Damage output vs mobs. Yes. Mobs defend like ####. Damage output vs players has a lot more to do with defenses (and getting around them) then how much each hit hurts. There are times when a banner is probably good, but given that they are very heavy and don't last all that long (about the length of assemble horde timer) the odds of fighting another of the same race are fairly low. I guess you could use it to multi-kill folks, but that isn't how I roll. Hzerliach is the only character I killed more than once in the same login as far as I recall, and that only because we were going after a group and he got summoned first.

Tac