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Death_AngelSun 05-Jun-11 10:04 AM
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#99493, "(AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated by Death, Drillmaster of Battle, Spymaster of Blackclaw"


          

Tue May 24 17:15:35 2011

At 4 o'clock PM, Day of the Moon, 7th of the Month of Futility
on the Theran calendar Flaaayin perished, never to return.

Race:arial
Class:thief
Level:51
Alignment:Evil
Ethos:Chaotic
Cabal:BATTLE, the BattleRagers, Haters of Magic
Age:57
Hours:620

  

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Reply Very well done, Mharlndarn (Anonymous), 26-May-11 02:42 PM, #117
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., HammerSong, 26-May-11 11:21 PM, #107
Reply There are instances when sportsmanship clearly contradi..., Shapa, 27-May-11 06:05 AM, #109
Reply RE: There are instances when sportsmanship clearly cont..., HammerSong, 27-May-11 07:58 AM, #110
     Reply One more example of that deception based roleplay., Shapa, 27-May-11 10:25 AM, #111
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Stunna, 27-May-11 11:48 AM, #112
Reply Therans rejoice!, Chulun (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:34 PM, #93
Reply I really like the player of Flaaayin, Tsunami, 25-May-11 02:41 PM, #79
Reply A caveat, MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 04:09 PM, #83
     Reply RE: A caveat, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 04:35 PM, #84
          Reply I suck at not posting I guess., Artificial, 25-May-11 04:59 PM, #85
          Reply I apologize then., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 05:05 PM, #86
               Reply Sorry, Nevaelle (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:07 PM, #91
                    Reply FEH!, Norington (Anonymous), 26-May-11 07:23 AM, #97
          Reply Yeah, I don't pretend to know the answer myself, MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 05:15 PM, #87
          Reply For what it's worth, Keller (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:14 PM, #88
          Reply This post made me laugh., Allysia (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:27 PM, #92
          Reply RE: A caveat, HammerSong, 28-May-11 09:20 AM, #113
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Aliathius (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:52 AM, #32
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Drasdan (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:50 AM, #27
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:24 AM, #38
Reply Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 24-May-11 11:26 PM, #17
Reply You were awesome., Tac, 24-May-11 11:48 PM, #18
Reply great spin, Artificial, 24-May-11 11:49 PM, #19
Reply We get it., Anliltuel (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:35 AM, #26
Reply Hes got another 20+ crying at Dios about Flaaayin too, Oldril, 25-May-11 08:32 AM, #35
     Reply Last one, no vitriol, Artificial, 25-May-11 12:34 PM, #69
     Reply Every class can maledict, Oldril, 25-May-11 12:36 PM, #70
          Reply Not for the role I was playing. nt, Artificial, 25-May-11 12:39 PM, #71
               Reply Fair enough, Oldril, 25-May-11 01:15 PM, #74
                    Reply I can agree with that.nt, Artificial, 25-May-11 01:18 PM, #75
     Reply Whether or not I agree with you, I think you have the w..., Batman (Anonymous), 25-May-11 06:45 PM, #89
Reply RE: great spin, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:25 AM, #39
     Reply RE: great spin, ORB, 25-May-11 02:04 PM, #78
     Reply He's right about the post, though., DurNominator, 26-May-11 01:32 PM, #103
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Borkahd, 25-May-11 12:03 AM, #20
Reply Respect., Hralpelk (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:05 AM, #21
Reply RE: Respect., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:33 AM, #42
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Rhone (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:32 AM, #22
Reply Hah! According to this you think I'm a skilled player! ..., Sarto (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:39 AM, #23
Reply RE: Hah! According to this you think I'm a skilled play..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:35 AM, #43
Reply Man, did I hate you with passion!, Murphy, 25-May-11 02:28 AM, #24
Reply Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few things, Abernyte, 25-May-11 03:36 AM, #25
Reply RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:31 AM, #41
     Reply As I said, I have no hate for you or the character, Abernyte, 26-May-11 03:25 AM, #96
     Reply RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..., Graatch, 26-May-11 11:26 AM, #98
          Reply This attitude is why the village gets owned, Oldril, 26-May-11 11:39 AM, #99
          Reply May be so, but thems the rules, Tsunami, 26-May-11 12:05 PM, #100
          Reply Villagers own people all the time., lasentia, 26-May-11 01:03 PM, #102
          Reply RE: This attitude is why the village gets owned, Graatch, 26-May-11 07:01 PM, #105
          Reply RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..., Isildur, 26-May-11 12:59 PM, #101
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Bajula, 25-May-11 07:19 AM, #28
Reply Wow, Zeikal, 04-Jun-11 02:05 PM, #114
     Reply RE: Wow, Bajula, 05-Jun-11 05:21 AM, #115
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Kariya (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:26 AM, #29
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:37 AM, #44
     Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Kariya (Anonymous), 25-May-11 11:18 AM, #58
Reply Good spin but..., ORB, 25-May-11 07:39 AM, #30
Reply RE: Good spin but..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:44 AM, #45
Reply sad to see the one of the only 2 villagers worthy of a ..., Smoberti (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:47 AM, #31
Reply RE: sad to see the one of the only 2 villagers worthy o..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:53 AM, #46
Reply No big hate, Nevaelle (Anonymous), 25-May-11 07:58 AM, #33
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 25-May-11 08:14 AM, #34
Reply You will be greatly missed Drillmaster., Olum (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:20 AM, #36
Reply It's always fun having characters like this around..., Nnaeshuk, 25-May-11 09:20 AM, #37
Reply From many perspectives..., Twist, 25-May-11 09:26 AM, #40
Reply RE: From many perspectives..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:14 AM, #47
Reply Yeah I should quantify..., Twist, 25-May-11 10:49 AM, #54
     Reply One more thing :), TMNS, 25-May-11 11:33 AM, #60
     Reply RE: Yeah I should quantify..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 11:58 AM, #63
          Reply Oh and one other thing to keep in mind..., Twist, 25-May-11 12:13 PM, #68
Reply I agree with most of this. Just one thing..., TMNS, 25-May-11 10:33 AM, #51
Reply Roleplaying vs Sportsmanship, Nevaelle (Anonymous), 25-May-11 02:01 PM, #77
Reply No. You need to grow up, Bavorlian (Anonymous), 25-May-11 03:46 PM, #81
     Reply Not always, exactly for the reason you mentioned yourse..., MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 03:58 PM, #82
Reply As an aged-deathed drillmaster on the pillar, Hyshrawr (Anonymous), 27-May-11 03:31 AM, #108
Reply For Flaaayin. My favorite moment of us., TMNS, 25-May-11 10:22 AM, #49
Reply And right after that..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:10 PM, #66
     Reply Yeah it was like 250 gold lol., TMNS, 26-May-11 10:04 PM, #106
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Volker (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:45 AM, #52
Reply Think he may have been talking about Volkov!, TMNS, 25-May-11 11:36 AM, #62
Reply Great Character, Hopelessdwarf, 25-May-11 10:45 AM, #53
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Sivyh (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:57 AM, #55
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:06 PM, #64
     Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Aelozzosot (Anonymous), 25-May-11 01:28 PM, #76
Reply You sure could fubar groups and individuals., Quixotic, 25-May-11 10:59 AM, #56
Reply See under Sivyh post above n/t, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:06 PM, #65
Reply Don't mind the haters. Good char. nt, Marcus_, 25-May-11 11:30 AM, #59
Reply Still, that's exactly what I thought about the characte..., MoetEtChandon, 25-May-11 11:41 AM, #61
Reply Awesome, Sikkak (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:40 PM, #72
Reply RE: Awesome, Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 12:57 PM, #73
Reply My most deadly enemy, Bavorlian (Anonymous), 25-May-11 03:19 PM, #80
Reply I found you incredibly frustrating, Oringus (Anonymous), 25-May-11 09:20 PM, #90
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Gryshilniar, 26-May-11 12:22 AM, #94
Reply RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..., Ghurn (Anonymous), 26-May-11 01:33 AM, #95
Reply I actually liked Flaaayin..., Irelia, 26-May-11 06:14 PM, #104
Reply Great char!, Oldril, 24-May-11 09:29 PM, #15
Reply NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!, Tesline, 24-May-11 09:17 PM, #14
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Zun (Anonymous), 24-May-11 08:49 PM, #13
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Volker (Anonymous), 24-May-11 08:47 PM, #12
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Murphy, 24-May-11 09:35 PM, #67
Reply I gotta be honest, it was a pain, but, Sarto (Anonymous), 24-May-11 08:46 PM, #11
Reply Flaaayin was the worst character I ever interacted with..., ibuki, 24-May-11 07:44 PM, #8
Reply RE: Flaaayin was the worst character I ever interacted ..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:18 AM, #48
Reply Whew, about time., Aelozzosot (Anonymous), 24-May-11 07:41 PM, #7
Reply I always said time was the only thing that would kill y..., Allysia (Anonymous), 24-May-11 07:37 PM, #6
Reply RE: I always said time was the only thing that would ki..., Flaaayin (Anonymous), 25-May-11 10:27 AM, #50
     Reply RE: I always said time was the only thing that would ki..., Allysia (Anonymous), 25-May-11 11:15 AM, #57
Reply It was an honor playing alongside you., Homard, 24-May-11 07:35 PM, #5
Reply "feared" is sort of an awkward word to use., Artificial, 24-May-11 08:04 PM, #9
     Reply Ok that made me laugh...n/t, Lightmage, 24-May-11 08:13 PM, #10
     Reply Nice analogy. nt, Stunna, 24-May-11 11:03 PM, #16
     Reply Dude, you fear the racoon and his leet squirrel friends..., wikataw, 05-Jun-11 09:24 AM, #116
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Zorg (Anonymous), 24-May-11 06:05 PM, #3
Reply Rantings of a mage, witness (Anonymous), 24-May-11 06:31 PM, #4
Reply RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..., Woe be Battle n/t (Anonymous), 24-May-11 05:28 PM, #2
Reply Just a superb job., TMNS, 24-May-11 05:22 PM, #1

Mharlndarn (Anonymous)Sun 05-Jun-11 10:04 AM
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#99626, "Very well done"
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Edited on Thu 26-May-11 02:42 PM

          

Classy all around. Your death was the highlight of my char as well

And my death, yea, 12 hours session is bad . I lost the concentration and bams! Well done.

I have only one complain about you, see - Twist.

But as I said, well done. I will say more in my farewells.

  

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HammerSongThu 26-May-11 11:21 PM
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#99643, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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I'll try to keep it short and simple.

Flaaayin made a significant impact on the Village. From day one, you *Roleplayed*. It was clearly obvious that the character grew not only in his role-playing oriented goals but also as a poisoner/trapper. I encountered you over the course of three characters, two mortals and an Immortal. You initially had a rough time sealing many of your kills. Once you fully learned your arsenal, you got really good at cornering your enemies and completely disorienting them.

This seemed the objective of the poisoner build. Complete disorientation.

You then highlighted that disorientation with well placed, strategic traps. I applaud your discipline regarding sticking to the roleplay. Somehow CF has steered towards being a game of sportsmanship. While I respect the intentions, there are instances when sportsmanship clearly contradicts roleplay.

To be blunt, you defined "Student of War," in an era where BattleRagers have become rediculously predictable. You had an uncanny way of out-witting your enemies. Thror ate that up.

Incredible job. I hope to see many more incarnations in the future.

  

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ShapaFri 27-May-11 06:05 AM
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#99645, "There are instances when sportsmanship clearly contradi..."
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But usually it happens when someone is roleplaying evil bastard in "evil" cabal (Scions, Empire, some Outlanders) or even uncaballed at all.

But a lot of people expect from the people who live in the the village of Battleragers a bit other things than:
Mon Mar 28 17:19:49 2011 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (441 hrs):
An Immortal added 800 exp for: A summery of the events that led to Ghrim's downfall. I really dig this dude.

Flaaayin was strong and tricky thief and he would make perfect Imperial Shadowlord or Advisor to the Chancellor. And it would be perfect roleplay if he assisted in uninducting Emperor or Chancellor there.

Why do we need the same roleplay for all cabals when most of the playerbase doesn't want it at all?

  

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HammerSongFri 27-May-11 07:58 AM
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#99646, "RE: There are instances when sportsmanship clearly cont..."
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That's the thing about speculation, it's usually wrong.

1: This immxp didn't come from me. Although there is probably a similar line of XP that did this.

2: I think your second statement about expectations from a lot of other people is a little bit off base. Great characters are those that break the mold.

3: The downfall of Ghrimriddor was a preplanned milestone of the quest. Rewards went out to multiple people who assisted in this.

Different angles in cabals add depth. I disagree with your suggestion that "deception based roleplay" should be specific to the Empire.

  

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ShapaFri 27-May-11 09:46 AM
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#99647, "One more example of that deception based roleplay."
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Edited on Fri 27-May-11 10:25 AM

          

Invisible mage asks the warrior without any special tittle "Hello, do you want to group?". Warrior answers him "Sure mage, let's meet. I will take blows so let me lead the group.". Then they group and go somewhere into cursed area, warriors walks around a lot just to drain all mage's movements and then kills the mage. Few hours later when warrior's affect of detect invisible ends he adds his role, goes to Tahren and gets applicant tittle.

It is deception based roleplay as well and it's not hard to write any excuse in the role to explain it too, do you find it acceptable?

And i wasn't only speaking about the deception based roleplay, i was also speaking about some other not-too-popular things based roleplay.

P.S. I am only trying to say 1 thing. I do not disagree with the idea that more different rps in the same cabal is better. But we have the playerbase what proves for many years already that without the strict cabal rules most of the players will do what i wrote above, gank north from the galadon because 1 stupid nexan ran there after failed raid attempt and do many other usual dirty things. And only 1 of 10 characters will be great character with really serious deep RP. Do you think it's worth it?

  

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StunnaFri 27-May-11 11:48 AM
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#99648, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
In response to Reply #107


          

Somehow CF has steered towards being a game of sportsmanship. While I respect the intentions, there are instances when sportsmanship clearly contradicts roleplay.


Totally agree with this. There's a balance to be struck, I think - but the entire mud could benefit from thinking more about roles than gear. Note, I mean to say gear - that's what the whole idea of sportsmanship really seems to center around.

  

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Chulun (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:34 PM
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#99607, "Therans rejoice!"
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Scary character indeed if not outright interesting, like everyone have said here... Chulun was from a much younger generation then Flaaayin was so he didn't face him many many times to form a bad opinion of him, even though we are in enemies cabal... Think ah fell to you one or twice with a bunch of close calls.. and I did lose my large saddle bag and hammers which ah can't blame ye for it, ah lost my bags to others many more times than I lost it to you, so that's ain't a really really big deal. With most of everyone here stated that your build and war tactics are hated and feared to the point of unacceptable, ah half agree half disagree with it... for instance, your knockout poison lasts a long time.. but there's the Quaggoth to counter, so that's one good thing... your traps caused impale and boneshatter.. but Chulun countered it with gears and pills...so that's another good thing.. the other thing that's quite powerful is the pepper dust, which last quite a long time without a way to heal it that I know of-not a good thing... this is what gets Chulun.. no way to counter it... and the pepper dust is what make Flaaayin quite deadly in group combat, which lead to Chulun having to wield a pair of cursed maces to try to defend, raid, or regain the key when you are around... and when the Flaaaying character can get around so so many builds, it looks abit unbalance, however, with your little skill set in actual combat, ah think it might balance out if someone get ta bash/entwine/or other wise keep you in battle... Chulun wasn't affraid of you, though 90% of the time, Chulun would do everything ta kill and drink dat Quaggoth's blood if you are about, making sure your overpower knockout poison is useless before running all over to set off traps.. If anything needs changing, I think the Quaggoth's power should be set to before it gained hobbled skill.. but that's just me... Chulun's glad he was there when Flaaayin was dying.. was kind of suprised, half glad, half disappointed because ah guess ah gotten use ta having ye around... though to quote Olum's words, somewhere along the lines of "The village's gonna need all the help they can get!" Ahoy!

