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TwistWed 25-May-11 09:26 AM
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#99551, "From many perspectives..."


          

I saw you from many perspectives, all of them enemies. I didn't like you. I didn't like seeing you on "who pk". I didn't like being unable to finish you off. I didn't like a lot of things.

Well done. None of my characters should have liked you.

I truly believe that most all of those who have posted some vitriol toward you follow this pattern: If whatever they are playing now (be it shapeshifter, paladin, whatever) was given a quest skill that allowed them to make all devices that allow magical transport on an enemy suddenly disappear, they would use it all the time.

Twist waves a hand at you and all of your potions evaporate! Even those within your containers!

Yeah I'd use that 100 times out of 100 in pk if I could, I'm thinking.

And yeah, maybe you didn't have to sacrifice the containers, you could've done get all.potion girdle, drop all.potion, and so forth...but that's not your problem, now, is it?

And as for losing all those valuable items...this is a roleplaying game. Flaaayin the character wouldn't give a crap about that. Ragers carry a bag full of spare loincloths, meat, and beer, dammit!

So yeah as much as I didn't like seeing you online...I also didn't like seeing Ahtieli online as an enemy of hers. Or Ravon. Most any potent character that is an enemy, I'd rather not see log on. Give me those nice soft level 42 elf paladins as Hunsobo, please.

So in all I wouldn't worry too much about the vitriol for all that.


All of the above said, I do have a bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism/commentary.

I've been thinking for a while now, as I watched you approach age death..."I really wish I felt like this guy was pillar-worthy, but I just don't. Maybe if he weren't ever Drillmaster, I would. If he was just a well-known and feared rager that wasn't ever in a leadership position? Maybe just an Elder or something? Yeah, I could see him on the Pillar for that."

You talk about how many guys you booted in your post and I'm not sure if you're just remembering wrong or what, but your numbers are grossly inflated. Grepping the logs I see you uninducted precisely three: Karkarrak (we'll talk about that later), Phoalex (who got back in) and Marg.

You wrote a few notes to Immortal (and likely some directly to Thror) about removing some guys too, but those were always about how those guys weren't "committed to the war" (i.e. these bastids are probably playing their alts. Screw'm). While I definitely applaud that, it isn't exactly "putting the hammer down on cowardly behavior in the Village."

And that's really the bottom line, isn't it? Flaaayin was a great rager. Courageous? Maybe, sometimes. But you don't age die a character without him looking like a coward quite frequently. Don't get me wrong. Cowardly play as a thief is smart play. I did it with Faolai. But it doesn't shine on you as pillar material, IMO. I know you took on some groups, and took down some big names. I know you entered some combat situations where a true coward would have just walked away. But so do a lot of ragers. You certainly didn't stand out among other ragers when it comes to Courage.

Back to Karkarrak for a minute. He was of course quite upset at being uninducted, and I didn't like having to force your hand, but a lot of us upstairs had gotten really tired of the blatant ganging coming from the Village over the course of about a week, week and a half. It so happened to be going down during a time when Thror was on vacation. So when we talk about how many you uninducted, yeah you pulled the trigger on him, but sorta only because I busted on you as "the spirit of a former drillmaster" for the overall crappiness of the Village and he was the next one to screw up.

It is hard being a Drillmaster (and/or Commander) because you have so many morons who just want you to boot people left and right. But that's part of the deal. As a hiding class, and one who many saw as a "griefer", you probably didn't get even a third of the complaining that a lot of DMs do. And, hell, maybe that made it harder in the long run for you to know the #### your men were doing. When a complaint like that comes from a foe that you kinda have a lot of respect for, for instance, you can at least kinda be like "Ok I definitely need to keep an eye on that rager." Then you can bust on him right away when/if he DOES screw up right in front of you. As a hiding class, it should have been a lot easier for you to witness a lack of pride and courage in your men.


Wow, I've rambled long enough. The TL/DR version? Great rager, IMO, but sub-par Drillmaster. Good luck with your next.

