>>More invokers cons that didn't get a lot of air time in this
>>thread(*):
>>
>>- You can never cover all the ways someone can lag you. If
>>an invoker can't reliably cast, they're the worst class in
>>the game, possibly excepting transmuters.
>
Yes, but I don't think this really can be called a con, since you can protect from lagging attacks no other class can protect from. Yes, you can't cover every lagging attack, but this is true of every class except paladins with a specific virtue... so is this really a big con?

Yes. Undeniably. The reason for this is because if you lag an invoker, they can't do much of anything. They have one decent physical attack per round, and parry. Whee. While an assassin might not have many ways to stop you from lagging him, he's in very good shape even if lagged. Heck, in a lot of fights, that assassin is probably very happy if you're expending all your energy tripping him.

Invokers are the most vulnerable class when lagged, so they have a lot of customization to allow them to plan for it if you let them have that preparation and make the choices. Everyone in this thread keeps assuming the invoker is fighting total morons who stand in a field and wait for the invoker to come.

>>- Concealment limited to Improved Invis and Dig.
>>Mobility/pursuit limited to Teleport/Word. It's not hard to
>>avoid or surprise an invoker, relative to most other
>>classes.

This puts them in the mid-range of concealment/mobility for classes.

Huh? I can choose whether or not I want to fight an invoker 90% of the time. This is also true of warriors (though I can't disengage from a warrior nearly as easily). Other classes either have ways to sneak up on me (hide, duo, camo, summon, flyto, etc.), pursue me (gate, tess, clairvoy/aud, flyto, etc.), cut off my escape routes (curse, energy drain, movement drains, etc.), incapacitate me (cold be sleep, sleep, blackjack, etc.) etc. Invokers can't reliably do those things well. Room traps are helpful here, but they have a long list of their own drawbacks, notably setup time and high mana cost.

>I honestly don't believe that invokers are sickly
>overpowered or anything like that... but they are powerful,
>and your list of cons seemed to be reaching, to me. If I
>were looking for every possible flaw, I could probably find
>more for every other class with the possible exception of
>liches.

The bottom line on invokers remains that no one is cleaning house with them. Dakizar kills a fair number of people (and loses sometimes), but Force Duel is a strong complement to the invoker class, and it's a very rare ability- not something we plan to downgrade the whole class over. If invokers are overpowered, where are they?

If you can't answer that last question, check your assumptions.

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