  

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TsunamiWed 25-May-11 02:41 PM
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#99591, "I really like the player of Flaaayin"
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I can't comment on your RP. I didn't have much interaction with you.

I can't comment on how much of a #### you are or aren't in PK, I never fought with/against you.

However, I can say, that NOT trying to come to a meaningless defense against whiners on the boards is very impressive. Dealing with everything IC is impressive. Sticking it out despite all the obviously OOC nonsense that I'm sure you had to endure (simply based on the whining crap you see everywhere) is really cool in my book.

I tried to semi-defend you a few times simply because it seemed obvious people were taking things out of context. In any case, point is, good job keeping it all IC and not feeding into the craptastic forum posters.

Hence, I like the player of Flaaayin.

-- Matrik

  

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MoetEtChandonWed 25-May-11 04:09 PM
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#99595, "A caveat"
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It's one thing to set out to not be a griefer, it's another to not do anything about it, once you learn you have that reputation.

I mean, you have to be with two, to be a griefer. What you see as normal, might be a grievance to another. Even when you do not mean to, you are a griefer, once someone feels griefed.

Just something to consider.


PS: Yes, I am aware that the term Griefer commonly implies deliberate action.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 04:35 PM
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#99596, "RE: A caveat"
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I see your point but ultimately any rogue that steals anything from anyone is considered a griefer by a vast majority of the playerbase. In fact, if you use steal at all, you are being a griefer.

All I know is this. I did not clear out people's inventories, I did not steal and run, I stole to fight. I left most of the inventory intact, if not all, if it didn't affect the outcome of the PK. But sometimes yes I stole that really shiny sword I could use. I'm a thief, I'm guilty of that.

My reputation was ultimately born on the forums with a huge amount of misinformation and false claims.

To combat that, I would have had to come to the forums and defend, which always ends up poorly, so the vocal minority, Artifical comes to mind, continued on a rampage with assumptions and out of context claims that apparently won the populous over. The stacking trap effects post was hilarious. Completely false, but so many people bought into it and used it as a club over the heads of immortals and Flaaayin.

Another prime example of this is Zorg. I kill him in Udgaard. I take one ring to lore it and return it. There is an orc and a thief there lower level. I am corpse guarding his corpse. Lowbies keep trying to take things, I keep blocking them. Keller, who Zorg called in, arrives late to help him survive. He comes after me. I have to break corpse guard to deal with him. Orc and rogue loot almost all the things. Zorg goes bitch happy on me then puts me on ignore before I can even explain. To Zorg I am a full looting asshole. Completely wrong, but oh well. How am I to combat that? I have someone doing an OOC blow up on me, saying their piece, and then putting me on ignore.

In game, I continued to treat most of my enemies with respect. I did not full loot those that completely full looted me, and I returned things as needed. No, not all the time, I was not a beautiful and wonderful snowflake, but ultimately I was extremely nice. Orb mentions that on some points I did take non-magical containers, I certainly did, and usually from repeat assholes who constantly screamed at me in OOC ways. And even they sometimes got things returned to them, or put them in a place for them to get. Those that survived didn't even want to be near me so usually didn't want the containers anyway out of paranoia.

So ultimately I could not do anything about the image because it was born on the boards. In game, if that is my reputation, what would you do to combat that? I wasn't griefing and the silent majority knew that. Am I supposed to be extra nice and Dawn like? Blah. I still had a roleplay to continue and proactively going out and being super nice to change that reputation doesn't fit at all the roleplay of a chaotic evil Drillmaster that doesn't ultimately care about other peoples' opinions anyway.

  

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ArtificialWed 25-May-11 04:59 PM
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#99597, "I suck at not posting I guess."
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>To combat that, I would have had to come to the forums and
>defend, which always ends up poorly, so the vocal minority,
>Artifical comes to mind, continued on a rampage with
>assumptions and out of context claims that apparently won the
>populous over. The stacking trap effects post was hilarious.
>Completely false, but so many people bought into it and used
>it as a club over the heads of immortals and Flaaayin.

I would kindly ask you do not lump me in with others. If you look at the post, I told people what the reason for him having "stacked traps" was. Altruism. As such, I never said anything about you that I did not experience first hand.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 05:05 PM
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#99598, "I apologize then."
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That is true, and I apologize for lumping you in there. It was never brought to light that it was Altruism until a whole day after. And by that time, people were piling on as if it was truth. I appreciate the civility of this goodbye thread, as I had steeled myself for much much worse.

  

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Nevaelle (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:06 PM
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#99605, "Sorry"
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Edited on Wed 25-May-11 10:07 PM

          

>That is true, and I apologize for lumping you in there. It
>was never brought to light that it was Altruism until a whole
>day after. And by that time, people were piling on as if it
>was truth. I appreciate the civility of this goodbye thread,
>as I had steeled myself for much much worse.

I guess that was my thread you're talking about, and I absolutely was not trying to complain about the traps. I pointed that out later, but the lack of anonymous posting there makes it irritating to clarify anything.

For the record, I actually have no problem whatsoever with the power level of traps. I really never felt any danger from the traps themselves. The hobbles were irritating because of their length, but whatever, that's just a mild annoyance. I posted the log because I thought it was cool since it's the longest affects list I've ever had.

The funny part is, they weren't even your traps, they were Norington's.

  

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Norington (Anonymous)Thu 26-May-11 07:23 AM
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Gettin' some credit for meh supreme trappin!

  

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MoetEtChandonWed 25-May-11 05:15 PM
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#99599, "Yeah, I don't pretend to know the answer myself"
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Was just something to consider, like I said .

I personally got a, somewhat powergamey (whatever, to each his own), but good feel about you the player. Concerning the paths, the success (felt like 100%) and duration rates were just silly, but no one can fault you for using the tools you've been given. I do think those tools need a check up, though.

> But sometimes yes I stole that really shiny sword I could use. I'm a thief, I'm guilty of that.

Yeah ... as Thraris I often stole gear just to lore it, which I typically either planted back afterwards, or dropped somewhere followed by a tell. At one time the target noticed it (and me) before I was able to return them and gave me a whole barrage of words I am not going to repeat. Yes, in that case I thought "I guess that means you don't want me to return them." And Thraris was about as harmless as it gets ...

> The stacking trap effects post was hilarious.

You mean the one about that multiple altruism thing? That got cleared, but once something lurks in the mind, it's hard to get out, I suppose. Personally, I think it's a bug that it did stack. Perhaps the durations should increase (not double!!) with multiple altruisms, but not the affects.

> RE: taking containers

Complaints about thieves stealing containers are as old as the streets, but if it is indeed a prep bag that you take, you can't deny that it's effective. And it's been done as long as it's been complained about, which is always. Deliberately stealing someone's food and drink bag is another matter though.

> So ultimately I could not do anything about the image because it was born on the boards. In game, if that is my reputation, what would you do to combat that? I wasn't griefing and the silent majority knew that. Am I supposed to be extra nice and Dawn like? Blah. I still had a roleplay to continue and proactively going out and being super nice to change that reputation doesn't fit at all the roleplay of a chaotic evil Drillmaster that doesn't ultimately care about other peoples' opinions anyway.

Yeah, indeed, that's the tough one and as I said, I can't answer it either.

Last year pickpockets stole my wallet, while on vacation, with some money and all of my creditcards in it. Losing my Visa especially sucked, cause it was a group trip, with rented cars and I was one of the main drivers and you can forget picking up a rental without a garantuee. My point is, yes, that sucks, big time. Yes, you think they'd be better off doing more honorable things, but they're not, why? Because they're thieves.

CF has thieves, what else can you really expect from them?

That said, as it is a game, it does still need to be fair and !fun!. And right now I get the feeling it's too easy (for a 10+ year vet, which I do not doubt you are).

  

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Keller (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 06:14 PM
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#99600, "For what it's worth"
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I did explain to Zorg that the lowbie thief duergar probably looted it while he was royally pissed at you. Didn't remember the orc was there too.

  

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Allysia (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:27 PM
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#99606, "This post made me laugh."
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As the rhyme I got one brief chance to interact with that one, and what you dealt with I am not at all surprised by. He got mouthy to me before he even pledged to the Island for me not being attentive enough to him while I am trying to defend the Island, when I literally awoke and three ragers were there.

In fairness to Flaaayin, he killed me lots of times, and I had lots of shinies. He usually took 3-4 pieces of magical gear for tahren from me, be it a knock out or I died. Things he routinely took from me include the staff of wonders, a magical shortsword, sleek silver staves, a shield of darkness, and if he killed me blademasters gloves and clan badges. All things he could not use. But he sacced them all over time to tahren, and I eventually got them back most of the time, so as annoying as hell as it was, it could have been way worse considering he killed me numerous times.

At least he gave stuff to tahren, that's far less annoying than uncaballed gear locker thieves that steal crap which you will have little chance of seeing again.

  

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#99661, "RE: A caveat"
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I have to wonder if stacking traps had anything to do with us laying down traps in similar areas.

That is the first thing that came to mind when I saw posts/complaints about the matter. Although I have no clue if traps do stack in that manner.

  

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Aliathius (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 07:52 AM
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#99541, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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Good character, I could not count how many times I would be running around trying to do my part to ensure that some of my cabal mates would not just die to you in their sleep and under the influence of traps/poison. I would have loved to be more "aggressive" towards you a couple of times, but Aliathius is not an "aggro" type of character and it would have been poor RP on my part.

Regardless, while I was often on the other side of the coin, I must say definitely gave the Maran and mages a run for their money.

  

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Drasdan (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 06:50 AM
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#99534, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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So, Nice that I got a mention. I had the opportunity to interract with you across two characters. First was an Elf Pally that never made it past 35, but we were in the lowbies together. Then I got the definite sense of griefer from you, but I did learn quickly to wear that container. You would knock me out and steal my darn chest every time and then run away. It wasn't so you could kill me, cause at those levels, you had no shot at killing me, and really I don't think I had much of a shot at killing you. So early flaaayin to me = Grieffer.

Now fast forward.... and we have Drasdan. Man how much I hated fighting you. It usually ended up with me waiting out multiple hours of maladicts. Which are just nasty for a flyto/murder shifter. I was so ticked when you would be able to just flee/return/knockout and it _never_ _ever_ failed, unless I had Quagoth blood. Then when i did have it, I'd get the tiger on you and you'd get away anyways. According to my PBF, you got me twice I think. After a while, I just stopped trying to fight you, as I think most people did. But I know that the couple of times that you got me, you didn't look a whole lot. So Older Flaaayin = Scarry Mofo.

All in all, you did a great job with taking crap and making it uber scary.

GLWYN

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:24 AM
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#99549, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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I must admit that is a correst assessment of my very young years. With just half practiced poisons and half poisons available (basically only knock out), defender skills, and second attack, I was not threatening at all. For those who were not mages I tried to do things to keep you from coming after me. So you are right on that part until about level 35 or so.

Thank you for wearing your wearable magical container. Sometimes it would pain me to take it. But as Thror said one time when he came down on me for returning magical equipment to Imperials, "This be bloody war!".

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 11:26 PM
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#99521, "Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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Yes I know everyone hates me, yes I know I'm not going to change anyone's minds here. But here is my two cents on this whole crazy storm I apparently created. I will respond to those with specific goodbyes not covered here. I will not be responding much to haters, especially misinformed ones. Thanks for all the magical containers.

Concept
I had first thought this would just be an experiment in terribleness. I was looking at the neat new thief points tracking program on QHCF and thought to myself if it was possible to do two complete paths. I looked at them all and kept tossing around ideas and then said, "Well, lets take the two worst thief paths out there and put them together and see what shakes out." I had no thought in my head it was going to go well, and when I started it, well, it wasn't going well. I survive
like no one's business, but I was not deadly. My goal was to get two devious versatility so I could get both paths in poison and trap. And so I wrapped a role around that concept and went to playing.

Dispelling some Myths
Everyone has chimed in on this, and I have been quiet. I did not post on anyone elses' goodbyes, or any of the other threads, because of the sheer amount of vitrol and misinformation being spread around, I didn't want to hijack anyone's thread. So you all spoke, but its my time to speak, so here is my opinion. If it gets out of hand, I will stop responding and we'll leave it at that. If everyone keeps it civil to a respectful conclusion, I may let my secrets about these two paths out of the bag on the Wiki.

Thief Points
First of all, I had a total of 119 thief points, that is it. On QHCF, people were saying I had 130, 140 or more! Completely ridiculous. One of the problems with CF playerbase is they don't just think about anything, they just comment, and assume, and comment, and assume. 119 points, easily doable with two devious versitilities, of which I would have gotten anyway despite the role contest reward. Fuzzy math rules it seems. I am completely surprised no one went and actually checked if it was possible. Dozens of people were lambasting immortals and myself for this, when the answer was literally an inch away with a mouse click. (Trap) 56 + (Poison) 63 = 119. I had 0 other skills besides what was in those two paths.

Role Contest Reward
Again, blown way out of proportion. For my reward for winning the role contest, it was 9 thief points and an edge that extends the duration of my resistance. That is it. Role contest did not make or break this character and everything I achieved would have been achieved in the same timeframe through edge points anyway. It was appreciated although, thank you Immortals for doing this kind of thing.

Looting, Stealing, and the Such
I never full looted anyone. I stole to kill, I did not steal to cause grief. I stole magical containers and destroyed them, yes, on purpose, because they were avenues of escape and contained all host of things, healing pills, teleport potions, fly potions, scrolls, orbs of travel, etc. I took them because it was part of the pk for this kind of build. This build is not built around the standard pk, its more about controlling the other character's reality. WHich was a completely different way of pking than I have ever experienced, and frankly, it was pretty cool. This also included warriors whose second specs are things like whips, flails, polearms, etc. I stole those so you could not wield them against me when I forced you to get rid of the first set. It was all calculated. I usually left those weapons somewhere for them to be picked up, but then again, I'm a poisoner and so many people just assumed I poisoned them and did not get them. Not my problem.

Experienced players got respect, but lost their magical container. Newbies usually lost nothing, even magical containers. Assholes got more of the "stick" than I usually give. But even then, characters that full looted me to the pies, that I have killed many times in the past and left their things, never got full looted, or hardly looted after the incident.

Last, steal is a skill to be utilized. I used it to kill and I did kill. And I killed many powerful characters no one else could touch because of this skill. Perhaps people should stop using bash, or only use half the time to seal kills.

Poisoning and Contact poison
I never used contact poison ever (actually 1 time see below). There is not much use for it in my strategy I felt, as it was something that was really dibilitating for long, long periods of time. You think neuro is bad, get emetic for 50 to 75 hours (which I could have done), and then see the complaining. The only person I did it to was Gurzgred and I told him straight out I was poisoning his weapons with my taint, and it was part of the roleplay of it. Food and water poisoning I did when I was younger, but stopped near and at hero. Although poisoning food and water netted me a number of kills where I would find them exhausted and easy prey, I just didn't want to go there.

Last on poisoning. I am disappointed that Flaaayin took all the crap for things out of my control. Neurological poison may be a random duration depending on how badly you fail your save, who knows. 50 hours was a one time thing and everyone assumes its not. Its not like I control this. All I know is I took the worst possible combination out there and showed that with a little bit of time and thought, you can make it dangerous.

Trap Duration Stacking
Complete and utter crap. It doesn't stack at all except for the poison effect. And the poison effect also stacks when drinking poisoned containers, eating a poisoned thing while already poisoned. Its already in the game and has been for a decade, and now people complain? Ugh. As for the rest of the effects, none of you know the true work or time or anticipation of enemies you must do to get a good set of traps for them. The one ironic thing is I want to thank all of those who posted "complaining" logs on QHCF. Because before then I had no idea what my traps were doing, and that gave me huge amounts of information to hone my trap ingredient selection. So for that I thank you.

Magical Container Stealing
There was less then 5% of the characters I fought against who truly just thought about this and put in some very simple actions to completely solve this problem.

