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lasentiaTue 12-Jun-12 08:37 AM
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#45801, "RE: I can't believe I have to spell this out."
Edited on Tue 12-Jun-12 08:48 AM

          

Trib's purpose is also to punish those who break laws- there are no rehabilitative, restorative or reconciliation functions in trib's justice system generally speaking. It's based entirely on harsh retribution. Death, loss of possessions.

And Trib protects people that do all the things the trib forbids in cities, but just because they don't happen to do it within four small areas trib still guarantees their safety. Hey, I just murdered this elf paladin on Eastern Road right in front of two other Maran who begin chasing me, but now I walk into galadon and this other elf paladin will protect me against the Maran that come for my head.

If thera was filled with only people of the light, trib would not really need to exist, because light people generally would not break laws anyway. Trib protects evils, and by harboring them it only encourages them and prevents their destruction. To me it sounds like they have an agenda that goes against the Maran idea of destroy evil everywhere. However, since Tribs apply their law indiscriminantly to all they are not inherently evil in so doing. They do have to be evil at times so as to apply the law evenly to all. They have to harbor a known murderer against retribution because he murdered someone outside their town and now stands next to him openly singing how he killed this elf paladin right outside.

Now you can look at Nexus.
Nexus's purpose is to protect all Thera via the laws of balance. (trib's views are no more valid than nexus's in where they originate from.) These laws have no boundaries, they apply evenly across the realm, making them far less ineffectual than trib's who have that jurisdictional handicap. So Nexus applies their law indiscriminantly to all, which also does not make them inherently evil in so doing, though at times they may commit acts of evil, they are not motivated by inherent evil within- it is evil forced upon them by necessity of duty- same as the tribs engage in, as well as Maran do. Maran know killing is wrong. They know it is evil. They do it anyway, because that is their duty. Why is it you don't condemn other Maran for the atrocities they commit against evils and forever hunt them as well?

If as a Maran you think it is okay to go after one, you should go after all, otherwise you're making rationalizations to differentiate them. Saying they raid me more often to distinguish them? I'm sorry, but there are far worse things in terms of evil than raiding a cabal.

Oh, and trib will raid other cabals too. That's a decision largely left to mortal leadership, not a set in stone policy. Pretty much all of those ideas are left to the mortal leaders, as Imms like to encourage flexibility and RP in characters instead of rigid monotony.

  

