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ValkenarSat 21-May-11 11:51 PM
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#38098, "I tend to agree"
Edited on Sat 21-May-11 11:53 PM

          

I don't think any single affect that cripples you and is nearly uncurable should last more than 30 ticks at the outside. 20 seems like plenty to me.

I've never played a poisoner/trapper nor am likely to ever play one, but I think that poison immunity is too strong against poisoners. My suggestions would to make poison immunity act like poison resistance against thief poisons, and only confer true immunity to poison damage and basic poison.

However, I don't think neurological poison needs to be nerfed in its effects. It is a very strong ability, but it's about on par with something like forget or deafen. It's a death sentence for non-melee classes if they can't get away, but mostly just causes people to flee/quaff. And it's not like poisoners really have a lot of power otherwise. Sure, when combined with stealing and long knockouts it's extra nasty, but a worn container with a potion in it will solve that problem. Unless you're also blinded, but at that point so what if it is a death sentence?

Just to throw out a wild idea, I'd like to see the poison path rebalanced (in terms of cost and effects) around not having to regather ingredients constantly. They should still be necessary, but have 10-20 charges per ingredient. The current grind/time-sink dynamic makes things fair balance-wise, it's just incredibly anti-fun. If the main thief paths were just thug, binder and city ties, and trappers and poisoners were nerfed to be expensive adjunct paths, that would be a better design it seems to me. I'm making a pretty big assumption that the current way traps/poisons work is that the ingredients are consumed every time. If that's already not true, well then ignore this (and maybe I'll try a poisoner sometime).

  