1. Wear your magical girdle of endless space. Almost everyone did not wear their containers, EVER. Rediculous, come on people, learn a little bit. Those that did dramatically increased their survivability, and didn't lose their prep bag. The problem is not with me stealing magical containers, the problem lies in that people are not willing to bloody figure out what went wrong in that encounter and apply that lesson to the next situation. It is really worth that extra +2 hit and
damage to not wear your girdle? I have no guilt about stealing wearable magical containers.

2. Floating Chest
Stolen, told you why I stole it, gave you suggestions on non magical alternates to find. Simple enough. Some I returned, or put the chest in a place that would cause them to contradict their belief system. Part of my deception roleplay. Some listened, most didn't, stolen again. Rinse and repeat. I guess I should just throw my whole roleplay about hating magic out of the window for the individuals who didn't figure out that carrying around a magical container is stupid.

Quaggoth and Logs Posted
Yes, I used the Quaggoth as a draw to find people to pk. Yes, I did write poems about him protecting him to bring humor to it. But again, logs come with circumstances, and no one even seems to address those. Again a whole host of assumptions where I'm picking on poor paladins who have done nothing. Those friendly paladins are getting blood to raid or hunt me (as well as getting blood for others like Nexus or Tribunal to hunt me). I'm not letting that happen, especially when they do it and come after me while I'm raiding Nexus. I have no regrets here. I mean honestly, poor paladins? Come on, I'm a chaotic evil Drillmaster. So many people I left alone that no one knows about. If you were a goodie and had not attacked me immediately afterward, or raided, or other such overt action, more often than not, I could have killed you three or four times over, but I left you be. If I wanted to be ruthless, there would have been a lot more corpses, and many paladins, fortress, outlander, tribunal (Tordoak specifically), Imperial, non-caballed know this for certain.

Suggest
I never used magic to further my ability to kill people. i.e. suggesting drinking things, or eating things. I stuck to my guns and only used suggest in non-magical ways and I was very successful. I had hoped taking this angle would get me some support by players, but alas. I did use suggest to have some fun with people and their cabal, of which I greatly enjoyed.

Poems
Each poem is part of my roleplay. I spent 5 or less minutes on each one. They are ad-hoc and meant to just be humorous and ironic and make fun of things most people get all bent out of shape on. Did Athioles have reasons to try to gang me down? Absolutely. Did any of these issues go beyond the poems? Nope. Hope you enjoyed them.

Goodbyes
Lots.

Immortals
Thror: Always enjoyable. There was a time in there I wanted to have a little more "play" with you specifically with the Rites and the quest, but you have a life too and I understand. Thanks for doing the quest and involving so many people. It was a great side role for my character and I feel I did come into my own role there. Again sorry for having to ditch on the Rites, life sometimes gets in the way of fun.

Lyst: Oh Imp. I followed you from hour 1 to hour 620, and no response. I hope everything is going okay. This was the one goal I never got which was to be tattooed by you. I felt maybe I deserved it, but you are again the ultimate decision on that. Good luck wherever you are!

Borkahd: Awesome presence, enjoyed our talks and interactions. Hope you enjoyed that gift, however perverse it was. I hope you continue to have a presence and do what you do best, which is basically everything when it comes to roleplay. Good luck.

Malakhi: Great guidance and presence as well. Your personality came through and it is great to have you overseeing the village.

Twist: One cannot be officially in Battle until they have been turned into a toad by Twist. Thanks for that, was one of my goals. Just next time, don't do it in Galadon with 3 Tribunals after you .

Immortals in General: Thanks again for the great game and everything you do.

Battle
Ghrimriddor: Watching you when you were young was like watching a fish flopping out of water. Sometimes your tail would crush your enemy, but most of the time, you ended up dead. You learned so many lessons under the eyes of Thera as the Commander, where most would do it out of the limelight. You handled it well enough. I attempted to push you to be harsher, and follow your heart, and when you were soft, I let it slide, specifically with Karrarrak. You were spot on in booting him
sooner, but oh well, I used him later against you .

Eck: Great partner in crime! A wonderful character and quite the personality that showed through. One of the best roleplayed characters that has gone undernoticed. Good luck with your next.

Karrarrak/Jikahl: Strong presences, good warriors, but so demanding and annoying. I had all your characters called within two minutes of even talking to them. Did it stop me from giving you a chance? No, but darn it, sometimes it was difficult not to just boot you for annoying me.

Shaidin: Where did you go? La Sigh. Great concept, wanted to see more.

Trunlak: Good job cutting people up. Sorry about the Rites. You were almost as deadly as Elgroth.

Elgroth: Scary monster. Throw you into a barrel with five nexus, seven scions, and three imperials, and you come out and no one else would. Great job being a beast. You were Mageslayer. When you died I took the title and never lost it.

Hyu: Strangely tough build. I had plans of defeating you in the rites, but then discovered the dagger of betrayal is also nodrop . Or else you would be wielding a wimpy poison dagger I was highly resistant to for the rest of the rites and you would have easily died. Unfortunately I had run out of ingredients at the end there and time was running short. On a side note, if traps worked AT ALL in the Rites, I would have killed everyone and won it easily. Unfortunately no trap skills at all worked (despite trust and all that), and I was left with just poisons.

Gryilious: Love you! Killing Rhone was a highlight and boy did we do it in style. I highly enjoyed playing with others that pick up on the flow of battle so well. i.e. "Oh we can trip her, well I'll trip, and I'll alternate in pattern to guarantee this one doesn't get away". And low and behold, he didn't.

Young Applicant Thief: You know who you are. Don't make me come back from the grave and claim that coin! Make good use of it and make me proud!

The "Booted": I believe I booted 16 people? Maybe 20, but a lot. ALthough many said I was just a softy ruining Battle, I did more than most Drillmasters and Commanders combined in trying to maintain some order. To all of you, most of you just cut and run, while one, Phoalex, stuck it out.

Phoalex: You have great respect from me for toughing it out and getting back in, good job.

Scion
CC: Highlight of my career killing you with a backstab and traps only. You killing me on the water, I always knew I should carry a boat, but was lazy. Again, lazy gets you killed in CF, never didn't have a boat again. I also panicked, some things I could have done with suggestion would have saved me.

Volker: Invokers.... I have killed many, but the prepared is a dangerous creature. Best trick ever suggesting you to inher flight so I could trip you. As for your rants about poisons, sorry. There are some very strong poison ingredients out there that I took advantage of, especially neuro and knock out. Perhaps some durations should be looked at (its obvious who you were on the forums), but then again thats not my call. There are serious drawbacks compared to any other thief I won't get into here when it comes to a lot of things which you just "glass" over.

Zhincala: Never could pin you down. Saved by circumstances usually. Keep on trucking, I know what a conjurer in Scion can

do. You can be more nasty!

Fortress
Rhone: Pillar oh pillar how I do not like you. You definitely did not like me and its understandable. Always had good rumbles. One thing I suggest is actually try to deprotect yourself some. If people feel they can do nothing against you but grazes, they won't stick around. But you seem to know what you are doing and keep on trucking.

Athioles: Although we seemed to dislike you I never really disliked you. I know you disliked me judging by the hordes of people you brought to take me down, but I'm fine with that. I'm one slippery bastard and it is very very hard to kill me on one's own. I hope you enjoyed my ad-hoc poem and hopefully no hard feelings. I will give you the award although for using cry of the phoenix more like "convienence gate" than anyone else I have ever seen.

Drasden: I was pretty difficult for you even with the tiger. It seems slippery escape edge helps with pouncing in general. Which allowed me to get some things set up to deal with you. I completely understand your approach for coming after me as a player and have no hard feelings. You did a great job taking down all the other evil thieves in the village although, so hats off.

Drayden (shaman): I had a hard time dealing with the fact of five and six on one gangs coming after me, but when you are alone I'm supposed to leave you alone unless you can rot me. I did instigate a stealing lesson plan (but never killing you) on magical containers specifically because of you. Strangely enough, that lesson plan actually worked, and I had a vast majority of non-mage Fortress simply not fighting me, even when they could see me. That would be the closest to griefing I
think I got. And when you stopped hunting me, it all stopped and many can attest to that.

Tribunal
Radik: Silly paladin. "I cannot fight you or I will lose my belongings." or the best one "Fighting you is hopeless, I will just stay in towns you are not in." If that is your roleplay that is awesome stuff. Solid follower you have there Twist.

Mundin: Never broke you. Between your resistant to poison forms, and all the other crap (regen/etc). I could not take you down. I did try although, boy did I try. Great fights.

Vindicator: I'm a different creature to hunt arn't I? When flyto becomes dangerous for you its a different story. Got you a few times, great fights, always kept me on my toes. What a powerful combination, good luck with what you do next.

Tordoak: So many times I could have easily murdered you but left you be. You just standing around made you an easy target which I did not take advantage of. Good job getting me there near the end.

Empire
Sivyh: Good interactions. I never really hunted you with the full force I could have. Keep up the good Imperial work. That last time where you came in and ruined my little trap fir Ististin made me angry so I came after you. If I had become Commander, our arrangement would have been completed.

Kjaz: I will give the full and upmost respect to whoever played this character for being actually someone who learned from their fights with me. You compensated and pulled out some unexpected awesome things. The best was in the sewers where you rested first (lesson one), took a potion out of your WORN CONTAINTER (lesson two and three), I attacked to keep you from quaffing the potion with blindness dust which worked but you had a potion out and quaffed away to safety. Everyone else in these situations make the same mistakes, and you learned them. And for that, you are an awesome player.

Norington: Ah, the one who I killed on a number of occasions, left your belongings, and I die to Kjaz, Oringus, and you and well, full loot. Which is fine. Good luck, you were coming into your own at the end there. If I made this combonation in Empire, woe be everyone....

Others: Lots of you, post and I'll respond.

Herald
Not tons of interaction. I was quickly banned from the Inn anyway for doing mean things to people.

Nexus
Alyssia: Good fights, interesting interactions, all in all not a disappointing character in my eyes. Much more cautious after that raid where I killed both of you when you both had Quaggoth blood in you. As they say on QHCF, at that time I was just a "glorified trapper" who cannot do anything. We are quite the opposites but leaders in our own right. I find the difference to fall more along alignment than anything else. I'm chaotic evil, and you are true neutral, obviously we are going to have some major differences, and I enjoyed that.

Chulun: Another character that put lessons to practice. Good job prepping to deal with strength loss of traps especially. Also, good job carrying no remove light maces, especially in your offhand. Another smart player.

Aelo: The walrus/komodo dragon. Tough nut to crack, but found ways to do it, but took a lot of trying. Keep walrusing out.

Others: Lots, post and I'll respond.

Outlander
Balta: Always good talks although we never fought. If we did it would have been awesome. Where did our favorite blue imp go? La sigh.

Onya: I don't think I ever got you, but got close. Paranoid as hell, and the ability to sit in camo meant I could not get you when you were not prepared. Good job killing everything. I enjoyed being the x factor in the Outlander versus Tribunal raids. Where I would simply kill off mages on both sides or just ruin everyone's day by causing havoc in general.

Other
Jekor: Thanks for some tips and interesting interactions. You are a strange bear. Where is the Truncheon when you need it?

All in all an interesting ride. A lesson in a completely different way to PK. Please post and I'll respond with a goodbye to you specifically. Just a lot of people to remember.

  

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TacTue 24-May-11 11:48 PM
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#99522, "You were awesome."
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Trunlak: Good job cutting people up. Sorry about the Rites. You were almost as deadly as Elgroth.

This makes me laugh. One, because I wasn't even in the same league as Elgroth (if I was positive pk ratio I'd be suprised) and two, because I have no idea what you are apologising for about the Rites. That team up at the end we messed up? Frankly Trunlak was a garbage character that only by the grace of our Immortal overlords was allowed to exist in the first place. I should never have been in the village, but I feel like I contributed to Jikahl *not* being named commander, so I was satisfied.

From watching you as an ally several times, I could never figure out why there was so much hatred toward you. I hate thieves, but you were *trying* to pk, not just set someone up for a gang, or steal for no reason, so people had plenty of opportunities to get you. Oh well. To be fair, if I had you as an enemy I'm sure I wouldn't have liked it, but Trunlak could have kicked your butt more times than not anway*. Bash spam for the win!

(*) So long as we fought where you couldn't trap, like the Rites. Anywhere else, and he would have gone down like a chump.... probably.

  

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ArtificialTue 24-May-11 11:49 PM
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#99523, "great spin"
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If I did not experience how much of a griefer you were in game, and only read this post, I would think you were great.

  

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Anliltuel (inactive user)Wed 25-May-11 06:35 AM
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#99533, "We get it."
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You didn't like the character. I think four posts to that effect is enough.

Give it a rest, please.

  

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OldrilWed 25-May-11 08:32 AM
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#99544, "Hes got another 20+ crying at Dios about Flaaayin too"
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One of CF forums biggest problems is that its easier to just cry about another player than be self-critical. Artificial was obviously dying lots to Flaaayin so you cannot blame him for being so bitter.

  

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ArtificialWed 25-May-11 12:32 PM
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#99579, "Last one, no vitriol"
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Flaaayin never killed me over 3 different chars. That is saying a lot for a bad player like myself Nor did he sac my container. He stole my non magical one, but dropped it on the ground. Not sure what was going on with that but oh well.

As I said in my 20+ crying posts, it was never about fear of death, just having my login (and others, as people would often hint they wished they hadnt woken up) not be fun because most of it was spent waiting off mind control poisons.

  

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OldrilWed 25-May-11 12:36 PM
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#99580, "Every class can maledict"
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I fought Flaaayin and his poisons lasted a bit but he was easily avoided.

  

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ArtificialWed 25-May-11 12:39 PM
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#99581, "Not for the role I was playing. nt"
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nt

  

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OldrilWed 25-May-11 01:15 PM
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#99584, "Fair enough"
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Mayube I was a bit harsh criticizing your posts as crying.

lets try and stay positive and say Flaaayin was one of the biggest 'impact' chars this age

  

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ArtificialWed 25-May-11 01:18 PM
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#99585, "I can agree with that.nt"
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nt

  

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Batman (inactive user)Wed 25-May-11 06:45 PM
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You're like...The combined traits of everything I hate in a person at once.

You're irrational, hypocritical, asinine, and generally really really bad about getting a point across - You tend to insult others than cry when others insult you.


But yeah.

Flaayin.
Cool.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:25 AM
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#99550, "RE: great spin"
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Thank you for your feedback and I appreciate the candor. Please wear your magical container next time.

  

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ORBWed 25-May-11 02:04 PM
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#99590, "RE: great spin"
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You destroyed plenty of non-magic ones too let's not try to put lipstick on a pig.

That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.

  

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#99622, "He's right about the post, though."
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As someone who didn't interact with Flaaayin in any way, I can verify that. It does make things sound like the character was really cool.

Flaaayin was a controversial character and I had to delete many posts displaying him in negative light, mostly comments to logs where Flaaayin was present, although not really doing anything ####ty. As far as I see it, those who claim that you were a horrible griefer have the burden of proof, so let's see from their logs if you were as bad griefer as they claimed you were. I think it's just a hating a successful thief thing.

  

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BorkahdWed 25-May-11 12:03 AM
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#99524, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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Thank you for the kind words. I am an RPer, I can't hide that. I love to RP and add to other people's enjoyment. If I can make a memorable experience for just a few players, I'm good with that.

I really enjoyed the talks I had with Flaaa and loved RPing with you. I wasn't on for your passing but Borkahd made it known that if the Imp never claimed Flaa's soul that he would give him a special little place in the Abyss with his very own slave. It would be cool if someone tossed out an echo or two regarding such but again, I wasn't on so I'm not certain.

Anyway, really good job despite the hate. I wish you the best of luck with your next.

