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ScrimbulSun 22-May-11 03:41 PM
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#38133, "Wow. no,"
Edited on Sun 22-May-11 03:43 PM

  

          

You cannot apply neuro when the victim is KO'd. You would never survive any fight with Flaaaayin if he did that with KO poison at it's current timers. You would get it applied and he would happily wait until you were both at least blind and unable to walk straight before ever waking you.

I'm going to just leave it at this for now, but neuro can only be applied by weapon and contact poison (and grenade, any poison can be applied by grenade but application rates from grenade are completely awful in all situations when grenade should be UPPING the success rate in a similar fashion to weapon nick), and unless you like griefing ghosts or have planted the appropriate item on an inattentive player beforehand, contact poison isn't really viable. You might be complaining about the fact that sometimes neuro gets applied during normal melee, but normal melee poison application rates are abysmal given how quickly you need to kill most people as a poisoner.

I've been through the ringamarole with this path three times. Twice full, one hybrid. I've been on both sides. Poisoners in isolation are underpowered. It's the traps that are making everything hell because the normal disadvantage of traps (opponent's free will, complete ignorance of or potential semi-awareness of their ocation) are gone when KO poison lasts so long you can trap both sides of a 2 exit room.

Poisoners by themselves are underpowered without imm given points because you are put in a situation where you are investing in the most expensive path of any thief path with few direct damage options to actually take advantage of it. Grenade is a horrible damage option when emetic poison application rates are as low as they are from it. It is, along with trapper, somewhat dependent on area knowledge and EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE to keep yourself viable.

Also if people would actually loot and sac his ingredient bag, it would take him potentially 1-2 RL hours to become semi-viable in combat again. No one does this when they do in fact manage to down him due to his own mistakes.

  