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HOT TopicPoisons and Traps [View all] , Invoker (Anonymous), Sat 21-May-11 07:34 PM
Reply Question, Marcus_, 25-May-11 11:57 AM, #68
Reply Agree. Thieves suck., waywicket, 23-May-11 04:07 PM, #58
Reply Are you serious? Warbanner is the new thief., wikataw, 21-Jun-11 03:11 PM, #89
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, Daevryn, 22-May-11 08:31 PM, #37
Reply Basic question, Valkenar, 22-May-11 08:59 PM, #39
Reply RE: Basic question, Daevryn, 22-May-11 09:50 PM, #41
Reply Found the time to do this:, Daevryn, 09-Jun-11 06:39 PM, #70
     Reply RE: Found the time to do this:, N b M, 09-Jun-11 11:01 PM, #71
          Reply I think the durations will be MUCH too low now, Poisoner (Anonymous), 09-Jun-11 11:27 PM, #72
          Reply 10 vs 40 is to the advantage of the poisoner, laxman, 10-Jun-11 05:32 AM, #73
               Reply He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 08:27 AM, #75
                    Reply RE: He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 01:33 PM, #79
                         Reply Wasn't trying to freak out, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 03:25 PM, #82
                              Reply Let me help you., Newbie (Anonymous), 11-Jun-11 09:39 AM, #85
          Reply RE: Found the time to do this:, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 08:23 AM, #74
          Reply I agree with some of this, but not all, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 08:36 AM, #76
          Reply I'd even go a little further..., Splntrd, 25-Jun-11 11:08 PM, #90
          Reply Yum. Programming puzzle + suggestion, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 10:53 PM, #84
          Reply He found the time because he is done playing Flaaaayin, Tsunami, 10-Jun-11 01:06 PM, #77
               Reply This is how rumors get started!, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 01:25 PM, #78
               Reply Lol. nt, Gothchicken (Anonymous), 11-Jun-11 09:41 AM, #86
               Reply Trying to avoid suspicion, but I found you out anyway., Tsunami, 12-Jun-11 12:36 PM, #88
               Reply If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be divorce..., TMNS, 10-Jun-11 02:06 PM, #80
                    Reply RE: If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be div..., Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 02:29 PM, #81
                         Reply Pfft, thats cause Zorszaul couldnt age die :P nt, Gaplemo, 10-Jun-11 03:26 PM, #83
                              Reply Zing nt, wikataw, 11-Jun-11 09:42 AM, #87
Reply RE: Basic question, Doof, 23-May-11 11:39 AM, #52
     Reply Plague would like to have a word with you..., Scrimbul, 23-May-11 01:55 PM, #54
     Reply How is that fun?, Valkenar, 23-May-11 02:32 PM, #55
          Reply Because that's part of the strategy to the game., Malakhi, 23-May-11 04:03 PM, #57
               Reply I agree, Valkenar, 23-May-11 07:06 PM, #59
Reply I'd rather fight Zorsaul, Ahtielhi, your Silenttower/He..., wikataw, 22-May-11 09:38 PM, #40
Reply lets create the ghost rule, laxman, 23-May-11 07:37 AM, #45
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, HammerSong, 22-May-11 07:03 PM, #35
Reply Preps are annoying to get, Valkenar, 22-May-11 08:44 PM, #38
Reply I'm 30, who's fourty? nt, wikataw, 22-May-11 10:06 PM, #43
Reply Don't assume it's pussification, incognito, 23-May-11 02:54 AM, #44
Reply RE: Don't assume it's pussification, HammerSong, 23-May-11 08:13 PM, #61
     Reply So back to my point, incognito, 24-May-11 04:52 PM, #63
Reply I endorse the above post, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:18 AM, #46
Reply Ravon had a skill that was changed , Oldril, 23-May-11 09:17 AM, #48
     Reply RE: Same with Yanacek, Anon opinion (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:58 AM, #51
          Reply Just because anything was changed doesn't mean it was O..., BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 03:13 PM, #56
          Reply Yanacek abused the build, incognito, 24-May-11 04:53 PM, #64
Reply Overpowerdness, Anliltuel (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:25 AM, #49
Reply Overpowered isn't the correct word., Anon opinion (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:57 AM, #50
     Reply Me., Tesline, 24-May-11 10:01 PM, #67
Reply Oh my god, you played DAoC too and raged at its pussifi..., Batman (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:02 PM, #60
Reply Mostly Agree (long post), Agree (Anonymous), 22-May-11 11:11 AM, #11
Reply Don't forget the Watcher!, Old guy (Anonymous), 22-May-11 10:11 AM, #8
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, ORB, 22-May-11 09:06 AM, #7
Reply Agreed, The Heretic, 22-May-11 08:11 AM, #6
Reply Fear poison should stay., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:55 PM, #24
Reply The poisons are all just too easy to land, Murphy, 22-May-11 03:14 AM, #4
Reply Poisons aren't easy to land., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:34 PM, #20
Reply Sorry Scrimbul, incognito, 22-May-11 12:38 PM, #22
     Reply KO poison is reliable., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:48 PM, #23
          Reply You just don't know poisoners as well, incognito, 22-May-11 02:07 PM, #26
               Reply Wow. no,, Scrimbul, 22-May-11 03:43 PM, #29
                    Reply mind control can be done while KOd, this is often enoug..., Artificial, 22-May-11 04:44 PM, #30
                         Reply This is probably what I'm thinking of, incognito, 22-May-11 04:47 PM, #31
                         Reply yep, and it often reapplies the same tick it ends. nt, Artificial, 22-May-11 10:00 PM, #42
                         Reply Yeah. Neuro needs a tweak., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 04:51 PM, #33
Reply There's another poisoner thief right now, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:31 AM, #47
     Reply My character has the tools to avoid dying to him, incognito, 24-May-11 04:57 PM, #65
          Reply I had the same experience. nt, Artificial, 24-May-11 05:01 PM, #66
          Reply To counter your argument, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 26-May-11 01:21 PM, #69
Reply I have similiar issues, incognito, 22-May-11 12:50 AM, #2
Reply The grinning devil shield doesn't nullify ap's, Shapa, 22-May-11 10:55 AM, #9
     Reply Suit yourself, incognito, 22-May-11 11:10 AM, #10
          Reply Good reason being, incognito, 22-May-11 11:13 AM, #12
          Reply The plan how to fight it doesn't really matter., Shapa, 22-May-11 11:54 AM, #15
          Reply Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the sph..., Shapa, 22-May-11 11:16 AM, #13
               Reply Hahaha, Valkenar, 22-May-11 11:56 AM, #16
               Reply Must be true., Shapa, 22-May-11 12:00 PM, #17
               Reply Huh, incognito, 22-May-11 12:32 PM, #19
               Reply Well we simply do not agree on some things then it seem..., Shapa, 22-May-11 01:54 PM, #25
                    Reply I don't count Ravon, incognito, 22-May-11 02:05 PM, #27
               Reply RE: Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the..., Daevryn, 22-May-11 08:24 PM, #36
               Reply If that's true than Tony's an idiot., TMNS, 23-May-11 01:07 PM, #53
                    Reply RE: If that's true than Tony's an idiot., Daevryn, 23-May-11 10:06 PM, #62
Reply I tend to agree, Valkenar, 21-May-11 11:53 PM #1
     Reply RE: I tend to agree, incognito, 22-May-11 12:55 AM, #3
          Reply Also..., sezdral, 22-May-11 05:11 AM, #5
          Reply Lol. Yeah, dust is hard to fathom., lasentia, 22-May-11 12:07 PM, #18
          Reply Situational, Valkenar, 22-May-11 11:19 AM, #14
               Reply I -think- you can tell when the forget kicks in, incognito, 22-May-11 12:36 PM, #21
                    Reply I dunno, Valkenar, 22-May-11 02:06 PM, #28
                         Reply Maybe I've been unlucky, incognito, 22-May-11 04:48 PM, #32
                              Reply You can see it (Someone clutches his head as his eyes g..., Humbert, 22-May-11 05:49 PM, #34
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