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If you anger him, he'll rape you to death, eat your flesh, and sew your skin into his clothing. And if you're very, very lucky, he'll do it in that order. ~Twist

  

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Hralpelk (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:05 AM
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#99525, "Respect."
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You were a good foe back in Hralpelk's day and very, very hard to pin down. Luckily, a duergar flurry-spec can usually get a thief if he can pin him down for a round or two. It was fun to see you grow and become a badass in your own right. In Hralpelk's day, you were more of an annoyance that I really wanted to kill. With my current, you were one of two characters I really feared. Bravo, chief.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:33 AM
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#99553, "RE: Respect."
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Yes, back in the sub 40 levels, I was not the force to deal with. I was able to find some ways to get kills, but you were certainly the toughest opponent ever. When you and Cinndria ganked me in the village and then Cinn full looted and sac'ed all my things, I was very unhappy...

You do have my respect for being a great player and a very good evil duergar warrior who knew how to get my number.

  

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Rhone (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:32 AM
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#99526, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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>Fortress
>Rhone: Pillar oh pillar how I do not like you. You definitely
>did not like me and its understandable. Always had good
>rumbles. One thing I suggest is actually try to deprotect
>yourself some. If people feel they can do nothing against you
>but grazes, they won't stick around. But you seem to know what
>you are doing and keep on trucking.
>

Actually, I liked you a great deal - even though Rhone may have felt some disdain. And I meant what I said when I told you that you were the most dangerous enemy that I've ever known. Fighting you was useless without the quaggoth, but that's not your problem. That just meant that I quite literally had to kill the quaggoth every hour or so just in case you logged in. Also, I think the people saying the worst part to fighting you was waiting off poison effects in safety are crazy and/or deluding themselves - you were *extremely* deadly and we should all thank our lucky stars you did not have imperial spies, as well.

Now, I'll admit, it was frustrating being too crippled by your traps to actually loot you the two times you fell. And it was frustrating having my crap taken again and again. And a couple months ago, when you said you were taking a two week vacation, I smile in real life because I needed the time to rank up and get on my feet. But in my mind, you were like the BattleRager version of Athioles - someone that was hated by his enemies and loved by his men. And for some reason I was glad you were around.

As for the few protection thing, I agree, and I've used that ploy a few times - often dangerously so - but never against you. You were too dangerous, aggressive enough to pursue me despite it, and I felt the quaggoth made it turn just slightly to my advantage.

Final note, reading your goodbye, I think I just realized who played Flaaayin and it's good to see you're still in the game.

Good luck with your next!

  

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Sarto (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:39 AM
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#99527, "Hah! According to this you think I'm a skilled player! ..."
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I got accused a few times of running from you instead of fighting. I tried to make sure I at least showed up for the fight, even if I had to retreat. It's ridiculous what forget does to a transmuter. *sigh* That said, you were a tough bastard. I think the closest I ever got was getting you to gushing after landing a couple lucky neuros with my guards and catching you off guard. You were a beast to fight for me.

As one of those who got the advice "quit with magic containers and I won't be destroying them" I instantly liked fighting with you. I love it when I get advice from someone I'm in a PK situation with, because I'm not that great at it. Hope to interact with your next.

See you in the fields!

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:35 AM
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#99554, "RE: Hah! According to this you think I'm a skilled play..."
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I do not blame you for your actions and I think you handled your role as a Tribunal, mage, and your want for self preservation really well.

As for that time with the lucky neuros, well, I forgot to have spellbane up. I was kicking myself because you were most likely going to kill me for that mistake.

Thanks for being willing to rumble and sorry for all the chaos in Galadon.

  

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MurphyWed 25-May-11 02:28 AM
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#99528, "Man, did I hate you with passion!"
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I can't help it. It was, like, the apotheosis of unfairness I experienced from you when I played Faeshu. IC or not, nobody pissed me off that badly, well maybe except Volkov (but he at least didn't try to humiliate me with words). On the bright side, I'm glad it is over and it won't be that terrible to deal with the likes of you in the future because I have learned a lot about the game.

I remember one time I was spamming "backstab flaaayin" and you still managed to slip in and apply your knockout poison. I have no idea how did you do that in the wilderness with its movement lag.

Funny that I wrote in my role that if you ever lose your godfather seat, you'll surely come to Blackclaw guild. Over time I felt silly about writing that, but in the end it turned out I was right.

I don't know what to make of your goodbye post. I'm just going to be indifferent - no more hate, but no big props either. You were successful, but I didn't see anything from you that I usually respect people for.

  

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AbernyteWed 25-May-11 03:36 AM
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#99531, "Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few things"
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Namely and by your own admission, the Quaggoth thing to fascilitate killing paladins. I have played plenty of evil ragers and had fortress come and try and gank me to the point of me starting to initiate combat versus the paladins in question and I invariably ended up with a kick up the ass, headbutt or an uninduct from the rager Immortal at the time.

Only saw the one log on dios and I had no idea what went before it but as a Drillmaster I feel you have to set a better example in this sense. In every other sense I think you were an excellent villager/Drillmaster and just left me a little bit gutted when I 'stupidly' deleted my rank 28 svirf thief that was going to be a trapper in the village because I like to try different things and due to your successes and the logs on dios there was an explosion of trappers/poisoners and I shelved it, so for that I curse you and your success!

Pretty sure you had the first poisoner attempt as a villager too, did you not?

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:31 AM
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I did not use the Quaggoth to kill paladins. I used it as a location to kill my enemies who were getting its blood to come kill me. If there were individuals who were not enemies of the village, or helping them, they killed the Quaggoth fine, actually while I watched. But these supposedly innocent paladins would kill it for their mage buddies, they would also kill it and then come behind us while raiding Nexus.

If the situation was that they were going to use it immediately against me, I killed them. As you will see from my PDF, if it gets bought, I think I may have like 15 paladin kills total?

Is it Drillmaster'ish? Probably not, but its a great roleplay angle, adds flavor and flaw to the character, and falls directly into Flaaayin's alignment and attitude.

  

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AbernyteThu 26-May-11 03:25 AM
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#99611, "As I said, I have no hate for you or the character"
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and I did mention that I was only looking at it from a snippet of your goodbye post here and that log (with no notion of what preceeded it).

I liked what I saw IC, on a personal level. Just a shame my character after the svirf thief I deleted got waylayed by real life so I never saw you again after our first initial interview where I think you were quite open to the idea of a character that develops throughout a lifetime and makes life changing decisions as he grows. Won't say more as I am still considering the ressurection to battle now some of the nobs have gone.



  

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GraatchThu 26-May-11 11:26 AM
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#99614, "RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..."
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Except you don't know, you cannot know, what someone is going to do in the future. You are making the big (and in my opinion unacceptable) assumption about what someone killing the Quaggoth will do afterward. Essentially you're preemptively killing people because you think they may later come after you in some situation. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but part of being a rager, and especially being a drillmaster, is not having the right or choice to go kill people because you think later they might come after you. Even if they do help others raid, if they aren't enemies you aren't supposed to kill them until they are marked hunted, usually for having raided many times.

By your own words you've described doing exactly what a rager, and again in particular a drillmaster, should not do. That's what I have issue with.

  

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OldrilThu 26-May-11 11:39 AM
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#99615, "This attitude is why the village gets owned"
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Hey that guy that gangs you down every day? You can't preemptively attack him since hes not your enemy by village rules. LOL what a joke.

But then, I'll never play another villager again until their cabal rules change because from a black/white standpoint village powers don't even come remotely close to offsetting their drawbacks.


  

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#99616, "May be so, but thems the rules"
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Every cabal has rules that can hinder a player. The only option is to, as you have said, not play the cabal if you don't like its rules.

  

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lasentiaThu 26-May-11 01:03 PM
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#99620, "Villagers own people all the time."
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Knacnar, Ohbehb, Djabree, Woldrun and Elgroth. All 200+ Pks
If you go by 100+ battle has 38.
empire has 45, fort has 13, Outlander 20, scion 30, and tribunal 11.
And nexus, their main enemy, has an astounding 8.
So who really gets owned out there? (yes these are just basic numbers with out a lot of real analysis, but they do show villagers are not quite the punching bags of Thera)

Some people can thrive as villagers within the confines of their rules, some can not, that's all there is to it. I can't play a villager well, but I don't say that's because there is a problem with the village, it's a problem with me and how I like to play.

It's one thing to premptively strike a guy in the ruins. Another at high lords. There are LOTS of other reasons to get blood besides Flaaayin. Maybe they like to eat fillets. Maybe they are fighting a dragon. Maybe they just want poison immunity in case they do have to fight Flaaayin, even though they have no intention of going to the village. Sitting at High Lords and using that as a justification is iffy. Killing Nexuns/mages/cabal enemies there, that's fine of course. Killing anyone else, that's the gray area. No different for a duerg sitting on eastern. You put yourself there, don't be surprised if a paladin wraths you if they see you. That doesn't mean you get to bash them first. You almost always have another option. Most people however, want the one that lets them PK somebody else, so that's what they do, and then give some piss poor justification afterwards like "he was going to wrath me if I didn't".

There is a simple solution if you don't want people bothering you. Don't play an evil. (eliminates fort as enemies) Don't play anything outlanders hate. Don't break the law. Be a neutral orderly human warrior, and you'll largely go unnoticed in the village by most everyone. Empire/nexus/scion and all mages will bother you, but you can attack them anywhere anyway so no big deal.

People choose their class and all that, and get the perks, then complain about having drawbacks in exchange for them. Being a villager means following the cabal rules. And some villagers look for s****y justifications to get around them lots of times. But once you start making rationalizations and assumptions to justify your actions, you know you're doing something you should not, and that's why you make those very justifications. 9 out of 10 times there are no reprecussions for it. But sometimes, Thror comes down and boots them. I honestly think Thror and the battle heroimms should do a lot more booting of villagers, but at the same time make it easier for them to get back in, so they can actually get the point and redeem themselves rather than just delete delete.

You don't think the perks outweigh the benefits, that's fine. Some people do, other people like the challenge or the nature of the cabal. Maybe some people don't care about being the biggest bad ass on the block, they just like playing and the cabal appeals to them and don't mind that they get ganged and killed and all that.

  

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GraatchThu 26-May-11 07:01 PM
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#99638, "RE: This attitude is why the village gets owned"
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You did not understand what I wrote. I said, if it is not someone who has made him/herself an obvious enemy of yours by constantly attacking you, then you shouldn't kill or attack them.

Obviously, the converse is true, so if it is someone who has constantly attacked you many times, then the village allows you to kill them when you come across them - which is not to say you can hunt them, but that you don't have to just sit back and let them get the first strike in a fight. Villagers are courageous, not stupid. If you make it clear you are going to be an implacable foe, then so be it, you've chosen combat. But if you are someone who I, the villager, happen not to like, and who has occasionally attacked me or helped my enemies, well, then I have to suck it up and not attack or hunt you. Them's the rules. And from his own words, Flaayin broke them.

  

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IsildurThu 26-May-11 12:59 PM
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#99619, "RE: Not hate but felt you were very lucky with a few th..."
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If he did it judiciously, which I have no way of knowing, then I don't have a problem with him preemptively attacking people who are killing that mob. Read what he wrote:

<i>I did not use the Quaggoth to kill paladins. I used it as a location to kill my enemies who were getting its blood to come kill me. If there were individuals who were not enemies of the village, or helping them, they killed the Quaggoth fine, actually while I watched. But these supposedly innocent paladins would kill it for their mage buddies, they would also kill it and then come behind us while raiding Nexus.</i>

Conditions where he'd kill people who were killing that mob:

1. Mage.
2. Enemy of the village.
3. Helping an enemy of the village kill the mob.
4. Helping a mage kill the mob.

If a paladin (or fortress guy in general) makes a point of going after an evil villager then I have zero problem with that villager going on the offensive against that person.

  

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#99536, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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Thwrerrorip never hated you, nor did I as the player, just to
chime in on that. I DID groan about how long some of your
poisons lasted. Mostly gotten via acolytey non-sense not from
direct attack We talked a bit but pretty much steered
clear of one another. (You were pretty creepy at times btw.)
You presented a slightly different sort of problem for many
so if they couldn't find a way around the problem it became
frustrating, that's my guess with all the bad press. Maybe
I'm wrong, who really knows. Hehehe.
In any case, good luck with your next.

  

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#99860, "Wow"
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I was looking through the forums way back when...you remember a herald by the name of Kohl?

  

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#99867, "RE: Wow"
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yes, yes I do have a memory of that name, can't 'quite' place it clearly though.

  

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Kariya (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 07:26 AM
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#99537, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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I hated you IC, and OOC in a certain way, cause 15 hours of impale and boneshatter isn't fun, esp for a shifter. But that said, a very powerful char (: I respected you for that.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:37 AM
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#99555, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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You are a great asset to the Rift and know how to use your forms. I felt so bad about the "sitting at the giant" thing you were doing. I just could not let you have the key back. You will certainly be the bane of many villagers to come. Good luck.

  

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Kariya (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 11:18 AM
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#99569, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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Well that took abit of con out of me. Yup, you're one of the only villagers I actually have to think about before I go into a fight with. That said I REALLY wanted the key back =P, and well, I wasn't in a mood to think of a detailed strategy that night, or wait around for you to leave. Kariya does not like quitting out without key =P

  

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#99539, "Good spin but..."
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When half the hero range logs off because they don't feel like being griefed by you that's not a good thing in my eyes. Was it an overreaction on their part, maybe. However you definately helped contribute to that image of you. Then again maybe people shouldn't expect that just because they spent hours rl gathering things that someone will respect that and not sac their prep bag just because they forgot to wear it. My biggest fustration seemed to be even with resist poison your damn inhale worked 100% of the time.

That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:44 AM
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#99556, "RE: Good spin but..."
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I won't get into the whole "wear your container" or "don't have a magical container" discussion. I am sure it caused frustrations. My experience overall was that no one wore the container and just "trusted" everyone would work out. Some of the repeat offenders would rather wear a troll belt than wear their girdle and save it from being stolen. I for one know if someone stole my girdle, it would be worn from that point on.

As for my reputation, you are right. I did not do anything to stop it because ultimately the only way to combat it was to do it on the forums, which I'm not doing. And I didn't mind the reputation as it worked great into my role and roleplay.

  

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Smoberti (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 07:47 AM
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#99540, "sad to see the one of the only 2 villagers worthy of a ..."
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I thought you had brass balls the size of boulders when you rushed my ranking group in sitran. You died and came right back at us when you unghosted and managed to kill both of my groupmates I think.

We had a lot of fun fights. I want to apologize for being a big wuss for a while there, I was under the impresion that suggest revert while under forget could cause instant death so I was avoiding you whenever forget landed (and you would be surprised how often it would end up refreshing as soon as it fell like 4 times in a row with low in form int). I think that everything you did was with the intention of trying to kill and I could see your strats lay out before me and I thought they were well done.

You managed to get me twice making you the only person to accomplish that feat since I entered the hero range and man did I feel like a green newbie when you got me in my guild.

I hope that some of the other villagers look at how you fought and take their tale out from between their legs. They all seem to have a totally inaccurate idea about how often pounce actually works and act like a bunch of sissies as a result.


My one question for you is did you buy your poison ingredients for the most part or harvest them from various places? I have done a number of poisoners and fought a couple besides you and they never quite seemed to manage the consistant level of potency you could. Not asking you to give up your locations I am just curious on the buy/gather question.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:53 AM
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#99557, "RE: sad to see the one of the only 2 villagers worthy o..."
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I'm sneaky like that. Yes, mind control poison is definitely wisdom and int related, as gnomes especially I failed poisoning on constantly (both ko and mind control). Many say it never failed, but I had a failure rate of about 30%. Poison resist definitely made a huge difference (Mundin can account for that), as did being a gnome, dark elf, svirfneblin.

The one thing about poisons is I can find very very powerful poisons which are difficult to get. But gives me a "one shot" at a very powerful poison attempt. I saved those for specifically resistant individuals, which may also account for those individuals saying it never failed.

