Scrimbul | Sun 22-May-11 03:41 PM |
Member since 22nd Apr 2003
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#38133, "Wow. no,"
Edited on Sun 22-May-11 03:43 PM
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You cannot apply neuro when the victim is KO'd. You would never survive any fight with Flaaaayin if he did that with KO poison at it's current timers. You would get it applied and he would happily wait until you were both at least blind and unable to walk straight before ever waking you.
I'm going to just leave it at this for now, but neuro can only be applied by weapon and contact poison (and grenade, any poison can be applied by grenade but application rates from grenade are completely awful in all situations when grenade should be UPPING the success rate in a similar fashion to weapon nick), and unless you like griefing ghosts or have planted the appropriate item on an inattentive player beforehand, contact poison isn't really viable. You might be complaining about the fact that sometimes neuro gets applied during normal melee, but normal melee poison application rates are abysmal given how quickly you need to kill most people as a poisoner.
I've been through the ringamarole with this path three times. Twice full, one hybrid. I've been on both sides. Poisoners in isolation are underpowered. It's the traps that are making everything hell because the normal disadvantage of traps (opponent's free will, complete ignorance of or potential semi-awareness of their ocation) are gone when KO poison lasts so long you can trap both sides of a 2 exit room.
Poisoners by themselves are underpowered without imm given points because you are put in a situation where you are investing in the most expensive path of any thief path with few direct damage options to actually take advantage of it. Grenade is a horrible damage option when emetic poison application rates are as low as they are from it. It is, along with trapper, somewhat dependent on area knowledge and EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE to keep yourself viable.
Also if people would actually loot and sac his ingredient bag, it would take him potentially 1-2 RL hours to become semi-viable in combat again. No one does this when they do in fact manage to down him due to his own mistakes.
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Poisons and Traps
[View all] , Invoker (Anonymous), Sat 21-May-11 07:34 PM
Question,
Marcus_,
25-May-11 11:57 AM, #68
Agree. Thieves suck.,
waywicket,
23-May-11 04:07 PM, #58
Are you serious? Warbanner is the new thief.,
wikataw,
21-Jun-11 03:11 PM, #89
RE: Poisons and Traps,
Daevryn,
22-May-11 08:31 PM, #37
Basic question,
Valkenar,
22-May-11 08:59 PM, #39
RE: Basic question,
Daevryn,
22-May-11 09:50 PM, #41
Found the time to do this:,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-11 06:39 PM, #70
RE: Found the time to do this:,
N b M,
09-Jun-11 11:01 PM, #71
I think the durations will be MUCH too low now,
Poisoner (Anonymous),
09-Jun-11 11:27 PM, #72
10 vs 40 is to the advantage of the poisoner,
laxman,
10-Jun-11 05:32 AM, #73
He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough,
Poisoner (Anonymous),
10-Jun-11 08:27 AM, #75
RE: He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough,
Daevryn,
10-Jun-11 01:33 PM, #79
Wasn't trying to freak out,
Poisoner (Anonymous),
10-Jun-11 03:25 PM, #82
Let me help you.,
Newbie (Anonymous),
11-Jun-11 09:39 AM, #85
RE: Found the time to do this:,
Daevryn,
10-Jun-11 08:23 AM, #74
I agree with some of this, but not all,
Poisoner (Anonymous),
10-Jun-11 08:36 AM, #76
I'd even go a little further...,
Splntrd,
25-Jun-11 11:08 PM, #90
Yum. Programming puzzle + suggestion,
BaronMySoul (Anonymous),
10-Jun-11 10:53 PM, #84
He found the time because he is done playing Flaaaayin,
Tsunami,
10-Jun-11 01:06 PM, #77
This is how rumors get started!,
Daevryn,
10-Jun-11 01:25 PM, #78
Lol. nt,
Gothchicken (Anonymous),
11-Jun-11 09:41 AM, #86
Trying to avoid suspicion, but I found you out anyway.,
Tsunami,
12-Jun-11 12:36 PM, #88
If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be divorce...,
TMNS,
10-Jun-11 02:06 PM, #80
RE: If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be div...,
Daevryn,
10-Jun-11 02:29 PM, #81
Pfft, thats cause Zorszaul couldnt age die :P nt,
Gaplemo,
10-Jun-11 03:26 PM, #83
Zing nt,
wikataw,
