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#51231, "RE: If you're just going to make blanket shots at me..."
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As someone who did a good bit of poking about because of this character, due to role, cabal, etc, I figured I'd give you some of my perspective.
>>1) A role/concept for a special character combo that makes >me >>happy justifies why this character is the ONLY felar who >>learned to be a conjurer. (Or whatever.) It's not just, >"Hey >>here's a wacky character who also happens to be a storm >giant >>necromancer!" > >I offered to send in the role but your wife said no, flat out, >stating she wouldn't work with people who "contribute" to >those forums ( a whole two posts! the horror!). Considering I >won a role contest, it wasn't terrible.
I asked Raybaer about this character early on, and my understanding was that you had been told you were not getting an immediately rolled up different class, but not that it was impossible through roleplay. You seemed to spend a lot of time right off the bat trying to get things you wanted immediately, such as coming to Nythos and other Outlander Imms about empowerment pre-level-10. Fortunately, you did ultimately grasp to go out and prove your worth to Outlander Gods before gaining some of their power.
>>2) Your bar to clear is higher when your character is >>normally impossible to play for multiple reasons instead of >>just one. Storm necromancer is something that you can't >pick >>normally both because of race/class and either >alignment/class >>or alignment/race reasons. > >A) It's been done before, this isn't some new precedent. There >have been non-neutral druids before. There's also been class >changes before of active characters. I've done both of these >in my time with CF.
Actually, I'm only aware of one class change ever, personally. I could be wrong those. As far as evil druids go, there have been five that I know of. Only two of which lasted more than ~50 hours as an evil druid, and I was one of them.
Amora's case, you're only really questioning the evil druid aspect, since humans can be any alignment. Ultimately, religion does her in and she goes evil. Follows a religion that IS evil, but also tends to view itself and its work outside the boundaries of alignment.
Baltherias's case, w-elf druid. Race and class restrictions, but is also going from neutral to evil (which is always easier). Similarly betrayer'd, loses all sups, wrath-vuln, ultimately gets MOST druid abilities back. Also, while the character because evil, they also viewed their actions as doing so to enforce the balance of nature.
In your case, you're somewhat going the opposite way. You have a race that cannot be neutral, and wants to be a class that cannot be evil because it's concerned about balance. As far as I ever saw in reading your role, you never showed a reason why this character should be a druid. Evil, nature-loving shaman? Sure. Druid? Not so much. To my reading...and I admit I didn't get to watch the character, I never saw anything that showed evil druid was in ANY way a better fit than nature-loving shaman.
>B) Considering I won a role contest and generally people liked >the character, I think I did well reaching the bar.
Just for clarity...I actually despised the role. But then, I much favor a reasonable, plausible role over anything resembling "I am a good dark-elf ranger". Not that it was a bad role, or that you didn't play it well, it's just not a role I like.
>>3) If you are a player with bad CF karma, the best way to >>turn staff opinion of you around is to cut the forum/OOC >drama >>and quietly play very good characters. I've seen people >turn >>opinion of them around dramatically in even a single >character >>when they do this. This may be very hard if you tend to >want >>special attention and get upset if you don't get it, or have >>an inability to give yourself any of the blame for >why >>things don't work out for you. > >I did take actually most of the blame - I put work on Arvam >with my "blank slate" concept that backfired and was unfair, I >played something I absolutely hated thinking I would get it >changed, and I was requiring something to have fun from the >Imms. Over the years I have improved and I've had a lot of >decent characters recently. The only thing I put blame on >other people for is for your wife not giving me a chance since >she was mad at other people taking it way too far on the other >forums and then literally a week later I see a dwarf >transmuter (which is an INSANE combo). > >If you want to stop the drama, stop rehashing my "bad CF >karma" of events from ten years ago and stop taking small >shots at me whenever you get the chance to.
>>Lessons learned?
>>1. Don't do "blank canvas" roles for Imms. They're busy enough as it >> is and putting more work on them just doesn't seem to pan out (aka >> Amaranthe and her role contest folks).
Honestly, I've tried them myself, and pretty much got pushed back towards "It's your character, you should probably decide". It's more work, and now YOU'RE to blame if stuff goes wrong. Also, in your case, the way you approached "blank slate" half looked like you were scrounging for Immortals. You had no particular patron, yet referenced a LOT of various options. I'd probably suggest leaving out having a variety of SPECIFIC Immortals (even if they're dead) if you're leaving it open.
>>2. Don't make a character that "needs" anything from the Immortals. >> You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Well, that's been said time and time again. Empowerment? Fine. You *NEED* to have Fjarn show up and excise the cursed magical stone from your body to make your character enjoyable? Not so much.