Gathering was a pain. I had to limit what I gathered to most effective and quickest to get. There are some recipes for poisons which allow you to up the strength of them slightly that I took advantage of. The expense of being a trapper/poisoner is astronomical. Its not uncommon for me to blow through 200 to 300 gold in ingredients in one login.

  

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Nevaelle (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 07:58 AM
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#99542, "No big hate"
In response to Reply #17


          

I didn't really get to know you too well. You once sent me a conversative tell, but someone else spoke to me before I could respond and then you were hidden every time I tried to make contact thereafter. Which is too bad, since I had the impression you would've been interesting to talk to.

You got me slept (or I got myself slept) a number of times, but I always ended up with allies nearby, which is probably why you I survived mostly. Did you ever get me? I think maybe you did once, but I'm not sure.

As for the whole griefing debate, what you've said about stealing bags mostly makes sense, and I don't fault you for it, but the practical effect is that it makes people not want to fight you. The only part I don't buy is that RP forces you as a player to do something. You choose the character's RP. You're perfectly within your rights as a player deciding to sac a prep bag, but you need to own up to it and not blame it on your RP. That said, I don't think you were a griefer, just someone it was never worth fighting for a lot of people.

  

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BaronMySoul (inactive user)Wed 25-May-11 08:14 AM
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#99543, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
In response to Reply #17


          

If CF were POS-MUD, I could vaguely see a few points about people's complaining. It's not. CF is not all about just PK (though you did plenty of that and I can't wait to see your PBF). There are so many interesting facets of CF that go beyond just running around trying to kill people that make this a living, breathing thing.

From people you fought, you got grief. From people you were allied with, you got respect and adoration. People complain, especially vets, because they think they should be better at avoiding death and killing than they proved to be. You had strengths and weaknesses like any other player and I really feel like you had the odds stacked enormously against you. Thank you for proving what a deadly (previously thought as laughable) combo poisoner/trapper *could* be. Everything I encountered with Flaayin was top notch - RP, PK skill, ingenuity, decisiveness, etc. Great job and good luck with your next.

  

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Olum (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:20 AM
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#99547, "You will be greatly missed Drillmaster."
In response to Reply #17


          

The number of times when we (the village) would be getting kicked around by roving groups of Nexusciontresslanderals and then you would log in and we (mostly you) would completely turn the tables were many. The day Dnr ate all of those deaths and we were generally getting kicked around I was just waiting for you to ride to the rescue, but you didn't...

I'll never figure out how you moved so fast. I was sure you were behind me when we would be running from somewhere and then you had someone slept ahead of me already. I'd love to have been able to sit over your shoulder for a few logins. I'm sure I'd learn a ton.

I can't imagine a better ally, and I'm sure we'll see your name inscribed on the pillar. Feel free to roll another villager. Something tells me we are going to need it badly.

Olum

  

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NnaeshukWed 25-May-11 09:20 AM
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#99548, "It's always fun having characters like this around..."
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Without going into anything about the character, I just wanted to chime in and say that characters like this always make CF a little more interesting. They provide a bit of spice and flavor, which can be fun to watch.

I'd also like to say that it takes balls to play this kind of character and really stick to the role like you did (from what I saw). It's not easy playing a character that the majority of the MUD hates. My hats off to you for sticking it out.

Nae-nae!

  

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TwistWed 25-May-11 09:26 AM
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#99551, "From many perspectives..."
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I saw you from many perspectives, all of them enemies. I didn't like you. I didn't like seeing you on "who pk". I didn't like being unable to finish you off. I didn't like a lot of things.

Well done. None of my characters should have liked you.

I truly believe that most all of those who have posted some vitriol toward you follow this pattern: If whatever they are playing now (be it shapeshifter, paladin, whatever) was given a quest skill that allowed them to make all devices that allow magical transport on an enemy suddenly disappear, they would use it all the time.

Twist waves a hand at you and all of your potions evaporate! Even those within your containers!

Yeah I'd use that 100 times out of 100 in pk if I could, I'm thinking.

And yeah, maybe you didn't have to sacrifice the containers, you could've done get all.potion girdle, drop all.potion, and so forth...but that's not your problem, now, is it?

And as for losing all those valuable items...this is a roleplaying game. Flaaayin the character wouldn't give a crap about that. Ragers carry a bag full of spare loincloths, meat, and beer, dammit!

So yeah as much as I didn't like seeing you online...I also didn't like seeing Ahtieli online as an enemy of hers. Or Ravon. Most any potent character that is an enemy, I'd rather not see log on. Give me those nice soft level 42 elf paladins as Hunsobo, please.

So in all I wouldn't worry too much about the vitriol for all that.


All of the above said, I do have a bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism/commentary.

I've been thinking for a while now, as I watched you approach age death..."I really wish I felt like this guy was pillar-worthy, but I just don't. Maybe if he weren't ever Drillmaster, I would. If he was just a well-known and feared rager that wasn't ever in a leadership position? Maybe just an Elder or something? Yeah, I could see him on the Pillar for that."

You talk about how many guys you booted in your post and I'm not sure if you're just remembering wrong or what, but your numbers are grossly inflated. Grepping the logs I see you uninducted precisely three: Karkarrak (we'll talk about that later), Phoalex (who got back in) and Marg.

You wrote a few notes to Immortal (and likely some directly to Thror) about removing some guys too, but those were always about how those guys weren't "committed to the war" (i.e. these bastids are probably playing their alts. Screw'm). While I definitely applaud that, it isn't exactly "putting the hammer down on cowardly behavior in the Village."

And that's really the bottom line, isn't it? Flaaayin was a great rager. Courageous? Maybe, sometimes. But you don't age die a character without him looking like a coward quite frequently. Don't get me wrong. Cowardly play as a thief is smart play. I did it with Faolai. But it doesn't shine on you as pillar material, IMO. I know you took on some groups, and took down some big names. I know you entered some combat situations where a true coward would have just walked away. But so do a lot of ragers. You certainly didn't stand out among other ragers when it comes to Courage.

Back to Karkarrak for a minute. He was of course quite upset at being uninducted, and I didn't like having to force your hand, but a lot of us upstairs had gotten really tired of the blatant ganging coming from the Village over the course of about a week, week and a half. It so happened to be going down during a time when Thror was on vacation. So when we talk about how many you uninducted, yeah you pulled the trigger on him, but sorta only because I busted on you as "the spirit of a former drillmaster" for the overall crappiness of the Village and he was the next one to screw up.

It is hard being a Drillmaster (and/or Commander) because you have so many morons who just want you to boot people left and right. But that's part of the deal. As a hiding class, and one who many saw as a "griefer", you probably didn't get even a third of the complaining that a lot of DMs do. And, hell, maybe that made it harder in the long run for you to know the #### your men were doing. When a complaint like that comes from a foe that you kinda have a lot of respect for, for instance, you can at least kinda be like "Ok I definitely need to keep an eye on that rager." Then you can bust on him right away when/if he DOES screw up right in front of you. As a hiding class, it should have been a lot easier for you to witness a lack of pride and courage in your men.


Wow, I've rambled long enough. The TL/DR version? Great rager, IMO, but sub-par Drillmaster. Good luck with your next.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:14 AM
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#99558, "RE: From many perspectives..."
In response to Reply #40


          

As for uninducts, yes I was counting those which I asked to be uninducted because I never saw them. So I apologize if I'm inflating numbers there, but it was an estimation over the time of being Drillmaster.

As for the spirit of the Drillmaster, I found the interaction tasteless because you are expecting me to know everything that is going on, and see everything all the time. Everything I saw of Karrarrak until that last incident, he was on the up and up. An asshole, demanding, annoying, but holding to the "rules". It is completely unfair to expect everyone to just simply believe the enemies and know. I investigated every claim I got, and a vast majority of them turned out to be bunk.

For each and every instance where I saw it happen, I pulled the trigger. And again it is unfair for you to say you "pushed" me to pulling the trigger on Karrarrak because I pulled it after he woke someone I had slept. Which I saw and immediately acted.

Although this is ironic seeing how everyone else hated this character, I did give each villager a chance before removal. A warning always came first, because I don't like to remove the fun stick from them as players, and for that, I'm sure I wasn't as much of a hard ass as I could.

And I did watch every villager, and had other scouts and defenders reporting to me on them when I wasn't awake. I had a village network of villagers keeping tabs on other villagers, especially berserkers and especially those who had enemies file complaints against them.

As for your assessment of Drillmaster and pillar worthy. Well if that is how you see it, thats fine. This character was built around the premise of not being stupid. Take more of the enemy down than yourself. Weaken and crush them through deception not brawn, because the character doesn't have brawn. Deal with mages with the tools had. I was a different Drillmaster for sure, and if you saw that as lacking, well, I'm not going to argue with that. Ironically Thror came to me specifically around hour 350 or so and said I was doing a wonderful job as Drillmaster and gave me immortal experience to boot. No pleasing everyone I guess, and I'm okay with that.


  

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TwistWed 25-May-11 10:49 AM
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#99565, "Yeah I should quantify..."
In response to Reply #47


          

I'm not the Battle Imm, and Thror definitely runs Battle a lot differently from how I would run it. As for me being "unfair" in that interaction, you'll notice that nothing actually happened to you. Nothing negative. No -immxp, no taunting title, not even a smite. A warning to clean up the #### that was going down, though, yeah. It was my/our way of saying "You might not be seeing it, but it is definitely happening, and, fair or not, that reflects on you."

The bottom line I guess is I didn't really see you booting much of anyone for the one thing that the playerbase in general really seems to want people booted from Battle for - ganging. The one I did see, Karkarrak, was immediately after that interaction.

Oh and FWIW one other thing I really didn't like was the Drillmaster working on dividing the Village via manipulation and getting the Commander to uninduct himself. And then sending a note to Immortal that really seemed to be asking for special treatment for pulling it off. Deceptive? Definitely. Chaotic? Sure. Evil? Absolutely. Courageous, filled with Pride? Not so much.

These are, again, just my observations about you as Drillmaster. Thror was obviously happy with you, so my opinion is really just that, my opinion. And the character overall, again, very well done.

  

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TMNSWed 25-May-11 11:33 AM
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#99571, "One more thing :)"
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Flaaayin didn't manipulate me THAT well

I'd been thinking about uninducting for at least two weeks, actually. How it was done yes, Flaaayin did whatever he could to see me out of the village. He could have a myriad a role reasons and whatever he did to those affects had nothing to do with my decision.

He did screw me in the battle though by not stipulating Grime's weapons for the fight. I think he was mad I killed him

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 11:58 AM
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#99574, "RE: Yeah I should quantify..."
In response to Reply #54


          

All of that is fair and I agree with that (the interaction).

The note was actually meant to further Thror's quest. I didn't know how to get a hold of the Drow Weaponmaster of which I have had previous interactions with and arrangements. I'm not sure how much I should talk about it, so I won't but that note wasn't me asking for special treatment, it was me informing the Drow Weaponmaster of our arrangement and that it was accomplished. Had no other way of communicating that and it had been so long since he showed his head again.

I did try to do what is best for the village (in my eyes) regardless of who I stepped on. And you are absolutely right, I was a very different Drillmaster in a lot of ways. Mixing chaotic evil sphere deception with Drillmaster created quite a different ball of wax than what was usual.

Thank you for the constructive comments and again thank you for a great game and all that you do.

  

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TwistWed 25-May-11 12:13 PM
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#99578, "Oh and one other thing to keep in mind..."
In response to Reply #63


          

I've never played a Scout. My one defender was pretty much a failure (Droba). So I think it is fair to say that my perception of what/who should be on the Pillar is slanted toward the Berserker way of doing things.

That's not to say that I expected Flaaayin to act like a berserker. I think it's more a case of I expect the Drillmaster to expect berserkers to act like berserkers, maybe?

  

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TMNSWed 25-May-11 10:33 AM
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#99562, "I agree with most of this. Just one thing..."
In response to Reply #40


          

...is that Flaaayin is think was a lot tougher on the men than you give him credit for. While it's true he may have only booted 3 people, he definitely spoke with me about uninducting people who didn't play quite often. He also threatened uninduction often enough that I think it was a positive deterrant for horrible behavior.

I totally agree with you about this. "It is hard being a Drillmaster (and/or Commander) because you have so many morons who just want you to boot people left and right. But that's part of the deal." As a player, I think village and Empire are the two cabals that if you get booted, 95% of the time it's easier to just delete. So as a player, you're hoping this character will learn the lesson, take his outduction (OMG what is happening to me) with class and roleplay and stuck with it and get reinducted. However, what usually happens is the player deletes after bitching to you for hours, the other characters in the game continue to give you #### (which makes you feel like you cannot win), etc.

Do I wish I had booted more people? Yes. Is it hard for me to boot someone for behavior I never witnessed even though I had it on good authority they were breaking the rules? Yes. Just like it's hard for an Admin to be rough on someone with no role.

I personally think Flaaayin was pillar-worthy. That's just me though.

  

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Nevaelle (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 02:01 PM
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#99589, "Roleplaying vs Sportsmanship"
In response to Reply #40


          

>And yeah, maybe you didn't have to sacrifice the containers,
>you could've done get all.potion girdle, drop all.potion, and
>so forth...but that's not your problem, now, is it?
>
>And as for losing all those valuable items...this is a
>roleplaying game. Flaaayin the character wouldn't give a crap
>about that. Ragers carry a bag full of spare loincloths, meat,
>and beer, dammit!

I'm not one of the people who is hysterical about the bag looting but as I said in response to Flaayin, you can't excuse anything by saying it's RP. Because you, the player, choose the RP. He could easily have chosen an RP angle that didn't involve saccing bags.

Is he obligated to choose a sportsmanship-based RP angle? Not at all. It's CF. You have every right to choose a full-saccing and maximum taunting character if you want (Flaaying wasn't one of those). But if you do choose a role that includes something uncommonly frustrating for other players then you should buck up and accept the criticism that goes with that. Blaming RP is just a lame excuse.

  

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Bavorlian (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 03:46 PM
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#99593, "No. You need to grow up"
In response to Reply #77


          

I completely agree with what you say except that if you just wore your container he didn't do it.

It was a tactic and it was one you could very easily (that's the important bit) have countered.

  

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MoetEtChandonWed 25-May-11 03:58 PM
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#99594, "Not always, exactly for the reason you mentioned yourse..."
In response to Reply #81


          

The stuff I was wearing as Thuorn was more important than the prep bag. I'd rather have him steal my bag than that stuff.

I personally didn't care much about it. The obvious brokenness of the class was a bigger issue.

  

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Hyshrawr (Anonymous)Fri 27-May-11 03:31 AM
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#99644, "As an aged-deathed drillmaster on the pillar"
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As Hyshrawr (felar assassin) I was the Drillmaster and age died (I play a friggin lot when the CF bug has a hold of me.) and made the pillar.

That being said it was an easier time as a rager, just before the changes.

So while I don't play presently and get my current fix from reading logs and perusing the forums, I take good natured exception to an Imm I like saying that if I age died I was a wussy.

The only fight I ever backed down from was killing Trewyn (If memory serves hope I'm not butchering that.) Who was the elf commander of the village, cause it wouldn't have been a real contest.

I played more conservatively with Jugynheim but I don't think I was ever a coward even as a player in the game. Necro sleeps me and the mud crashes, I log right back on. Slept and blind. Assassin marks me I stay on for at least 3 hours as a ranger before I think about logging, cause that's cheap.

There are exceptions to every generalized rule my Twisty magic friend!

Peace!



  

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#99560, "For Flaaayin. My favorite moment of us."
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civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (3 AM) waxing none glance flaaa
Flaaayin, a male arial, is in perfect health.