11-Jun-11 09:42 AM, #87
RE: Basic question,
Doof,
23-May-11 11:39 AM, #52
Plague would like to have a word with you...,
Scrimbul,
23-May-11 01:55 PM, #54
How is that fun?,
Valkenar,
23-May-11 02:32 PM, #55
Because that's part of the strategy to the game.,
Malakhi,
23-May-11 04:03 PM, #57
I agree,
Valkenar,
23-May-11 07:06 PM, #59
I'd rather fight Zorsaul, Ahtielhi, your Silenttower/He...,
wikataw,
22-May-11 09:38 PM, #40
lets create the ghost rule,
laxman,
23-May-11 07:37 AM, #45
RE: Poisons and Traps,
HammerSong,
22-May-11 07:03 PM, #35
Preps are annoying to get,
Valkenar,
22-May-11 08:44 PM, #38
I'm 30, who's fourty? nt,
wikataw,
22-May-11 10:06 PM, #43
Don't assume it's pussification,
incognito,
23-May-11 02:54 AM, #44
RE: Don't assume it's pussification,
HammerSong,
23-May-11 08:13 PM, #61
So back to my point,
incognito,
24-May-11 04:52 PM, #63
I endorse the above post,
BaronMySoul (Anonymous),
23-May-11 08:18 AM, #46
Ravon had a skill that was changed ,
Oldril,
23-May-11 09:17 AM, #48
RE: Same with Yanacek,
Anon opinion (Anonymous),
23-May-11 10:58 AM, #51
Just because anything was changed doesn't mean it was O...,
BaronMySoul (Anonymous),
23-May-11 03:13 PM, #56
Yanacek abused the build,
incognito,
24-May-11 04:53 PM, #64
Overpowerdness,
Anliltuel (Anonymous),
23-May-11 10:25 AM, #49
Overpowered isn't the correct word.,
Anon opinion (Anonymous),
23-May-11 10:57 AM, #50
Me.,
Tesline,
24-May-11 10:01 PM, #67
Oh my god, you played DAoC too and raged at its pussifi...,
Batman (Anonymous),
23-May-11 08:02 PM, #60
Mostly Agree (long post),
Agree (Anonymous),
22-May-11 11:11 AM, #11
Don't forget the Watcher!,
Old guy (Anonymous),
22-May-11 10:11 AM, #8
RE: Poisons and Traps,
ORB,
22-May-11 09:06 AM, #7
Agreed,
The Heretic,
22-May-11 08:11 AM, #6
Fear poison should stay.,
Scrimbul,
22-May-11 12:55 PM, #24
The poisons are all just too easy to land,
Murphy,
22-May-11 03:14 AM, #4
Poisons aren't easy to land.,
Scrimbul,
22-May-11 12:34 PM, #20
Sorry Scrimbul,
incognito,
22-May-11 12:38 PM, #22
KO poison is reliable.,
Scrimbul,
22-May-11 12:48 PM, #23
You just don't know poisoners as well,
incognito,
22-May-11 02:07 PM, #26
Wow. no,,
Scrimbul,
22-May-11 03:43 PM #29
mind control can be done while KOd, this is often enoug...,
Artificial,
22-May-11 04:44 PM, #30
This is probably what I'm thinking of,
incognito,
22-May-11 04:47 PM, #31
yep, and it often reapplies the same tick it ends. nt,
Artificial,
22-May-11 10:00 PM, #42
Yeah. Neuro needs a tweak.,
Scrimbul,
22-May-11 04:51 PM, #33
There's another poisoner thief right now,
BaronMySoul (Anonymous),
23-May-11 08:31 AM, #47
My character has the tools to avoid dying to him,
incognito,
24-May-11 04:57 PM, #65
I had the same experience. nt,
Artificial,
24-May-11 05:01 PM, #66
To counter your argument,
BaronMySoul (Anonymous),
26-May-11 01:21 PM, #69
I have similiar issues,
incognito,
22-May-11 12:50 AM, #2
The grinning devil shield doesn't nullify ap's,
Shapa,
22-May-11 10:55 AM, #9
Suit yourself,
incognito,
22-May-11 11:10 AM, #10
Good reason being,
incognito,
22-May-11 11:13 AM, #12
The plan how to fight it doesn't really matter.,
Shapa,
22-May-11 11:54 AM, #15
Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the sph...,
Shapa,
22-May-11 11:16 AM, #13
Hahaha,
Valkenar,
22-May-11 11:56 AM, #16
Must be true.,
Shapa,
22-May-11 12:00 PM, #17
Huh,
incognito,
22-May-11 12:32 PM, #19
Well we simply do not agree on some things then it seem...,
Shapa,
22-May-11 01:54 PM, #25
I don't count Ravon,
incognito,
22-May-11 02:05 PM, #27
RE: Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the...,
Daevryn,
22-May-11 08:24 PM, #36
If that's true than Tony's an idiot.,
TMNS,
23-May-11 01:07 PM, #53
RE: If that's true than Tony's an idiot.,
Daevryn,
23-May-11 10:06 PM, #62
I tend to agree,
Valkenar,
21-May-11 11:53 PM, #1
RE: I tend to agree,
incognito,
22-May-11 12:55 AM, #3
Also...,
sezdral,
22-May-11 05:11 AM, #5
Lol. Yeah, dust is hard to fathom.,
lasentia,
22-May-11 12:07 PM, #18
Situational,
Valkenar,
22-May-11 11:19 AM, #14
I -think- you can tell when the forget kicks in,
incognito,
22-May-11 12:36 PM, #21
I dunno,
Valkenar,
22-May-11 02:06 PM, #28
Maybe I've been unlucky,
incognito,
22-May-11 04:48 PM, #32
You can see it (Someone clutches his head as his eyes g...,
Humbert,
22-May-11 05:49 PM, #34
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