  

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HOT Locked Topic(AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated by De... [View all] , Death_Angel, Sun 05-Jun-11 10:04 AM
Reply Very well done, Mharlndarn (Anonymous), 26-May-11 02:42 PM, #117
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., HammerSong, 26-May-11 11:21 PM, #107
Reply There are instances when sportsmanship clearly contradi..., Shapa, 27-May-11 06:05 AM, #109
Reply RE: There are instances when sportsmanship clearly cont..., HammerSong, 27-May-11 07:58 AM, #110
     Reply One more example of that deception based roleplay., Shapa, 27-May-11 10:25 AM, #111
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Stunna, 27-May-11 11:48 AM, #112
Reply Therans rejoice!, Chulun (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:34 PM, #93
Reply I really like the player of Flaaayin, Tsunami, 25-May-11 02:41 PM, #79
Reply A caveat, MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 04:09 PM, #83
     Reply RE: A caveat, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 04:35 PM, #84
          Reply I suck at not posting I guess., Artificial, 25-May-11 04:59 PM, #85
          Reply I apologize then., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 05:05 PM, #86
               Reply Sorry, Nevaelle (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:07 PM, #91
                    Reply FEH!, Norington (Anonymous), 26-May-11 07:23 AM, #97
          Reply Yeah, I don't pretend to know the answer myself, MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 05:15 PM, #87
          Reply For what it's worth, Keller (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:14 PM, #88
          Reply This post made me laugh., Allysia (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:27 PM, #92
          Reply RE: A caveat, HammerSong, 28-May-11 09:20 AM, #113
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Aliathius (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:52 AM, #32
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Drasdan (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:50 AM, #27
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:24 AM, #38
Reply Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 24-May-11 11:26 PM, #17
Reply You were awesome., Tac, 24-May-11 11:48 PM, #18
Reply great spin, Artificial, 24-May-11 11:49 PM, #19
Reply We get it., Anliltuel (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:35 AM, #26
Reply Hes got another 20+ crying at Dios about Flaaayin too, Oldril, 25-May-11 08:32 AM, #35
     Reply Last one, no vitriol, Artificial, 25-May-11 12:34 PM, #69
     Reply Every class can maledict, Oldril, 25-May-11 12:36 PM, #70
          Reply Not for the role I was playing. nt, Artificial, 25-May-11 12:39 PM, #71
               Reply Fair enough, Oldril, 25-May-11 01:15 PM, #74
                    Reply I can agree with that.nt, Artificial, 25-May-11 01:18 PM, #75
     Reply Whether or not I agree with you, I think you have the w..., Batman (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:45 PM, #89
Reply RE: great spin, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:25 AM, #39
     Reply RE: great spin, ORB, 25-May-11 02:04 PM, #78
     Reply He's right about the post, though., DurNominator, 26-May-11 01:32 PM, #103
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Borkahd, 25-May-11 12:03 AM, #20
Reply Respect., Hralpelk (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:05 AM, #21
Reply RE: Respect., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:33 AM, #42
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Rhone (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:32 AM, #22
Reply Hah! According to this you think I'm a skilled player! ..., Sarto (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:39 AM, #23
Reply RE: Hah! According to this you think I'm a skilled play..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:35 AM, #43
Reply Man, did I hate you with passion!, Murphy, 25-May-11 02:28 AM, #24
Reply Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few things, Abernyte, 25-May-11 03:36 AM, #25
Reply RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:31 AM, #41
     Reply As I said, I have no hate for you or the character, Abernyte, 26-May-11 03:25 AM, #96
     Reply RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..., Graatch, 26-May-11 11:26 AM, #98
          Reply This attitude is why the village gets owned, Oldril, 26-May-11 11:39 AM, #99
          Reply May be so, but thems the rules, Tsunami, 26-May-11 12:05 PM, #100
          Reply Villagers own people all the time., lasentia, 26-May-11 01:03 PM, #102
          Reply RE: This attitude is why the village gets owned, Graatch, 26-May-11 07:01 PM, #105
          Reply RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..., Isildur, 26-May-11 12:59 PM, #101
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Bajula, 25-May-11 07:19 AM, #28
Reply Wow, Zeikal, 04-Jun-11 02:05 PM, #114
     Reply RE: Wow, Bajula, 05-Jun-11 05:21 AM, #115
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Kariya (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:26 AM, #29
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:37 AM, #44
     Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Kariya (Anonymous), 25-May-11 11:18 AM, #58
Reply Good spin but..., ORB, 25-May-11 07:39 AM, #30