Flaaayin is using:
<worn on finger> a blemished ring of gold
<worn on finger> a moss-lined ring, set with turquoise
<worn around neck> a jade pendant
<worn around neck> (Glowing) an unholy symbol of the Spider Goddess
<worn on body> (Humming) the Scales of the Crimson Dragon
<worn on head> (Glowing) a black mitre
<worn on face> a dark, avian's black leather mask
<worn on legs> colored dragonscale leggings
<worn on claws> a pair of steel-taloned boots
<worn on hands> some plated brass gauntlets
<worn on arms> a plain phylactery
<worn on wings> a pair of silver-tipped feathered ribbons
<worn about waist> the belt of strength
<worn around wrist> a wide copper bracelet
<worn around wrist> a lead bracer
<mainhand wielded> (Glowing) the weaponsmaster's scimitar
<offhand wielded> the Dagger of BATTLE

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (3 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Flaaayin.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (3 AM) waxing none sayto flaaa Yer ready?
You say to Flaaayin 'Yer ready?'

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (3 AM) waxing none aff
You are affected by:
Commune: 'bless' modifies save vs spell by -14 for 40 hours.
Commune: 'bless' modifies hit roll by 7 for 40 hours.
Power: 'resistance' modifies constitution by 3 for 13 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 3 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 3 hours.
Commune: 'armor' modifies armor class by -20 for 0 hours.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (3 AM) waxing none
The Destructor says 'Do not slay him Commander.'
You feel less armored.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none wink
You wink suggestively.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none
A cloth covered hand slips around to cover your mouth and nose.
You are forced to breathe in the poisonous vapors.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none sayto des Ah'll be gentle
In your dreams, or what?

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none
A cloth covered hand slips around to cover your mouth and nose.
You are forced to breathe in the poisonous vapors.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none cb Yer sneaky ####e.
[BATTLE] Ghrimriddor: Yer sneaky ####e.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none aff
You are affected by:
Commune: 'bless' modifies save vs spell by -14 for 39 hours.
Commune: 'bless' modifies hit roll by 7 for 39 hours.
Skill: 'mind control poison' for 16 hours.
Power: 'resistance' modifies constitution by 3 for 12 hours.
Timer: 'physical sleep protection' for 10 hours.
Skill: 'knock-out poison' for 8 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 2 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 2 hours.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none eq
You are using:
<worn on finger> a signet ring engraved with a phoenix
<worn on finger> a signet ring engraved with a phoenix
<worn around neck> (Humming) a fine stole of white ermine
<worn around neck> (Humming) a fine stole of white ermine
<worn on body> a midnight dragon hide
<worn on head> a midnight dragon skull
<worn on legs> midnight dragon leggings
<worn on feet> a pair of soft leather boots
<worn on hands> midnight dragon gauntlets
<worn on arms> midnight dragon armguards
<worn about body> a skin from the snow leopard
<worn about waist> a thick belt of woven gold
<worn around wrist> a braided silver bracer
<worn around wrist> a braided silver bracer
<mainhand wielded> (Glowing) a ceremonial mace
<offhand wielded> (Glowing) a ceremonial mace

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (4 AM) waxing none i
You are carrying:
a side of deer venison
a small branch
(Glowing) a Morning-Star named "VainGlory"
'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer
a green flail
(Humming) a long elvish mace
a cured hide sack made from the corpse of Korsulath the brass dragon
(Humming) a golden scepter
a knotted leather whip
ridged branches from a bristlecone ent
a diamond studded whip
a twined evergreen flail
a raft

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (5 AM) waxing none wield leader
In your dreams, or what?

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (5 AM) waxing none aff
You are affected by:
Commune: 'bless' modifies save vs spell by -14 for 38 hours.
Commune: 'bless' modifies hit roll by 7 for 38 hours.
Skill: 'mind control poison' for 15 hours.
Power: 'resistance' modifies constitution by 3 for 11 hours.
Timer: 'physical sleep protection' for 9 hours.
Skill: 'knock-out poison' for 7 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 1 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 1 hours.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (5 AM) waxing none nightmare

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (5 AM) waxing none nightmare

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (5 AM) waxing none ld If'n yer do wha' Borkahd did ter me when ah were sleep, ah'm kill yer.
[BATTLE LEADERS] Ghrimriddor: If'n yer do wha' Borkahd did ter me when ah were sleep, ah'm kill yer.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (6 AM) waxing none ld Jus' so yer know'n
[BATTLE LEADERS] Ghrimriddor: Jus' so yer know'n

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (6 AM) waxing none ld Finally got tha' stench from me beard
[BATTLE LEADERS] Ghrimriddor: Finally got tha' stench from me beard

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (6 AM) waxing none
Your eyes see less truly.

civilized <1197hp (100%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin's explosion mauls you.
You feel much too macho to scream about being attacked like some kind of sissy.
Flaaayin is in perfect health.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin is in perfect health.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Your searing light EVISCERATES Flaaayin!
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin suggests you to 'td'.
You stand fast against Flaaayin's suggestion.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Flaaayin is unharmed as your searing light is turned away by the Scales of the Crimson Dragon.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin's stab nearly breaks through your blocking blow.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin's kicked dirt misses you.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
The Destructor says 'you endured disease. Poison. Pain.'
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You dodge Flaaayin's stab.
You knock Flaaayin's slice harmlessly to the side.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Flaaayin.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin's kicked dirt misses you.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Flaaayin.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
Your searing light decimates Flaaayin!
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You dodge Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1175hp (98%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (7 AM) waxing none
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Flaaayin's slice EVISCERATES you!
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1136hp (94%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin's kicked dirt misses you.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1136hp (94%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin's stab maims you!
You dodge Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1102hp (92%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Hyu spots another carrier pigeon and squirms.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1102hp (92%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
Flaaayin nimbly sidesteps your searing light.
Flaaayin parries your searing light.
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
At the last moment you avoid Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1102hp (92%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin suggests you to 'td'.
You hurl aside a ceremonial mace to free your hands for punching.
You toss a ceremonial mace to the ground and grit your teeth, preparing for unarmed combat.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1102hp (92%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin's stab EVISCERATES you!
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1050hp (87%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Hyu says 'Free to go sir?'
Elgroth screams in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1050hp (87%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin gets a ceremonial mace.
Flaaayin gets a ceremonial mace.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1050hp (87%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
Flaaayin's slice MUTILATES you!
You dodge Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin's stab is unable to penetrate midnight dragon leggings.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1011hp (84%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
The Destructor nods at Hyu.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1011hp (84%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin's kicked dirt misses you.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <1011hp (84%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin's stab EVISCERATES you!
Flaaayin's slice DISMEMBERS you!
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <913hp (76%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
The Destructor says 'For now Hyu.'
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <913hp (76%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Elgroth.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <913hp (76%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Hyu smiles happily.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <913hp (76%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none grumble

Flaaayin dodges your punch.
Flaaayin knocks your punch aside before it gets near him.
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Flaaayin's slice EVISCERATES you!
You dodge Flaaayin's stab.
You dodge Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <864hp (72%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none You grumble distractedly to yourself.
The Destructor says 'I will revisit you.'
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <864hp (72%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none wield leader
You wield 'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer.
'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer feels like a part of you!
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <864hp (72%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Elgroth.
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <864hp (72%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none bone
Huh?
Flaaayin has a few scratches.

civilized <864hp (72%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin nicks a piece of your unprotected skin with his the weaponsmaster's scimitar!
Flaaayin's nicking MUTILATES you!
Flaaayin dodges your crush.
Your crush MUTILATES Flaaayin!
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin's stab devastates you!
You parry Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <795hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
[BATTLE] Hyu: I take to my hut
Flaaayin has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <795hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none bone
You swing 'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer powerfully but fail to connect with Flaaayin.
Your bone-shattering blow misses Flaaayin.
Flaaayin has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <795hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
[BATTLE] the Destructor: Hyu has left the fray of battle.
The Theran form of Hyu disappears before you.
Flaaayin has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <795hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your crush.
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
Flaaayin parries your crush.
Your crush EVISCERATES Flaaayin!
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <795hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none bone

Flaaayin parries your crush.
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Flaaayin parries your crush.
Flaaayin parries your crush.
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
You parry Flaaayin's stab.
Flaaayin has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <795hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
You can't see a thing!
Someone's kicked dirt scratches you.
Someone has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <792hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Someone closes its eyes for a moment and nods at someone.
Someone has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <792hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Someone can no longer find the strength to wield something.
Someone screams in agony as plague sores erupt from its skin.
Someone has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <792hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none You bring something around with bone-shattering force!
Someone can no longer find the strength to wield something.
Your bone-shattering blow MASSACRES someone!
Someone is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <792hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your crush.
Your punch maims someone!
Someone dodges your crush.
With a quick twist someone moves to the side of your crush.
You parry someone's slice.
Someone's slice misses you.
Someone is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <792hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Someone closes its eyes for a moment and nods at someone.
Someone is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <792hp (66%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your crush.
Someone dodges your punch.
Your punch mauls someone.
Your punch devastates someone!
Your crush EVISCERATES someone!
You dodge someone's slice.
Someone's slice EVISCERATES you!
Someone is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <749hp (62%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
[BATTLE] someone: Who is the sneaky ####e, Commander?
Someone is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <749hp (62%) 572m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (8 AM) waxing none
You rub the dirt out of your eyes.
Elgroth writhes in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Elgroth's sickness scratches him.
Flaaayin is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <758hp (63%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none say Ah like yer

Elgroth grunts something incomprehensible, not amused by his circumstances.
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Flaaayin.
Flaaayin shudders, and looks more vigorous.
Your crush DISMEMBERS Flaaayin!
Flaaayin parries your punch.
Your crush maims Flaaayin!
You dodge Flaaayin's slice.
Flaaayin's punch devastates you!
Flaaayin is gushing blood.

civilized <728hp (60%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none You say 'Ah like yer'
Flaaayin is gushing blood.

civilized <728hp (60%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
You can't see a thing!
Someone's kicked dirt scratches you.
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <726hp (60%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your crush.
Your punch MUTILATES someone!
Your crush MUTILATES someone!
Someone parries your punch.
Your crush EVISCERATES someone!
You dodge someone's slice.
Someone's punch MUTILATES you!
You knock someone's slice harmlessly to the side.
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <687hp (57%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your crush wildly.
Someone parries your punch.
Someone dodges your punch.
You dodge someone's slice.
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <687hp (57%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none grumble
You grumble distractedly to yourself.
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <687hp (57%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone suggests you to 'td'.
You put away something to free your hands for punching.
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <687hp (57%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone parries your punch.
Your punch maims someone!
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Someone parries your punch.
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Someone dodges your punch.
Someone's slice EVISCERATES you!
You dodge someone's punch.
Someone's slice devastates you!
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <609hp (50%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone says 'Break the bone Commander.'
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <609hp (50%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Someone parries your punch.
Someone parries your punch.
Someone parries your punch.
You dodge someone's slice.
Someone's slice MUTILATES you!
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <571hp (47%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none say Yer farg'n suicial
You say 'Yer farg'n suicial'
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <571hp (47%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none whe
You can't see a thing!
Someone is gushing blood.

civilized <571hp (47%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Your punch EVISCERATES someone!
Your punch wounds someone.
Someone's slice EVISCERATES you!
Someone's punch devastates you!
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <494hp (41%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none war
Huh?
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <494hp (41%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your punch.
With a quick twist someone moves to the side of your punch.
Your punch devastates someone!
Someone parries your punch.
Someone's slice MUTILATES you!
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <453hp (37%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none war
You feel much too macho to scream about being attacked like some kind of sissy.
You feel righteous as you shout 'Come then, feel da Fury o' da Frosthammer Clan! Ah ain' go'n down without ah fight!'
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your punch.
Someone parries your punch.
Someone dodges your punch.
Someone avoids your punch at the last moment.
You dodge someone's slice.
You dodge someone's punch.
You dodge someone's slice.
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone looks at someone.
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone closes its eyes for a moment and nods at someone.
Your punch devastates someone!
Someone parries your punch.
You dodge someone's slice.
You dodge someone's punch.
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none say Ah did!
You say 'Ah did!'
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone nods.
Someone is writhing in agony.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
Someone dodges your punch.
Your punch MUTILATES someone!
You dodge someone's slice.
You dodge someone's punch.
You dodge someone's slice.
Someone is convulsing on the ground.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none dirt
Someone is blinded by the dirt in its eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches someone.
Someone is convulsing on the ground.

civilized <555hp (46%) 472m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (9 AM) waxing none
You rub the dirt out of your eyes.
The poison tears your memory away.
Flaaayin wipes the dirt from his eyes.
Elgroth writhes in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Elgroth's sickness scratches him.
Flaaayin is convulsing on the ground.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin dodges your punch.
You deliver a blow of deadly force!
Your punch *** DEVASTATES *** Flaaayin!
Flaaayin is DEAD!!
Your heart nearly stops and your blood fills with hate as the Veil wanes in power!
You land the killing blow against Flaaayin.
The Dagger of BATTLE vaporizes, returning to its true owner.
Flaaayin's the Dagger of BATTLE materializes out of thin air.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none
The Destructor says 'Then let me commence.'

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none
The Destructor groans loudly.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none say Stupid git!
You say 'Stupid git!'

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none whe
People near you:
(PK) Ghrimriddor The Shrine of the BattleRagers
(PK) Karkarrak The Shrine of the BattleRagers
(PK) Elgroth The Shrine of the BattleRagers
Amnacht A Smoldering Forge

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none say Ah dinnae even try ter keep'm in place

The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at the Destructor.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none You say 'Ah dinnae even try ter keep'm in place'

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none grumble
You grumble distractedly to yourself.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none i
You are carrying:
a side of deer venison
'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer
a cured hide sack made from the corpse of Korsulath the brass dragon
a raft

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none l
The Shrine of the BattleRagers
The path through the village comes to the door of this large structure and
goes no further. It is dim inside, adding to the feeling of presence that
surrounds you as you enter; what little light there is seems somehow
focused on the large throne centered within. At the base of this huge dais
are strewn the skulls of hundreds of defeated mages. Those found just
at the base of the heap are ancient and polished, their ivory giving the
ground a snowy look, while those at the top are less decorative; hair
skin, and mummified, putrefied flesh still clings to the newest additions.
An iron spike protrudes from the ground in front of this potent seat, a
spike that holds the focus of all the barbarians' hatred- the rotted and
decayed head of that first mage to betray those he created. It is here
that one can give praise to the Immortal Warlords of Battle, for it is from
this mighty throne room that each of them leads the courageous BattleRagers.

A massive tablet of stone hangs here.

[Exits: east]
The bludgeoned corpse of Flaaayin lies here.
The dagger of a leader lies here.
A deep pit has been dug here into the ground.
A throne of thatched wood with a base of polished skulls, stands here.
Elgroth is here.
Karkarrak is here.
The Destructor of magic is here, daring you to cast a spell.
(White Aura) A healer is here tending to the wounded.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none eat side
You finish eating a side of deer venison.
You feel completely full.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none l i corpse
The corpse of Flaaayin contains:
a dark, avian's black leather mask
(Glowing) a black mitre
a moss-lined ring, set with turquoise
a jade pendant
a set of fine crystal lockpicks
a pair of silver-tipped feathered ribbons
a wide copper bracelet
a cowhide knapsack
a model ship
a blemished ring of gold
an ichor drenched emerald knife
some plated brass gauntlets
(Glowing) the dagger of Yog-Sothoth
(Glowing) an unholy symbol of the Spider Goddess
(Humming) the Scales of the Crimson Dragon
a plain phylactery
a lead bracer
colored dragonscale leggings
a pair of steel-taloned boots
a metal canteen insulated in a wolf's pelt
vambraces of dragonscales
the belt of strength
(Glowing) the weaponsmaster's scimitar
(Glowing) some glowing mushroom dust
a crude stone bola
a vial filled with silver liquid
a vial filled with blue liquid
( 3) a vial filled with black liquid
some broken shards of cultivated crystal
some barbed needles of adamantite
a thin glass bottle of acidic secretion
( 2) (Glowing) a ceremonial mace
226 gold coins
61 silver coins
166 copper coins

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none
Karkarrak peers iinto the corpse of Flaayian, licking at his lips.

civilized <562hp (46%) 476m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (10 AM) waxing none
Elgroth writhes in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Elgroth's sickness scratches him.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Elgroth looks tougher.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Karkarrak says 'That...Lots...Of...Shiny..Gold.'