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HOT TopicPoisons and Traps [View all] , Invoker (Anonymous), Sat 21-May-11 07:34 PM
Reply Question, Marcus_, 25-May-11 11:57 AM, #68
Reply Agree. Thieves suck., waywicket, 23-May-11 04:07 PM, #58
Reply Are you serious? Warbanner is the new thief., wikataw, 21-Jun-11 03:11 PM, #89
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, Daevryn, 22-May-11 08:31 PM, #37
Reply Basic question, Valkenar, 22-May-11 08:59 PM, #39
Reply RE: Basic question, Daevryn, 22-May-11 09:50 PM, #41
Reply Found the time to do this:, Daevryn, 09-Jun-11 06:39 PM, #70
     Reply RE: Found the time to do this:, N b M, 09-Jun-11 11:01 PM, #71
          Reply I think the durations will be MUCH too low now, Poisoner (Anonymous), 09-Jun-11 11:27 PM, #72
          Reply 10 vs 40 is to the advantage of the poisoner, laxman, 10-Jun-11 05:32 AM, #73
               Reply He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 08:27 AM, #75
                    Reply RE: He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 01:33 PM, #79
                         Reply Wasn't trying to freak out, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 03:25 PM, #82
                              Reply Let me help you., Newbie (Anonymous), 11-Jun-11 09:39 AM, #85
          Reply RE: Found the time to do this:, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 08:23 AM, #74
          Reply I agree with some of this, but not all, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 08:36 AM, #76
          Reply I'd even go a little further..., Splntrd, 25-Jun-11 11:08 PM, #90
          Reply Yum. Programming puzzle + suggestion, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 10:53 PM, #84
          Reply He found the time because he is done playing Flaaaayin, Tsunami, 10-Jun-11 01:06 PM, #77
               Reply This is how rumors get started!, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 01:25 PM, #78
               Reply Lol. nt, Gothchicken (Anonymous), 11-Jun-11 09:41 AM, #86
               Reply Trying to avoid suspicion, but I found you out anyway., Tsunami, 12-Jun-11 12:36 PM, #88
               Reply If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be divorce..., TMNS, 10-Jun-11 02:06 PM, #80
                    Reply RE: If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be div..., Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 02:29 PM, #81
                         Reply Pfft, thats cause Zorszaul couldnt age die :P nt, Gaplemo, 10-Jun-11 03:26 PM, #83
                              Reply Zing nt, wikataw, 11-Jun-11 09:42 AM, #87
Reply RE: Basic question, Doof, 23-May-11 11:39 AM, #52
     Reply Plague would like to have a word with you..., Scrimbul, 23-May-11 01:55 PM, #54
     Reply How is that fun?, Valkenar, 23-May-11 02:32 PM, #55
          Reply Because that's part of the strategy to the game., Malakhi, 23-May-11 04:03 PM, #57
               Reply I agree, Valkenar, 23-May-11 07:06 PM, #59
Reply I'd rather fight Zorsaul, Ahtielhi, your Silenttower/He..., wikataw, 22-May-11 09:38 PM, #40
Reply lets create the ghost rule, laxman, 23-May-11 07:37 AM, #45
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, HammerSong, 22-May-11 07:03 PM, #35
Reply Preps are annoying to get, Valkenar, 22-May-11 08:44 PM, #38
Reply I'm 30, who's fourty? nt, wikataw, 22-May-11 10:06 PM, #43
Reply Don't assume it's pussification, incognito, 23-May-11 02:54 AM, #44
Reply RE: Don't assume it's pussification, HammerSong, 23-May-11 08:13 PM, #61
     Reply So back to my point, incognito, 24-May-11 04:52 PM, #63
Reply I endorse the above post, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:18 AM, #46
Reply Ravon had a skill that was changed , Oldril, 23-May-11 09:17 AM, #48
     Reply RE: Same with Yanacek, Anon opinion (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:58 AM, #51
          Reply Just because anything was changed doesn't mean it was O..., BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 03:13 PM, #56
          Reply Yanacek abused the build, incognito, 24-May-11 04:53 PM, #64
Reply Overpowerdness, Anliltuel (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:25 AM, #49
Reply Overpowered isn't the correct word., Anon opinion (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:57 AM, #50
     Reply Me., Tesline, 24-May-11 10:01 PM, #67
Reply Oh my god, you played DAoC too and raged at its pussifi..., Batman (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:02 PM, #60
Reply Mostly Agree (long post), Agree (Anonymous), 22-May-11 11:11 AM, #11
Reply Don't forget the Watcher!, Old guy (Anonymous), 22-May-11 10:11 AM, #8
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, ORB, 22-May-11 09:06 AM, #7
Reply Agreed, The Heretic, 22-May-11 08:11 AM, #6
Reply Fear poison should stay., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:55 PM, #24
Reply The poisons are all just too easy to land, Murphy, 22-May-11 03:14 AM, #4
Reply Poisons aren't easy to land., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:34 PM, #20
Reply Sorry Scrimbul, incognito, 22-May-11 12:38 PM, #22
     Reply KO poison is reliable., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:48 PM, #23
          Reply You just don't know poisoners as well, incognito, 22-May-11 02:07 PM, #26
               Reply Wow. no,, Scrimbul, 22-May-11 03:43 PM #29
                    Reply mind control can be done while KOd, this is often enoug..., Artificial, 22-May-11 04:44 PM, #30
                         Reply This is probably what I'm thinking of, incognito, 22-May-11 04:47 PM, #31
                         Reply yep, and it often reapplies the same tick it ends. nt, Artificial, 22-May-11 10:00 PM, #42
                         Reply Yeah. Neuro needs a tweak., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 04:51 PM, #33
Reply There's another poisoner thief right now, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:31 AM, #47
     Reply My character has the tools to avoid dying to him, incognito, 24-May-11 04:57 PM, #65
          Reply I had the same experience. nt, Artificial, 24-May-11 05:01 PM, #66
          Reply To counter your argument, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 26-May-11 01:21 PM, #69
Reply I have similiar issues, incognito, 22-May-11 12:50 AM, #2
Reply The grinning devil shield doesn't nullify ap's, Shapa, 22-May-11 10:55 AM, #9
     Reply Suit yourself, incognito, 22-May-11 11:10 AM, #10
          Reply Good reason being, incognito, 22-May-11 11:13 AM, #12
          Reply The plan how to fight it doesn't really matter., Shapa, 22-May-11 11:54 AM, #15
          Reply Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the sph..., Shapa, 22-May-11 11:16 AM, #13
               Reply Hahaha, Valkenar, 22-May-11 11:56 AM, #16
               Reply Must be true., Shapa, 22-May-11 12:00 PM, #17
               Reply Huh, incognito, 22-May-11 12:32 PM, #19
               Reply Well we simply do not agree on some things then it seem..., Shapa, 22-May-11 01:54 PM, #25
                    Reply I don't count Ravon, incognito, 22-May-11 02:05 PM, #27
               Reply RE: Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the..., Daevryn, 22-May-11 08:24 PM, #36
               Reply If that's true than Tony's an idiot., TMNS, 23-May-11 01:07 PM, #53
                    Reply RE: If that's true than Tony's an idiot., Daevryn, 23-May-11 10:06 PM, #62
Reply I tend to agree, Valkenar, 21-May-11 11:53 PM, #1
     Reply RE: I tend to agree, incognito, 22-May-11 12:55 AM, #3
          Reply Also..., sezdral, 22-May-11 05:11 AM, #5
          Reply Lol. Yeah, dust is hard to fathom., lasentia, 22-May-11 12:07 PM, #18
          Reply Situational, Valkenar, 22-May-11 11:19 AM, #14
               Reply I -think- you can tell when the forget kicks in, incognito, 22-May-11 12:36 PM, #21
                    Reply I dunno, Valkenar, 22-May-11 02:06 PM, #28
                         Reply Maybe I've been unlucky, incognito, 22-May-11 04:48 PM, #32
                              Reply You can see it (Someone clutches his head as his eyes g..., Humbert, 22-May-11 05:49 PM, #34
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