When I say I don't try to win CF, I mean that I'm okay with not going 200-0, being leadered and tattooed, with Silent Tower and Hell gear on every character. I'm okay with taking punches in the mouth. I play the game with what it gives me.

So, no, it's not really as strange as you're making it out to be. I don't define winning the same way you do; as in, pk'ing other people. I don't see someone else getting a quest form and kicking ass with it as them winning CF. Because, ya know, you CAN'T win CF. That's kind of what that whole meme is about. I don't think someone who has a cool skill or spell and has killed me with it has won CF. I think they've pk'd me, and I've been pk'd before. I'll be pk'd again. Often it'll be my fault, sometimes it won't, but that some other well played character was able to kill me a little easier isn't really going to splash piss in my Cheerios.

When I say I get killed by something unique, and then say I want to have that unique thing, it's not because my number one goal is to use that unique thing in order to rule over the mud and rack up the pk numbers. It's because it sounds like fun. Getting a bulette form and seeing what it does, playing around with it, would be fun in much the same way as getting one of my dream shifter combos, things like cheetah-vulture, or croc-porcupine. It'd also be fun because, yeah, it'd be more powerful. But that's not the main reason. And frankly, I'm bad enough at PK that you could give me bulette/black jaguar and I'd still suck.

It's cool that a fun thing like that is available to players, and despite seeing and hearing some pretty shady rumors and whatnot, I'm still relatively certain that if I play a good character I've got at least a decent shot of getting something like that. Which, for now, is good enough for me.

I get that it's not good enough for you and your four friends. That's cool. It just gets kind of annoying to see people talking about this kind of thing "ruining CF forever" or some such #### and speaking as if their sentiments are that of the ENTIRE playerbase.

ETA - What's kind of amusing here is that I used to most definitely play to win CF, even though I wasn't remotely good enough to. What finally turned me off of that was when Ghrimriddor either killed my human Nexun transmuter Teltranix, or avoided getting killed, or something else similar to that. Anyway, I completely went off on you. Cursing, OOC, the whole bit. I cooled down within ten minutes and sent you a note to apologize, but it ruined the character for me and I deleted. And I looked at that experience and realized that I'd have much more fun if I didn't give a damn about my pk ratio, or my equipment, or anything but having a character to log into and have some fun with for a while, without placing expectations on the experience. I guess it's amusing because it was an interaction with you that gave me this outlook on the game that's so different from your's. Again, though, your opinion is your opinion and you're completely entitled to have it. I just wish you'd realize that it IS an opinion, not fact, and not everyone shares it.