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin has arrived.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get ceremonial corpse
You get a ceremonial mace from the corpse of Flaaayin.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get ceremonial corpse
You get a ceremonial mace from the corpse of Flaaayin.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin gets a dark, avian's black leather mask from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a black mitre from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a moss-lined ring, set with turquoise from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a jade pendant from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a set of fine crystal lockpicks from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a pair of silver-tipped feathered ribbons from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a wide copper bracelet from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a cowhide knapsack from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a model ship from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a blemished ring of gold from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets an ichor drenched emerald knife from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets some plated brass gauntlets from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets the dagger of Yog-Sothoth from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets an unholy symbol of the Spider Goddess from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets the Scales of the Crimson Dragon from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a plain phylactery from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a lead bracer from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets colored dragonscale leggings from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a pair of steel-taloned boots from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a metal canteen insulated in a wolf's pelt from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets vambraces of dragonscales from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets the belt of strength from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets the weaponsmaster's scimitar from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets some glowing mushroom dust from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a crude stone bola from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a vial filled with silver liquid from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a vial filled with blue liquid from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a vial filled with black liquid from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets some broken shards of cultivated crystal from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a vial filled with black liquid from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets some barbed needles of adamantite from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a thin glass bottle of acidic secretion from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets a vial filled with black liquid from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets 226 gold coins from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets 61 silver coins from the corpse of Flaaayin.
Flaaayin gets 166 copper coins from the corpse of Flaaayin.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none growl
Huh?

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin holds a vial filled with black liquid in his hands.
Flaaayin wields the weaponsmaster's scimitar.
Flaaayin wears the belt of strength about his waist.
Flaaayin wears vambraces of dragonscales on his arms.
Flaaayin wears a pair of steel-taloned boots on his claws.
Flaaayin wears colored dragonscale leggings on his legs.
Flaaayin wears a lead bracer around his left wrist.
Flaaayin wears the Scales of the Crimson Dragon on his body.
Flaaayin wears an unholy symbol of the Spider Goddess around his neck.
Flaaayin wears some plated brass gauntlets on his hands.
Flaaayin wears a blemished ring of gold on his left finger.
Flaaayin wears a cowhide knapsack about his body.
Flaaayin wears a wide copper bracelet around his right wrist.
Flaaayin wears a jade pendant around his neck.
Flaaayin wears a moss-lined ring, set with turquoise on his right finger.
Flaaayin wears a black mitre on his head.
Flaaayin wears a dark, avian's black leather mask on his face.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none growl
Huh?

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
The Destructor grunts something incomprehensible, not amused by its circumstances.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none growl
Huh?

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Karkarrak.
Karkarrak shudders, and looks more vigorous.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin gets the Dagger of BATTLE.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none sayto flaaa Steal'n me ####e?
You say to Flaaayin 'Steal'n me ####e?'
Flaaayin stops using a vial filled with black liquid.
Flaaayin dual wields the Dagger of BATTLE.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Elgroth.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none grumble
You grumble distractedly to yourself.

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin says 'In the pit.'

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none i
You are carrying:
( 2) (Glowing) a ceremonial mace
'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer
a cured hide sack made from the corpse of Korsulath the brass dragon
a raft

civilized <592hp (49%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.
You feel better!

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
Flaaayin sits down and rests.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none l i pit
When you look inside, you see it is fairly empty.
A deep pit contains:
a small branch
a twined evergreen flail
ridged branches from a bristlecone ent
(Humming) a long elvish mace
(Glowing) a Morning-Star named "VainGlory"
a green flail
a knotted leather whip
a diamond studded whip
(Humming) a golden scepter
(Glowing) a shimmering ornate silver scepter
(Humming) the spider axe
(Humming) a blacksmith's forge hammer
midnight dragon armguards
a midnight dragon skull
a shield from the hide of a snow worm
(Glowing) a short mithril-shod staff named 'Dawnbringer'
a living Boa Constrictor
midnight dragon boots
a small black skeleton key
a gem-tipped spear
a stone baton
a wedge-shaped key
a dragon key

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a small branch from A deep pit.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Flaaayin.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a twined evergreen flail from A deep pit.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get ridged branches from a bristlecone ent from A deep pit.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a long elvish mace from A deep pit.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a Morning-Star named "VainGlory" from A deep pit.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a green flail from A deep pit.

civilized <619hp (51%) 497m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (11 AM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a knotted leather whip from A deep pit.

Autosaving.
You feel a sudden rush of knowledge.
Elgroth writhes in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Elgroth's sickness scratches him.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none i
You are carrying:
a knotted leather whip
a green flail
(Glowing) a Morning-Star named "VainGlory"
(Humming) a long elvish mace
ridged branches from a bristlecone ent
a twined evergreen flail
a small branch
( 2) (Glowing) a ceremonial mace
'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer
a cured hide sack made from the corpse of Korsulath the brass dragon
a raft

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Karkarrak snickers softly.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Flaaayin says 'I was not the one with direction to not kill me.'

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none l i pit
When you look inside, you see it is fairly empty.
A deep pit contains:
a diamond studded whip
(Humming) a golden scepter
(Glowing) a shimmering ornate silver scepter
(Humming) the spider axe
(Humming) a blacksmith's forge hammer
midnight dragon armguards
a midnight dragon skull
a shield from the hide of a snow worm
(Glowing) a short mithril-shod staff named 'Dawnbringer'
a living Boa Constrictor
midnight dragon boots
a small black skeleton key
a gem-tipped spear
a stone baton
a wedge-shaped key
a dragon key

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Flaaayin winks suggestively.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Flaaayin stands up.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Flaaayin applies a field dressing to his wounds.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a diamond studded whip from A deep pit.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a golden scepter from A deep pit.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none get 1. pit
You get a shimmering ornate silver scepter from A deep pit.
Karkarrak says 'Karkarrak...Goes...To...War.'

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Elgroth says 'The scabs, pretty ain't they?'

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none i
You are carrying:
(Glowing) a shimmering ornate silver scepter
(Humming) a golden scepter
a diamond studded whip
a knotted leather whip
a green flail
(Glowing) a Morning-Star named "VainGlory"
(Humming) a long elvish mace
ridged branches from a bristlecone ent
a twined evergreen flail
a small branch
( 2) (Glowing) a ceremonial mace
'Mana Crusher', Ooqogar's Hammer
a cured hide sack made from the corpse of Korsulath the brass dragon
a raft

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Karkarrak puts a polished mithril girth in A deep pit.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none l i pit
When you look inside, you see it is fairly empty.
A deep pit contains:
a polished mithril girth
(Humming) the spider axe
(Humming) a blacksmith's forge hammer
midnight dragon armguards
a midnight dragon skull
a shield from the hide of a snow worm
(Glowing) a short mithril-shod staff named 'Dawnbringer'
a living Boa Constrictor
midnight dragon boots
a small black skeleton key
a gem-tipped spear
a stone baton
a wedge-shaped key
a dragon key

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Karkarrak gets a side of deer venison from a large sack.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
The Destructor says 'Elgroth. Let the fire in your veins cleanse you.'

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Karkarrak finishes eating a side of deer venison.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
The healer closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Flaaayin.

civilized <644hp (53%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (12 PM) waxing none
Elgroth writhes in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Elgroth's sickness scratches him.

civilized <662hp (55%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (1 PM) waxing none
Elgroth's face becomes bright red as steam rises from his brow.

civilized <662hp (55%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (1 PM) waxing none
Flaaayin looks more enlightened.

civilized <662hp (55%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (1 PM) waxing none sayto flaaa Lad, yer act'n like me there...nah runn'n when yer shoulda
You say to Flaaayin 'Lad, yer act'n like me there...nah runn'n when yer shoulda'

civilized <662hp (55%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (1 PM) waxing none snicker
You snicker softly.

civilized <662hp (55%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (1 PM) waxing none
Elgroth grins evilly.

civilized <662hp (55%) 502m 1160mv 24350tnl (-26.49%)> (1 PM) waxing none
Flaaayin nods.





Haha

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:10 PM
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#99577, "And right after that..."
In response to Reply #49


          

You didn't show how you scalped me because I wanted the ton of gold that was on my head, which was the reason I died to you in the first place. No one was going to claim the gold on me but me to fund my own trap addiction.

Thanks for being an interesting character, great ally, and a wonderful person to roleplay with.

  

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TMNSThu 26-May-11 10:04 PM
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#99640, "Yeah it was like 250 gold lol."
In response to Reply #66


          

Which I then gave to you. I had dreams of gambling it all though, I won't lie.

Be happy. Even if you don't make the pillar, this was on the short list of my favorite BATTLE chars of all time. You made my pillar

  

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Volker (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:45 AM
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#99563, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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Flaaayin has never actually killed Volker, except that time during the retrieval when Volker died to 4 other ragers + Flaaayin. It wasn't due to any use of suggest, either. Volker is not an arial, so you can't suggest inherent flight. But I'll grant that you disabled me for such long periods that I just didn't want to fight you at all. When I saw you logged on, I knew my login would not be fun. I also knew that I wouldn't be able to kill you - though that one time I did kill you when you didn't have the head with an immolation was not satisfying. I had to sit in the Chasm for 50 hours waiting out the poison (50 hours on a poison-resist demi-elemental transcendence invoker is wonky.) and couldn't do anything. I ended up surfing the internet and waiting to quit.

I hadn't posted anything on the forums here or on QHCF attacking you specifically. I'm not sure who you think plays Volker. You were pretty good that one time I did die in the village, and didn't take almost everything. I don't think you were a griefer. But the skills need to be changed, if you don't think they do, wait till you play someone who has to fight a skilled thief using those poisons/traps. It's just plain annoying, and if you insist on fighting with those poisons/traps on you, you suffer the risk of dying. If you don't want to die, you have to run when the poisons hit. I know Artificial hates you (and I don't) but his analogy of the rabid raccoon is somewhat accurate. A slippery little thief is dangerous in a rather humiliating way - because he is such a weak little creature, who can't actually kill you if you don't get baited, but he inconveniences you.

Also, I am quite curious as to who your ex-characters were, if you do not mind posting them.

  

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TMNSWed 25-May-11 11:36 AM
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#99573, "Think he may have been talking about Volkov!"
In response to Reply #52


          

Curse you both for making similar named similarly built chars!

  

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HopelessdwarfWed 25-May-11 10:45 AM
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#99564, "Great Character"
In response to Reply #17


          

Played with you as Throthgor and you really impressed me with your ability to seal kills and be a defender. I don't think I ever worried about patches when I was running around getting the snot beaten out of me.

While on the flip side I never fought you directly but I did have to deal with your uncanny ability to make midbie ragers 5 times stronger with your great patch work yet again.

I'll disagree with Twist about your status on the pillar, I think you should be there. Each character on the pillar did something unique in their own way that made them a: terror, strong leader or just a bad ass that did something really gusty. I think you fit two of those three if not all three. You were a defender, thief, poisoner, trapper, you shouldn't con die, you should be a nasty bastard till the day your die.

Good luck with your next.

  

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Sivyh (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:57 AM
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#99566, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
In response to Reply #17


          

>Sivyh: Good interactions. I never really hunted you with the
>full force I could have.

Not sure it would have mattered. There was really no upside to my engaging you without a gang, so I didn't.

>That last time where you came in and ruined my little trap fir
>Ististin made me angry so I came after you.

That was actually a mistake. I was intending to enter my guild but took one step too many on Trade Road before going north.

btw, if I remember correctly the one time you had me knocked out my container was stolen despite not being magical. I understand why, but let's not give the impression you only stole magical ones.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:06 PM
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#99575, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
In response to Reply #55


          

Countering poisons = Quaggoth, resist poison shin pads, green dragon hide, being a resistant to poison race, all of those worked very well actually despite the comments.

Countering traps = If you have two people, you send in one person to clear traps and recall out if needed. This was done a number of times by Aelo/Kariya and other Nexans, and was very effective. If one person, don't be predictable when attempting to regain your item or raid to get ours. Normally I'm no where near the village and even if I am and have not been prepping the room with traps, it takes me a long time to set up traps to cause what you described. Raid quickly and unexpectantly and you will get your item back with minimal resistance. Scions did this especially well.

  

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Aelozzosot (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 01:28 PM
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#99586, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
In response to Reply #64


          

"Countering poisons = Quaggoth, resist poison shin pads, green dragon hide, being a resistant to poison race, all of those worked very well actually despite the comments."

Just to comment on countering poisons: as a poison resistant race, and with poison resistance forms, this was certainly not the way I felt about poison resistance's effectiveness.

I still felt very vulnerable to being KO'd, and rarely felt like resistance was doing much of anything to actually change the dynamic between us. I would estimate you were landing better than 50% of any given inhalation attempts, despite resistance?

I mean, if resistance was taking success down from 80% to 50%, for characters that couldn't hold you in place, or see hidden to pursue, that doesn't change how our encounters are going to play out. And pretty much all mages fell into that category. The success rate was still high enough that with a couple attempts, it was going to work for you.

I might have felt different if I were playing a giant or a duergar or something that could bash you down and take advantage of the increased fail rate, but I wasn't, and so for my character (and maybe some of the others who hated to see you logged on) the chance of success vs. risk to yourself ratio you had against us felt unbalanced, and it really was basically Quaggoth or bust.

  

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QuixoticWed 25-May-11 10:59 AM
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#99567, "You sure could fubar groups and individuals."
In response to Reply #17


          

Raiding & Retrieval was significantly altered when you were around, and people's complete inability to prevent your flee/ko tactics made you scary even in the rare event they could initiate combat without first hitting your traps.

How would you have countered Flaaayin's tactics, beyond wearing your prep bag? I know in trying to retrieve against you, I was glowing, crippled, boneshattered, poisoned and impaled before I ever got to the giant--it was like coming out of a rough fight before the fight actually began.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:06 PM
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#99576, "See under Sivyh post above n/t"
In response to Reply #56


          

n/t

  

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Marcus_Wed 25-May-11 11:30 AM
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#99570, "Don't mind the haters. Good char. nt"
In response to Reply #17


          

nt

  

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MoetEtChandonWed 25-May-11 11:33 AM
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#99572, "Still, that's exactly what I thought about the characte..."
In response to Reply #17
Edited on Wed 25-May-11 11:41 AM

          

Imho, anyone who says the character was balanced, is smoking some potent stuff. Perhaps it's the sort of 'not balanced' like a Lich, it's _meant_ to be that way, but, it's pretty ridiculous... Things just never seemed to fail and were more potent (yes, slightly) than their counterpart, while lasting 2/3 of a day or waaay longer and being incurable (yes, unless you have a healer or other poisoner ally nearby, but that's really not that often). So, on to the more realistic solution ...

> Yes, I used the Quaggoth as a draw to find people to pk.

Maybe, but especially to cover your one weakness. So, pretty powergamey, if you ask me.

To summarize, it's your perogative to play this, and you did it exceptionally well, kudos on that, but the mechanics behind it are just silly. So, your subject does sum it up nicely.

-Thuorn

  

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Sikkak (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:40 PM
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#99582, "Awesome"
In response to Reply #17


          

I found only excellent, albeit evil, roleplay, and when I raided with you, an effective, but not insanely overpowered character. Truly enjoyed talking to you IC, you did a great job. Loved raiding nexus with you. The two of us would take a long time finishing, but dammit we'd finish, no matter what. Great character.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 12:57 PM
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#99583, "RE: Awesome"
In response to Reply #72


          

Yes, I was horrible at raiding cabals. Second attack only, no big damage, it took me ages to raid and take an item. With you at least it took a little bit less than ages . You are a great presence in the village and keep up the good work. Maybe some day your tigerclaw will actually succeed .

  

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Bavorlian (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 03:19 PM
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#99592, "My most deadly enemy"
In response to Reply #17


          

Flaaayin was someone I never wanted to fight, because I knew it would never end well for me. However, I did enjoy having you as a nemesis because it forced me to come out of my comfort zone -- since you were wanted and my role-play dictates that I would attempt to do something about that.