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(DELETED) Danjuh and Lona the frustrated giant
[View all] , Torak, Fri 06-Sep-13 12:39 PM
Don't say you weren't warned,
incognito,
09-Sep-13 07:29 AM, #39
Not to derail this thread...,
Eskelian,
09-Sep-13 08:53 AM, #40
And on the 'sacking' thing...,
Eskelian,
09-Sep-13 11:03 AM, #43
RE: Don't say you weren't warned,
Torak,
09-Sep-13 10:01 AM, #41
RE: Don't say you weren't warned,
Daevryn,
09-Sep-13 10:43 AM, #42
At the same time, it definitely came from an IMM. ,
TMNS,
09-Sep-13 02:30 PM, #46
Yeah to me...,
Eskelian,
09-Sep-13 04:58 PM, #51
output from a "history" type command,
crsweeney,
09-Sep-13 03:08 PM, #48
RE: output from a ,
Daevryn,
09-Sep-13 05:30 PM, #52
Not really mad :),
TMNS,
10-Sep-13 12:28 PM, #53
I had always wondered where that pitchfork is from.,
TMNS,
09-Sep-13 02:28 PM, #45
I should have explained better,
incognito,
09-Sep-13 03:10 PM, #49
RE: (DELETED) Danjuh and Lona the frustrated giant,
Arvam,
07-Sep-13 03:24 PM, #32
I <3 you,
Torak,
08-Sep-13 03:50 AM, #33
Regarding dwarf transmuter...,
Amberion,
08-Sep-13 08:55 AM, #35
Mistaken post, ignore nt,
jalbrin,
08-Sep-13 11:56 PM, #38
I haven't had the pleasure of interacting or talking wi...,
Amberion,
08-Sep-13 08:52 AM, #34
Ignoring the drama...,
Whiysdan,
06-Sep-13 02:05 PM, #9
Thanks,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 02:14 PM, #16
You set yourself up to fail,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
06-Sep-13 01:18 PM, #2
Glad the IMMs can't seperate OOC from IC....,
TMNS,
06-Sep-13 02:09 PM, #14
There is plenty of seperation of OOC and IC,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
06-Sep-13 02:18 PM, #17
Hence why that's a #### idea (no offense).,
TMNS,
06-Sep-13 02:40 PM, #20
I have to call BS as to that last part.,
lasentia,
06-Sep-13 03:16 PM, #21
Sam the man with odorless feces. nt,
vargal,
06-Sep-13 03:37 PM, #22
My #### stinks worse than most.,
TMNS,
09-Sep-13 02:32 PM, #47
RE: My #### stinks worse than most.,
N b M,
09-Sep-13 04:13 PM, #50
I'm not representative of "good" players,
Leaf,
07-Sep-13 09:04 AM, #30
RE: (DELETED) Danjuh and Lona the frustrated giant,
Daevryn,
06-Sep-13 01:14 PM, #1
Nevermind,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 01:33 PM, #3
You're really reaching here bud.,
Dallevian,
06-Sep-13 01:34 PM, #4
Gonna disagree,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 01:47 PM, #5
evil gear, and fire giant gear, is the bombz,
Dallevian,
06-Sep-13 02:05 PM, #
What would you rather have,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 02:07 PM, #11
honestly? evil with decent saves,
Dallevian,
06-Sep-13 02:11 PM, #15
I have an FSV account.,
TMNS,
06-Sep-13 02:08 PM, #12
I made one but only to ask players not to post hell and...,
Gaplemo,
09-Sep-13 02:20 PM, #44
And, actually,
Daevryn,
06-Sep-13 01:48 PM, #6
If you're just going to make blanket shots at me...,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 02:03 PM, #7
You need to realize this is his sandbox.,
TMNS,
06-Sep-13 02:05 PM, #8
RE: You need to realize this is his sandbox.,
N b M,
06-Sep-13 02:19 PM, #18
What's sad...,
TMNS,
06-Sep-13 02:39 PM, #19
RE: If you're just going to make blanket shots at me...,
Daevryn,
06-Sep-13 02:06 PM, #10
What are you even talking about,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 02:08 PM, #13
RE: What are you even talking about,
Daevryn,
06-Sep-13 06:02 PM, #23
Don't remember any others...,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 06:05 PM, #24
RE: Don't remember any others...,
Daevryn,
06-Sep-13 06:14 PM, #25
RE: Don't remember any others...,
N b M,
06-Sep-13 07:48 PM, #27
RE: Don't remember any others...,
Daevryn,
06-Sep-13 08:21 PM, #28
RE: Don't remember any others...,
Gabe,
08-Sep-13 11:05 PM, #36
NO GABE,
Tsunami,
08-Sep-13 11:40 PM, #37
For the record, there are dwarf mages as NPCs.,
Zephon,
07-Sep-13 11:00 AM, #31
RE: If you're just going to make blanket shots at me...,
Nythos (Anonymous),
06-Sep-13 06:50 PM #26
RE: If you're just going to make blanket shots at me...,
Torak,
06-Sep-13 10:30 PM, #29
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