Thats just it, along with you I obviously have no one size fits all answer for simplifying cabal induction.

I only wish that it was simpler. I was trying to provide suggestions to simplify the process but even as I laid out the idea for a vote, I realized that it could mechanically be abused and hey - that sucks.

I agree with you that it would be hard to make a judgement call on when to use the "demote a leader stick" nor would that ever be a call I wanted to make.

I do however, have a reaver ap that I put on hold when I noticed Icilio had been missing for about 2 weeks. My poor lil ap is still lvl 13 and is still sitting on the back burner, friggin anti-horde code nabbed the 1 limited item he had .

Now, if there had been an active leader, that char would have likely taken off, I am just not motivated to put the effort in unless I see a light at the end of the tunnel. To quote NBM "Too much squeezing for too little juice"

Thank you for replying to me though, as it shows me that you guys are in fact considering this issue, and have given it some thought. I think it may improve general player morale if cabals were more accessible/easier to get into. Granted, some of them need to be policed because of the power gained (HEYO DEATHBLOW!!!) but, I'd rather face some griefer lowbie villager...than a 4 week wait to get into a cabal.