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ScrimbulSun 22-May-11 12:33 PM
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#38120, "Poisons aren't easy to land."
Edited on Sun 22-May-11 12:34 PM

  

          

I've played a poison thief but not a trapper.

You are dealing with a thief who has two full thief paths but little straight damage ability.

Poison path if anything by itself is underpowered, especially with how *long* it takes for neurological poison to apply it's best effects. You can die in melee in the time it takes for that to work or the target will get back into their cabal or into a town protected by tribunal.

Grenade poison application rates are also horrid, check all the logs where Flaaayin uses a grenade... typically he's tossing it and standing there with his thumb up his ass doing an AOE massacres, if that, and may or may not have wasted expensive ingredients creating the grenade. They also blow up in your face.

Fear poison is great for what it does and mind control poison is niche with the exception of the forget effect. But if you think you're going to land all your poisons on a target as a run of the mill poisoner, you're insane.

The problem with Flaaayin is his traps, not his poisons. And the trap problems were problems ever since the blue dragon lair went in with half-kobolds spamming stackable traps and the imms never paid attention either to the bitching of the groups navigating it or the boards. They stack and last too long, that's it. It's fine for them to do the debuffs they do but they either need to be weaker and keep their durations or stronger and have half the durations of their skill/melee counterparts. (speaking primarily of boneshatter/impale traps)

If you want to specifically #### up a poisoner's day without using explore area X monster blood, grab the Ancient Hide of the Green dragon or play a poison resistant race. The poisons will fail often enough for you to get your licks in.

  