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HOT Locked TopicI'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement. [View all] , Alston, Thu 07-Jun-12 07:51 PM
Reply The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 10:54 AM, #114
Reply RE: The problem, Daevryn, 12-Jun-12 10:56 AM, #115
     Reply The real problem is Pro and Graatch, Tac, 12-Jun-12 11:02 AM, #116
     Reply RE: The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 11:03 AM, #117
          Reply RE: The problem, Daevryn, 12-Jun-12 11:05 AM, #118
               Reply RE: The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 11:13 AM, #120
               Reply RE: The problem, Daevryn, 12-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #122
                    Reply RE: The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 11:23 AM, #123
               Reply Maaaaaan. Are you serious? Did you just say that after ..., Alston, 12-Jun-12 11:18 AM, #121
Reply Couple points, Valkenar, 10-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #66
Reply RE: Couple points, Graatch, 10-Jun-12 10:14 PM, #67
Reply RE: Couple points, Rayihn, 11-Jun-12 06:05 AM, #68
     Reply You told my Paladin to talk to and forgive them. , Alston, 11-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #69
     Reply Case by case basis, Rayihn, 11-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Couple points, Graatch, 11-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #73
          Reply RE: Couple points, Rayihn, 11-Jun-12 10:40 AM, #76
          Reply RE: Couple points, Graatch, 11-Jun-12 01:38 PM, #80
               Reply RE: Couple points, lasentia, 11-Jun-12 02:13 PM, #81
               Reply They should be killed on sight., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:34 PM, #91
               Reply RE: Couple points, Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 03:15 PM, #82
               Reply Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t, Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:28 PM, #87
                    Reply RE: Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t, Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #90
                         Reply Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they aren't..., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:39 PM, #93
                              Reply Do you listen to yourself?, laxman, 11-Jun-12 08:29 PM, #96
                              Reply RE: Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they ar..., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 09:10 PM, #97
                                   Reply To use the P and G point, Artificial, 11-Jun-12 09:17 PM, #98
                                   Reply Speaking of retards,,,,, Alston, 11-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #99
                                   Reply For you and laxman above., Alston, 11-Jun-12 09:39 PM, #100
                                        Reply RE: For you and laxman above., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #101
                                        Reply Let me be helpful., Scrimbul, 11-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #102
                                        Reply RE: Let me be helpful., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 10:40 PM, #103
                                        Reply That's just it. It should be., Alston, 11-Jun-12 10:47 PM, #104
                                             Reply Fortress can better influence neutrals towards goodly b..., DurNominator, 12-Jun-12 01:05 AM, #105
                                                  Reply You can't unrape someone, or unkill them., Alston, 12-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #108
                                                       Reply puhg said it below, you are thinking like a neutral or ..., laxman, 12-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #111
                                                            Reply How do you forgive someone for killing someone else? Yo..., Alston, 12-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #112
                                                                 Reply in cf people die and come back, its not as big a deal a..., laxman, 12-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #113
                                                                 Reply All your arguments are rooted in OOC mechanics. n/t, Alston, 12-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #119
                                        Reply Your view of "good align" seems far more similar to a n..., Puhguly, 12-Jun-12 05:17 AM, #107
                                             Reply You're opinion seems to be rooted in moral bankruptcy., Alston, 12-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #109
               Reply You are dumb, laxman, 11-Jun-12 04:23 PM, #83
                    Reply Yeah, you pretty much misunderstand what he's saying. Y..., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #89
          Reply Was that with your elf invoker?, TMNS, 11-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #85
Reply I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that., Alston, 11-Jun-12 07:55 AM, #70
     Reply RE: I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that., DurNominator, 11-Jun-12 08:31 AM, #71
          Reply Wait a minute., Alston, 11-Jun-12 10:16 AM, #74
               Reply RE: Wait a minute., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 10:37 AM, #75
               Reply FYI... I think Fortress would be raiding about everyone..., Alston, 11-Jun-12 12:18 PM, #77
                    Reply There are evil tribs, and neutral ones doing evil thing..., lasentia, 11-Jun-12 01:15 PM, #78
                         Reply I can't believe I have to spell this out., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:31 PM, #88
                              Reply RE: I can't believe I have to spell this out., lasentia, 12-Jun-12 08:48 AM #110
               Reply It's like this., DurNominator, 12-Jun-12 04:33 AM, #106
Reply Alas, the majority and imms disagree with you. And tyra..., Batman (Anonymous), 09-Jun-12 06:30 AM, #34
Reply Would all of the people who hate on Nexus please name t..., Puhguly, 08-Jun-12 04:38 PM, #21
Reply This kills me., Alston, 08-Jun-12 07:17 PM, #22
Reply The reason I bring it up is this, Puhguly, 08-Jun-12 08:15 PM, #26
     Reply Yes I can. God that's a stupid argument., Alston, 08-Jun-12 10:07 PM, #29
     Reply You don't even understand neutrality properly., DurNominator, 09-Jun-12 05:42 AM, #33
          Reply Of course I do. And I don't think Nexun is the only int..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 08:52 AM, #37
               Reply I don't remember any AD&D class required to be lawful., Homard, 09-Jun-12 09:07 AM, #39
               Reply I meant Monks., Alston, 09-Jun-12 10:49 AM, #41