When you sacced my container, I had no problem with it at all, since I was indeed trying to get my potions out of it and wondering what the hell had happened to them. Then I saw my stuff on the floor but I couldn't use my aliases to grab the stuff and so on. So tactically I completely understand why you did it. Also, you left all my non-magic contents alone after I eventually had to bail, which demonstrated to me that you were not out to grief me. The downside was that I nearly starved to death because I couldn't gather another container properly when under all your poisons and barely made it to a food source before I ran out of moves.

However, there was a reason I didn't wear my container, and that's because I didn't want you stealing what I was wearing instead of the container.

That fight in the High Lord's was exciting too (despite me having no skills and relying entirely on gear), since that was the only one where the rng almost won the day for me. I did ask the other person involved to mental jolt me when they were attacked, so that I could word them and then take you on before the forget kicked in. Unfortunately they panicked and their only spell was to word themselves. Then forget kicked in and we know what happened from there. I was equally to blame for dying because I was ready with "get 1.;wi 1." in the command buffer, but I removed it literally the second before you made me throwdown in order to ready a spell because forget was soon to wear off. Then I mistyped and grabbed 2. instead of 1., forget kicked in without a break from the previous effect, and it was all over. Thanks for returning the vast majority of my gear. The little bit of regearing necessary gave me the chance to show the other guy a few new places in the mud so it was time well spent. And the irony is, that was the first fight I had with you when I was wearing a container and it had all the potions I could possibly want in it, and you fled for long enough for me to use them. But instead I typed murder and blew that chance.

I really liked the way you wove the Quaggoth into your role. Unfortunately when you jumped that mage in there I was just typing in a suggestion that one of us stand guard outside while the other got the Quaggoth to the verge of death, precisely to prevent an ambush by you. But you got there first.

So having given all the props to the character, I have to say "bleh to poisons". Normal poisons don't affect me much because of various edges and cures. Your poisons worked on me all the time. It's like they don't all count as being poison or something, but at the same time, they do seem to, because immunity to poison works. It feels like something is broken to me, which is not to take anything away from you because you were indeed deadly in my eyes and not at all a tool.

It was also good to see that the villager with the greatest opportunity to create situations in which to gang did not do this from what I saw, whereas others were finding every excuse to gank. For me, the highlight was defending alone against three outlanders and having Jikahl run in and jump me when I was deafened (by spirit howl), plagued and low on mana, then having to listen to some incredibly bizarre tells. And while the beserker does this, the defender pounds me solo over and over.

  

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Oringus (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 09:20 PM
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#99603, "I found you incredibly frustrating"
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And I think that's where most of the angst comes from. Hell, I could SEE you and I couldn't really do anything, and that's saying a lot coming from a duergar polearm spec. That one time I came after you in Galadon was because I figured "#### it, I'm sick of dancing around this, lets see what happens", and of course I got knocked out by a trap, mind controlled, and lost all of my weapons and containers. That part I didn't mind, I know why you did it, you would be a fool to leave a polearm spec his weapons as a thief if you planned on fighting him, and I knew that you did it because you wanted to FIGHT me and not just mess with me.

And I just knew that if a duergar polearm spec was that frustrated, then the rest of the playerbase was probably literally tearing their hair out when they knew you were online. What added to the frustration was that I knew that you were a good player and the chances were very unlikely that there would not be traps around if I were to spot you. So my options boiled down to: A) Run in, hope nothing fires, and then run away like a pansy when I'm under the affect of forget or B) Just avoid you. Obviously, I opted for B, since Quog blood wasn't really an option for me most of the time.

I think most of the ire comes from the the mechanics of your class/build, and not the player itself. You were never pompous or vindictive when you knew you had the upper hand, but the combo just made it "un-fun" for the rest of us. I don't blame you, I don't blame the imms, it's just the way it came out.

As far as your statements about the misinformation about your paths? I never saw anything like that, nor did I even think something shady was going on. It seemed to me from the start that you went all out in two paths and discarded every other possible skill. Perhaps I just ignored the posts about it on Dio's or here or wherever it was where people were complaining about that specifically.

Kudos to you for trying something different and succeeding with it. The funny thing is, I don't think a lot of people will try to copycat it since it seems like you had to give up a lot of very nice skills to achieve what you wanted.

GLWYN

  

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GryshilniarThu 26-May-11 12:22 AM
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#99609, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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I apologize if I played a role in incorrectly? spreading the info that your traps stacked. I was pretty darn sure that I ate a double boneshatter from walking into two separate traps, and I pretty vehemently disagree with the duration and potency of some (regardless of how hard it is - i don't think stepping into a room with no possibility of avoidance should = 0% chance of winning) but I don't have the log to prove it or the desire to waste precious time looking for it. From the sounds of it you had fun and you obviously shouldn't be apologetic about things out of your control. I don't feel so bad since I padded your PK ratio a fair amount due to my recklessness.

Best of luck to you.

  

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Ghurn (Anonymous)Thu 26-May-11 01:33 AM
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#99610, "RE: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Fat chance..."
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Damn. You were one of the only people I always looked forward to seeing around. You pulled some slick moves and impressed me on a number of occasions... I'm kind of inspired to try a poisoner or trapper now

Best of luck on your next.

  

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IreliaThu 26-May-11 06:14 PM
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#99635, "I actually liked Flaaayin..."
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I really liked Flaaayin, though he was a evil soul..You actually helped change Irelia's thoughts when dealing with the Fortress. The whole bandage thing with the outer if you remember. Don't let some of the masses instill such a negative note to a rather successful character. You took a well overlooked combo and misunderstood comb and made it look good..

  

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OldrilTue 24-May-11 09:29 PM
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#99513, "Great char!"
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Was this Yhorian? Great char whoever it was. Don't listen to team haterade.

  

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TeslineTue 24-May-11 09:17 PM
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#99512, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Now who is going to chase my tribbies around with my guards and still kill me? Flaaayin was badass to every extent there is. I dont know why people hated you and I REALLY dont know where the 50 hours neuro poison I only got hit by at the very most 8-10 hours from you. Traps 10-13 hour impale/boneshatter was funny. You did amazing and I REALLY hope to see you make something just as amazing. The better you are and the more awesome you are the more people are going to hate you and complain. Just let all their comlaining be a testiment to your characters awesomeness GLWYN (Oh and i love thieves mostly cause i play for fun and gear doesnt matter).

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

  

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Zun (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 08:49 PM
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#99511, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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I loved Flaaayin. Spectacular job with him. I knew you with another character as well. I didn't feel the backside of the long durations people complain of but I think its a testament to the player that you made a class that not many people played well and made it suddenly OP. I enjoyed your RP too. I thought my first interaction with you as an app was awesome for a Drillmaster. It was a short conversation but it definitely made me look to work hard to impress. Well done.

  

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Volker (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 08:47 PM
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#99510, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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I hated fighting you - not because I actually thought you were dangerous, but because it was so annoying dealing with poisons. When poisoned with MC/neuro, I would just teleport and wait 30 hours. Imagine my dismay when that last encounter at the Chasm you hit me with a neuro that lasted 50 hours. I'm fairly certain Flaaayin doesn't go to Hell, so it was some rather ordinary ingredients that did 50 hours.

Also, locking me in the Elemental Temple was one nasty move - especially since I had to quit. I know it's well within your rights, but had the crash not come I would've been forced to drop link, and I wonder then if you would have lodged a complaint to the IMMs.

  

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MurphyWed 25-May-11 12:10 PM
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#99515, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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>I'm fairly certain Flaaayin doesn't go to Hell

He can make up for it now. Seventh circle!

  

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Sarto (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 08:46 PM
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#99509, "I gotta be honest, it was a pain, but"
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I never felt griefed. Sure, knock out, steal some things, sacrifice a magical container, but it was methodical. There wasn't a multi-kill that I knew of unless it was in a raiding/retrieving situation. Even regular interactions were civil/interesting.

I didn't really know you much because I hadn't had a char in a little while, but I really liked Flaaayin as an enemy. And here I had just started to figure out how to fight you, or at least not die quite so readily!

Hope you had fun with the char though. I'm curious how much time you ended up having to spend just gathering trap/poison items! Those traps were an enormous pain in the rear, and the neurological poison lasted a good while. Some of those traps were just ridiculous!

Anyway, liked the char, GLWYN

  

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ibukiTue 24-May-11 07:44 PM
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#99505, "Flaaayin was the worst character I ever interacted with..."
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You seemed to go out of your way to make the game as miserable as possible for as many people as you could.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:18 AM
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#99559, "RE: Flaaayin was the worst character I ever interacted ..."
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Sorry you felt that way. Was not my intention to make this game miserable.

  

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Aelozzosot (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 07:41 PM
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#99504, "Whew, about time."
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Such a difference maker for the Village and thorn in my side, especially back during the days when our playtimes were overlapping for hours at a time, every day.

You made defending raids on the Isle so much harder, and retrieving from the Village so much harder, and it definitely felt like every Villager was strutting around with a bit more (and sometimes obnoxiously more) swagger in their step when you were on. A good example of what I would imagine a defender should be: you made the Village as a whole stronger by far than any of the beefy warriors ever did.

That said, and this isn't your fault, just the mechanics of my character vs your character, it was never fun as a player to fight you. There was never any chance I was going to kill you, so you were free to take shots at me whenever you found me, and if I didn't have immunity each of those shots held a reasonable chance of ending in my death.

So, I've been waiting a long time to see this chapter of Village history closed, and I'm not at all sad to see you go, but take it all as a complement since it's because you were so effective at what you did.

  

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Allysia (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 07:37 PM
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#99503, "I always said time was the only thing that would kill y..."
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To me this is actually funny for a few of reasons. One because you had 620 hours. Two because it just seems fitting. The village loses you, and the Island loses me, within the span of a day. For different reasons, but still. Three, I think I was a direct opposite of you in a lot of ways.

You far and away were the scariest, deadliest villager I saw in my time, where as Allysia is about as scary as a flower. And you multiplied the strength of the village a lot, but the drawback was they did not have a lot without you, to the point they could barely raid when you were not around, but when you were it was so difficult to stop you or retrieve. At least for me.

As to your char.
I HATED Flaaayin. With a passion. I hated being knocked out. I hated being robbed. I hated waiting out trap effects. And most of all, as I told you, I hated not having a very good way to ever actually deal with you. So I essentially just stopped bothering. Which was poor form on my part, but I simply did not enjoy the log ins dealing with you after a certain point. Geting PK'd is fine. Dealing with all that other crap just got tedious to me.

As to the player, I am glad you toned down a lot of the things people complained about, or at least seemed to. I even logged where you said something that surprised me, but I won't post that because that's something for you to say if you want to. But to me it gave me the slightest glimpse into the person behind this char not being the jerk everyone said he was. After that, I actually kind of began to like your char.

I will just say this in summation. I respect what you did, even if I don't know that I could ever play like you did. I can't fault you for actually having the balls to RP a char that would be so hated. And you did have RP. I knew it. You and I ranked up a the same time, and probably had more encounters than I wanted to. It took coaxing to get you to say much, which really I get since I am someone you want to kill, but it was there.

Ultimately, from a purely objective standpoint, Flaaayin was an impressive character. Your allies loved you. Everyone else hated you. And I am sure that is exactly what you went for. But I am sure the PB is glad to see him gone, and hopefully whatever you roll next will not have some of the more negative mannerisms, and just be one of those beloved deadly SOBs, villager or no.

GL. Though with your obviious skills, I doubt you'll need it.

  

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Flaaayin (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 10:27 AM
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#99561, "RE: I always said time was the only thing that would ki..."
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Hah. Feel free to post what I said, because I don't remember it. It cannot hurt the situation for sure . My roleplay as hated wasn't hard to do, because I was hated already. I just didn't try to combat that view of the character. I did not set out to be hated but well, it just happened. In character I found the "hated" part entertaining and fed into it ONLY by words. After hero'ing I stopped doing a lot of things people were angry about, but it didn't really matter as the ball was already rolling and the decision was already made.

As for talking to other characters, a vast majority of it was just endless OOC vitrol, so I avoided conversations usually. The things people said to me would make a hard core biker gang member blush.

  

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Allysia (Anonymous)Wed 25-May-11 11:15 AM
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#99568, "RE: I always said time was the only thing that would ki..."
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I'll post the log when I find it.

I got a bit of that OOC stuff from villagers and applicants, (nowehere near what you got I am sure). Lots from ones who were so young that I had never even met them before. But I always tried to talk to people, even the people that hated me. And ultimately, it pays off with a lot of players. It's hard to hate someone who is sort of nice to you, even as an enemy. I remember the first time I ever got a tell from Syther (sorry Syther's player, not meaning anything bad by saying this but this helps make a point), after he was named commander. I had no idea who he even was, had never seen him before really. I believe he called me a string of adjectives whore and a few other unkind things. Then he told me to crawl off and die or something. But rather than ignore him or tell him f*** off I tried to chat with him, and by the end I think he was civil.

Most people's perception gets formed from what they hear from others and what they see (sadly on forums too) and the only way to really combat that is one player at a time IC. Maybe it would not work as well for Flaaayin as it does for Allysia, but then again a chaotic evil DM should not be as nice as a wood elf bard so I think your RP sort of pinned you into it.

  

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HomardTue 24-May-11 07:35 PM
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#99502, "It was an honor playing alongside you."
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I know that there's a ####storm of hatred toward this character, but
playing alongside you was absolutely amazing.

Anyone who thinks Flaaayin had no RP clearly missed out on one of the
finest characters of the Fifth Age.

And, to echo Sam, you made a joke combo feared more than any other
character in the game.

Well done.

  

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ArtificialTue 24-May-11 08:04 PM
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#99506, ""feared" is sort of an awkward word to use."
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preface: flaaayin never killed me on any of my chars. he came close once when he ganged me (I was alone).

I am "afraid" of being bitten by an animal with rabies, like a raccoon.

Am I afraid I'll die from it? no, I know to get treated for rabies. Theres a chance the wound could get infected, but I am not overly worried about that.

The "fear" comes from not wanting to go to the hospital and get treated for rabies, and also having to pay for it, and wasting a ton of time at the hospital, etc.

So when I go out to play ball with my friends and theres a rabid raccoon on the field, we arent going to play. Not out of fear of the raccoon killing us, but out of desire to avoid having to deal with the repercussions if we are bitten.

  

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LightmageTue 24-May-11 08:13 PM
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#99507, "Ok that made me laugh...n/t"
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n/t

Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man.

  

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StunnaTue 24-May-11 11:03 PM
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#99519, "Nice analogy. nt"
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nope

  

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wikatawSun 05-Jun-11 09:24 AM
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#99873, "Dude, you fear the racoon and his leet squirrel friends..."
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nt

Quote "I secretly wish you would get raped or something. I feel like I lose IQ points everytime I look at it." Gaplemo

  

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Zorg (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 06:05 PM
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#99498, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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NO RP and just Plain Annoying character, never been so happy in my life! (claps)

  

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witness (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 06:31 PM
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#99499, "Rantings of a mage"
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Might just have been flaaayin's last mage kill, be happy!

  

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Woe be Battle n/t (Anonymous)Tue 24-May-11 05:28 PM
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#99496, "RE: (AGE DEATH) [BATTLE] Flaaayin the Harlequin Hated b..."
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n/t

  

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TMNSTue 24-May-11 05:22 PM
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#99495, "Just a superb job."
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No-magic half poisoner half trapper?

AND YOU MADE IT FEARED!

Just simply amazing. I won't say who I think (99% sure) this is, but it was nice to be on the same side for once. Your wit is...interesting

You made Ghrim a lot easier. In a lot of ways, it was bad for the commander to take such a back seat to the Drillmaster in discipline, but I was worried that players would take it the wrong way if I came down hard on them. You were a fantastic Drillmaster.

Good Luck with your next.

  

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