Reply RE: Good spin but..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:44 AM, #45
Reply sad to see the one of the only 2 villagers worthy of a ..., Smoberti (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:47 AM, #31
Reply RE: sad to see the one of the only 2 villagers worthy o..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:53 AM, #46
Reply No big hate, Nevaelle (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:58 AM, #33
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 25-May-11 08:14 AM, #34
Reply You will be greatly missed Drillmaster., Olum (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:20 AM, #36
Reply It's always fun having characters like this around..., Nnaeshuk, 25-May-11 09:20 AM, #37
Reply From many perspectives..., Twist, 25-May-11 09:26 AM #40
Reply RE: From many perspectives..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:14 AM, #47
Reply Yeah I should quantify..., Twist, 25-May-11 10:49 AM, #54
     Reply One more thing :), TMNS, 25-May-11 11:33 AM, #60
     Reply RE: Yeah I should quantify..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 11:58 AM, #63
          Reply Oh and one other thing to keep in mind..., Twist, 25-May-11 12:13 PM, #68
Reply I agree with most of this. Just one thing..., TMNS, 25-May-11 10:33 AM, #51
Reply Roleplaying vs Sportsmanship, Nevaelle (Anonymous), 25-May-11 02:01 PM, #77
Reply No. You need to grow up, Bavorlian (Anonymous), 25-May-11 03:46 PM, #81
     Reply Not always, exactly for the reason you mentioned yourse..., MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 03:58 PM, #82
Reply As an aged-deathed drillmaster on the pillar, Hyshrawr (Anonymous), 27-May-11 03:31 AM, #108
Reply For Flaaayin. My favorite moment of us., TMNS, 25-May-11 10:22 AM, #49
Reply And right after that..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:10 PM, #66
     Reply Yeah it was like 250 gold lol., TMNS, 26-May-11 10:04 PM, #106
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Volker (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:45 AM, #52
Reply Think he may have been talking about Volkov!, TMNS, 25-May-11 11:36 AM, #62
Reply Great Character, Hopelessdwarf, 25-May-11 10:45 AM, #53
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Sivyh (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:57 AM, #55
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:06 PM, #64
     Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Aelozzosot (Anonymous), 25-May-11 01:28 PM, #76
Reply You sure could fubar groups and individuals., Quixotic, 25-May-11 10:59 AM, #56
Reply See under Sivyh post above n/t, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:06 PM, #65
Reply Don't mind the haters. Good char. nt, Marcus_, 25-May-11 11:30 AM, #59
Reply Still, that's exactly what I thought about the characte..., MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 11:41 AM, #61
Reply Awesome, Sikkak (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:40 PM, #72
Reply RE: Awesome, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:57 PM, #73
Reply My most deadly enemy, Bavorlian (Anonymous), 25-May-11 03:19 PM, #80
Reply I found you incredibly frustrating, Oringus (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:20 PM, #90
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Gryshilniar, 26-May-11 12:22 AM, #94
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Ghurn (Anonymous), 26-May-11 01:33 AM, #95
Reply I actually liked Flaaayin..., Irelia, 26-May-11 06:14 PM, #104
Reply Great char!, Oldril, 24-May-11 09:29 PM, #15
Reply NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!, Tesline, 24-May-11 09:17 PM, #14
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Zun (Anonymous), 24-May-11 08:49 PM, #13
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Volker (Anonymous), 24-May-11 08:47 PM, #12
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Murphy, 24-May-11 09:35 PM, #67
Reply I gotta be honest, it was a pain, but, Sarto (Anonymous), 24-May-11 08:46 PM, #11
Reply Flaaayin was the worst character I ever interacted with..., ibuki, 24-May-11 07:44 PM, #8
Reply RE: Flaaayin was the worst character I ever interacted ..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:18 AM, #48
Reply Whew, about time., Aelozzosot (Anonymous), 24-May-11 07:41 PM, #7
Reply I always said time was the only thing that would kill y..., Allysia (Anonymous), 24-May-11 07:37 PM, #6
Reply RE: I always said time was the only thing that would ki..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:27 AM, #50
     Reply RE: I always said time was the only thing that would ki..., Allysia (Anonymous), 25-May-11 11:15 AM, #57
Reply It was an honor playing alongside you., Homard, 24-May-11 07:35 PM, #5
Reply "feared" is sort of an awkward word to use., Artificial, 24-May-11 08:04 PM, #9
     Reply Ok that made me laugh...n/t, Lightmage, 24-May-11 08:13 PM, #10
     Reply Nice analogy. nt, Stunna, 24-May-11 11:03 PM, #16
     Reply Dude, you fear the racoon and his leet squirrel friends..., wikataw, 05-Jun-11 09:24 AM, #116
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Zorg (Anonymous), 24-May-11 06:05 PM, #3
Reply Rantings of a mage, witness (Anonymous), 24-May-11 06:31 PM, #4
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Woe be Battle n/t (Anonymous), 24-May-11 05:28 PM, #2
Reply Just a superb job., TMNS, 24-May-11 05:22 PM, #1
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