                    Reply Yep, Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 10:57 AM, #42
                    Reply They could never be Lawful Good. Because you can't sudd..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 11:41 AM, #46
                         Reply You just kind of said that Maran cant be good with that..., Puhguly, 09-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #48
                         Reply Maran want genocide vs dark-elf nt, Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #50
                              Reply Yep. Where's the disconnect here? But to be more clear...., Alston, 09-Jun-12 04:12 PM, #51
                                   Reply So..., Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #52
                                        Reply First of all I strayed when I agreed with your genocide..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #53
                                             Reply RE: First of all I strayed when I agreed with your geno..., Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 08:38 PM, #57
                                                  Reply My beef with Nexus is how we are forced to accept them., Alston, 10-Jun-12 08:33 AM, #60
                                                       Reply Play something other than Fortress, Malakhi, 10-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #61
                                                       Reply I have followed through on my threats. Thank you very m..., Alston, 10-Jun-12 11:22 AM, #62
                                                            Reply No, you haven't., Malakhi, 11-Jun-12 12:53 PM, #79
                                                            Reply n/t, Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:40 PM, #92
                                                       Reply You are forced to accept neutrals of Battle and Outland..., DurNominator, 10-Jun-12 11:50 AM, #63
                                                            Reply They should. And I do on an indiviual basis., Alston, 10-Jun-12 11:54 AM, #64
                                                                 Reply You're unnecessarily limiting yourself., Homard, 10-Jun-12 12:45 PM, #65
                    Reply Thanks. Bringing it all back. n/t, Homard, 09-Jun-12 11:16 AM, #44
               Reply Neutral ragers and outlanders frequently hunt goodies., DurNominator, 09-Jun-12 11:31 AM, #45
                    Reply I think Ragers should be enemies of the Fortress too., Alston, 09-Jun-12 11:44 AM, #47
     Reply Seconded, DurNominator, 09-Jun-12 05:40 AM, #32
          Reply Thirded, lasentia, 09-Jun-12 09:26 AM, #40
Reply I've had several, and I still loathe the cabal. , Vladamir, 09-Jun-12 07:09 AM, #36
Reply I've played several Nexuns., TMNS, 11-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #84
     Reply RE: I've played several Nexuns., Graatch, 11-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #86
Reply Everyone already has their minds made up. There's no co..., Treebeard, 08-Jun-12 12:16 PM, #18
Reply Re: Nexun = Chaotic evil., Shapa, 08-Jun-12 08:58 AM, #14
Reply Am I the only one..., Tac, 08-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #13
Reply Take care of this in game., The Heretic, 08-Jun-12 08:29 AM, #11
Reply Nexus = true neutral, DurNominator, 08-Jun-12 07:07 AM, #6
Reply Irrelevant, Graatch, 08-Jun-12 07:22 AM, #7
     Reply RE: Irrelevant, Daevryn, 08-Jun-12 07:36 AM, #8
     Reply RE: Irrelevant, orangepowered, 08-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #9
     Reply Wouldn't ragers be always my enemy if I see them hit my..., DurNominator, 08-Jun-12 08:15 AM, #10
     Reply you missed half the argument, was that intentional?, laxman, 08-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #12
     Reply That's simply not true., Graatch, 08-Jun-12 10:27 AM, #15
          Reply I guess I don't know what you are trying to say, laxman, 08-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #16
          Reply RE: I guess I don't know what you are trying to say, Graatch, 08-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #17
          Reply I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing retu..., Vladamir, 08-Jun-12 02:30 PM, #19
               Reply Everyone does., Tsunami, 08-Jun-12 02:45 PM, #20
               Reply Wrong., Alston, 08-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #23
                    Reply Well, Tsunami, 08-Jun-12 09:21 PM, #27
                         Reply Quick addition, Tsunami, 08-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #28
                              Reply The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus..., Alston, 08-Jun-12 10:33 PM, #30
                                   Reply That's fine by me, Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 12:28 AM, #31
                                   Reply I personally think it's the opposite., Alston, 09-Jun-12 09:04 AM, #38
                                   Reply RE: The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus....., Daevryn, 09-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #43
                                        Reply I understand the first half, the second half is just du..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 02:07 PM, #49
                                             Reply RE: I understand the first half, the second half is jus..., Daevryn, 09-Jun-12 06:30 PM, #54
                                                  Reply It's the soldier in me that keeps this festering., Alston, 09-Jun-12 06:52 PM, #55
                                                  Reply Possible solution, if you want to try it., Akresius, 09-Jun-12 08:13 PM, #56
                                                       Reply Do you have any idea how broad my paint brush is?, Alston, 10-Jun-12 07:44 AM, #59
                                                  Reply as Celebrimbor, I had the Marans take the key a few tim..., Vladamir, 10-Jun-12 04:28 AM, #58
               Reply RE: I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing ..., Elerosse, 08-Jun-12 07:42 PM, #24
          Reply RE: That's simply not true., Daevryn, 09-Jun-12 06:56 AM, #35
               Reply Which doesn't forgive attrocity. n/t, Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:51 PM, #94
                    Reply You dont seem to appreciate, Artificial, 11-Jun-12 07:40 PM, #95
     Reply RE: Irrelevant, Elerosse, 08-Jun-12 07:53 PM, #25
Reply I'm starting an Occupy Pro Movement..., Welverin, 08-Jun-12 05:51 AM, #4
Reply I thought your post would be, Artificial, 08-Jun-12 07:00 AM, #5
Reply RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement., orangepowered, 07-Jun-12 11:57 PM, #3
Reply RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement., Daevryn, 07-Jun-12 08:08 PM, #1
     Reply Alright. I wasn't sure how you felt about it. I won't b..., Alston, 07-Jun-12 09:00 PM, #2
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