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HOT TopicPoisons and Traps [View all] , Invoker (Anonymous), Sat 21-May-11 07:34 PM
Reply Question, Marcus_, 25-May-11 11:57 AM, #68
Reply Agree. Thieves suck., waywicket, 23-May-11 04:07 PM, #58
Reply Are you serious? Warbanner is the new thief., wikataw, 21-Jun-11 03:11 PM, #89
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, Daevryn, 22-May-11 08:31 PM, #37
Reply Basic question, Valkenar, 22-May-11 08:59 PM, #39
Reply RE: Basic question, Daevryn, 22-May-11 09:50 PM, #41
Reply Found the time to do this:, Daevryn, 09-Jun-11 06:39 PM, #70
     Reply RE: Found the time to do this:, N b M, 09-Jun-11 11:01 PM, #71
          Reply I think the durations will be MUCH too low now, Poisoner (Anonymous), 09-Jun-11 11:27 PM, #72
          Reply 10 vs 40 is to the advantage of the poisoner, laxman, 10-Jun-11 05:32 AM, #73
               Reply He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 08:27 AM, #75
                    Reply RE: He said 5-10. 5 ticks is NOT long enough, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 01:33 PM, #79
                         Reply Wasn't trying to freak out, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 03:25 PM, #82
                              Reply Let me help you., Newbie (Anonymous), 11-Jun-11 09:39 AM, #85
          Reply RE: Found the time to do this:, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 08:23 AM, #74
          Reply I agree with some of this, but not all, Poisoner (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 08:36 AM, #76
          Reply I'd even go a little further..., Splntrd, 25-Jun-11 11:08 PM, #90
          Reply Yum. Programming puzzle + suggestion, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 10-Jun-11 10:53 PM, #84
          Reply He found the time because he is done playing Flaaaayin, Tsunami, 10-Jun-11 01:06 PM, #77
               Reply This is how rumors get started!, Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 01:25 PM, #78
               Reply Lol. nt, Gothchicken (Anonymous), 11-Jun-11 09:41 AM, #86
               Reply Trying to avoid suspicion, but I found you out anyway., Tsunami, 12-Jun-11 12:36 PM, #88
               Reply If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be divorce..., TMNS, 10-Jun-11 02:06 PM, #80
                    Reply RE: If he played Flaaayin, he should be probably be div..., Daevryn, 10-Jun-11 02:29 PM, #81
                         Reply Pfft, thats cause Zorszaul couldnt age die :P nt, Gaplemo, 10-Jun-11 03:26 PM, #83
                              Reply Zing nt, wikataw, 11-Jun-11 09:42 AM, #87
Reply RE: Basic question, Doof, 23-May-11 11:39 AM, #52
     Reply Plague would like to have a word with you..., Scrimbul, 23-May-11 01:55 PM, #54
     Reply How is that fun?, Valkenar, 23-May-11 02:32 PM, #55
          Reply Because that's part of the strategy to the game., Malakhi, 23-May-11 04:03 PM, #57
               Reply I agree, Valkenar, 23-May-11 07:06 PM, #59
Reply I'd rather fight Zorsaul, Ahtielhi, your Silenttower/He..., wikataw, 22-May-11 09:38 PM, #40
Reply lets create the ghost rule, laxman, 23-May-11 07:37 AM, #45
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, HammerSong, 22-May-11 07:03 PM, #35
Reply Preps are annoying to get, Valkenar, 22-May-11 08:44 PM, #38
Reply I'm 30, who's fourty? nt, wikataw, 22-May-11 10:06 PM, #43
Reply Don't assume it's pussification, incognito, 23-May-11 02:54 AM, #44
Reply RE: Don't assume it's pussification, HammerSong, 23-May-11 08:13 PM, #61
     Reply So back to my point, incognito, 24-May-11 04:52 PM, #63
Reply I endorse the above post, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:18 AM, #46
Reply Ravon had a skill that was changed , Oldril, 23-May-11 09:17 AM, #48
     Reply RE: Same with Yanacek, Anon opinion (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:58 AM, #51
          Reply Just because anything was changed doesn't mean it was O..., BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 03:13 PM, #56
          Reply Yanacek abused the build, incognito, 24-May-11 04:53 PM, #64
Reply Overpowerdness, Anliltuel (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:25 AM, #49
Reply Overpowered isn't the correct word., Anon opinion (Anonymous), 23-May-11 10:57 AM, #50
     Reply Me., Tesline, 24-May-11 10:01 PM, #67
Reply Oh my god, you played DAoC too and raged at its pussifi..., Batman (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:02 PM, #60
Reply Mostly Agree (long post), Agree (Anonymous), 22-May-11 11:11 AM, #11
Reply Don't forget the Watcher!, Old guy (Anonymous), 22-May-11 10:11 AM, #8
Reply RE: Poisons and Traps, ORB, 22-May-11 09:06 AM, #7
Reply Agreed, The Heretic, 22-May-11 08:11 AM, #6
Reply Fear poison should stay., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:55 PM, #24
Reply The poisons are all just too easy to land, Murphy, 22-May-11 03:14 AM, #4
Reply Poisons aren't easy to land., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:34 PM #20
Reply Sorry Scrimbul, incognito, 22-May-11 12:38 PM, #22
     Reply KO poison is reliable., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 12:48 PM, #23
          Reply You just don't know poisoners as well, incognito, 22-May-11 02:07 PM, #26
               Reply Wow. no,, Scrimbul, 22-May-11 03:43 PM, #29
                    Reply mind control can be done while KOd, this is often enoug..., Artificial, 22-May-11 04:44 PM, #30
                         Reply This is probably what I'm thinking of, incognito, 22-May-11 04:47 PM, #31
                         Reply yep, and it often reapplies the same tick it ends. nt, Artificial, 22-May-11 10:00 PM, #42
                         Reply Yeah. Neuro needs a tweak., Scrimbul, 22-May-11 04:51 PM, #33
Reply There's another poisoner thief right now, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 23-May-11 08:31 AM, #47
     Reply My character has the tools to avoid dying to him, incognito, 24-May-11 04:57 PM, #65
          Reply I had the same experience. nt, Artificial, 24-May-11 05:01 PM, #66
          Reply To counter your argument, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 26-May-11 01:21 PM, #69
Reply I have similiar issues, incognito, 22-May-11 12:50 AM, #2
Reply The grinning devil shield doesn't nullify ap's, Shapa, 22-May-11 10:55 AM, #9
     Reply Suit yourself, incognito, 22-May-11 11:10 AM, #10
          Reply Good reason being, incognito, 22-May-11 11:13 AM, #12
          Reply The plan how to fight it doesn't really matter., Shapa, 22-May-11 11:54 AM, #15
          Reply Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the sph..., Shapa, 22-May-11 11:16 AM, #13
               Reply Hahaha, Valkenar, 22-May-11 11:56 AM, #16
               Reply Must be true., Shapa, 22-May-11 12:00 PM, #17
               Reply Huh, incognito, 22-May-11 12:32 PM, #19
               Reply Well we simply do not agree on some things then it seem..., Shapa, 22-May-11 01:54 PM, #25
                    Reply I don't count Ravon, incognito, 22-May-11 02:05 PM, #27
               Reply RE: Who were these brave anti-paladins followers of the..., Daevryn, 22-May-11 08:24 PM, #36
               Reply If that's true than Tony's an idiot., TMNS, 23-May-11 01:07 PM, #53
                    Reply RE: If that's true than Tony's an idiot., Daevryn, 23-May-11 10:06 PM, #62
Reply I tend to agree, Valkenar, 21-May-11 11:53 PM, #1
     Reply RE: I tend to agree, incognito, 22-May-11 12:55 AM, #3
          Reply Also..., sezdral, 22-May-11 05:11 AM, #5
          Reply Lol. Yeah, dust is hard to fathom., lasentia, 22-May-11 12:07 PM, #18
          Reply Situational, Valkenar, 22-May-11 11:19 AM, #14
               Reply I -think- you can tell when the forget kicks in, incognito, 22-May-11 12:36 PM, #21
                    Reply I dunno, Valkenar, 22-May-11 02:06 PM, #28
                         Reply Maybe I've been unlucky, incognito, 22-May-11 04:48 PM, #32
                              Reply You can see it (Someone clutches his head as his eyes g..., Humbert, 22-May-11 05:49 PM, #34
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