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TacWed 22-Dec-10 02:34 PM
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#36731, "Whip/Flail etc..."
Edited on Wed 22-Dec-10 02:34 PM

          

I would argue that whip/flail is one of, if not the best choice for primary weapon on an orc for these reasons: They are hard to parry in general, and if you look at the classes that learn both:

Flail:
Skill: Anti-Paladin , Lvl 1
Skill: Berserker , Lvl 1
Skill: Healer , Lvl 1
Skill: Shaman , Lvl 1
Skill: Warrior , Lvl 1

Whip:
Skill: Anti-Paladin , Lvl 1
Skill: Berserker , Lvl 1
Skill: Conjurer , Lvl 1
Skill: Healer , Lvl 1
Skill: Invoker , Lvl 1
Skill: Necromancer , Lvl 1
Skill: Ranger , Lvl 1
Skill: Shapeshifter , Lvl 1
Skill: Transmuter , Lvl 1
Skill: Warrior , Lvl 1

Only AP, Warrior and Berserker learn both. They also learn every weapon Bereserkers do, so there isn't much there. You want a hard to parry/dodge weapon because you tank like ####, so you have to outdamage your opponent.

Also, something which you seem to be ignoring is that you have to be either free offhand or be using a banner. Either way, you loose out on offhand parry, and loose in the offense category compared to (for example) an offhand axe.

Headbutt injures you. It isn't much (comparatively), but whether you hit or miss a lash, you aren't taking any damage. And "Headwear for both attacker and target are taken into account for purposes of damage and chance of stunning." which makes it pretty hard to figure out how reliable it is going to be.

Headbutt has the same size restrictions as bash, actually slightly more since you can't headbutt something bigger than you at all, while you can still attempt to bash.

Finally, this: The following round the opponent gets a bonus to hit the attacker if they were unsuccessfully stunned by the attack.

So, to recap, size restrictions, giving up offense and defense of a dual wield, increased chance of getting hit if you are unsuccessful which is determined by a nebulous gear factor like cranial only more so since your helm factors in, and hurting yourself. Why do you think you *would* use it when lasher makes lash reliable (plus -morale)?

Tac

  

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HOT TopicSome (hopefully) constructive orc criticisms. [View all] , Tac, Tue 21-Dec-10 02:39 PM
Reply Best of luck, Torak, 22-Dec-10 12:15 PM, #16
Reply Yea... I know...., Tac, 22-Dec-10 12:22 PM, #17
Reply Probably just a lack of immortal presence period., Marin, 22-Dec-10 10:04 PM, #23
     Reply Yea, I was actually expecting Daevryn to weigh in...., Tac, 22-Dec-10 10:39 PM, #28
          Reply Don't be so gloomy, MoetEtChandon, 23-Dec-10 04:18 PM, #33
          Reply Daevryn hasn't posted in 10 days (n/t), Zulghinlour, 23-Dec-10 05:32 PM, #35
          Reply RE: Yea, I was actually expecting Daevryn to weigh in....., Daevryn, 11-Jan-11 12:39 AM, #53
Reply RE: Best of luck, Zulghinlour, 23-Dec-10 05:33 PM, #36
     Reply Did I say that?, Torak, 23-Dec-10 08:19 PM, #38
          Reply RE: Did I say that?, Zulghinlour, 23-Dec-10 08:41 PM, #39
          Reply Well that's easily handled, Torak, 23-Dec-10 11:47 PM, #41
               Reply This makes no sense really., Lyristeon, 24-Dec-10 10:11 AM, #44
                    Reply Maybe you're missing the point, Torak, 24-Dec-10 03:43 PM, #45
                         Reply The list in one form has existed since 2008, Zulghinlour, 24-Dec-10 04:34 PM, #46
                              Reply Off topic, but..., Tac, 25-Dec-10 12:09 AM, #47
                              Reply The latter (n/t), Zulghinlour, 25-Dec-10 12:13 AM, #48
                              Reply Heralds are on that list. Right? RIGHT? :) nt, Splntrd, 27-Dec-10 11:59 AM, #52
          Reply RE: Did I say that?, Tac, 23-Dec-10 11:33 PM, #40
               Reply RE: Did I say that?, Zulghinlour, 24-Dec-10 01:01 AM, #42
                    Reply Huh, Torak, 24-Dec-10 03:26 AM, #43
Reply Assemble/Rally, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:45 PM, #15
Reply RE: Assemble/Rally, Daevryn, 11-Jan-11 12:42 AM, #54
     Reply RE: Assemble/Rally, Tac, 11-Jan-11 02:11 PM, #60
Reply Overrun, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:44 PM, #14
Reply RE: Overrun, Daevryn, 11-Jan-11 12:42 AM, #55
Reply Pillage, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:44 PM, #13
Reply Set Snares, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:44 PM, #12
Reply RE: Set Snares, Bajula, 22-Dec-10 11:36 PM, #29
     Reply How did you use it?, Tac, 23-Dec-10 09:43 AM, #30
     Reply He set it on me to be two rounded:) nt, MRSK, 23-Dec-10 11:27 AM, #31
     Reply RE: Set Snares, Bajula, 23-Dec-10 07:58 PM, #37
Reply Desecration, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:44 PM, #11
Reply Track Prey, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:43 PM, #10
Reply Enslave/Slaver Edge, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:43 PM, #9
Reply Fashion War Banner, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:43 PM, #8
Reply I disagree strongly, unless something has changed. , Vladamir, 22-Dec-10 10:28 PM, #25
     Reply Who was your orc?, Tac, 22-Dec-10 10:37 PM, #27
          Reply He put the name in the post: ..but as Gargargh.. nt, DurNominator, 26-Dec-10 01:56 PM, #49
Reply Pin, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:42 PM, #7
Reply Last Stand, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:42 PM, #6
Reply RE: Last Stand, Daevryn, 11-Jan-11 12:45 AM, #56
     Reply RE: Last Stand, Tac, 11-Jan-11 02:09 PM, #59
          Reply RE: Last Stand, Daevryn, 12-Jan-11 01:16 AM, #61
               Reply It hits people when I fail to flee...., Tac, 12-Jan-11 09:57 AM, #64
Reply Bloodsteep, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:42 PM, #5
Reply Steal, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:42 PM, #4
Reply Bloodletting, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:41 PM, #3
Reply RE: Bloodletting, Daevryn, 11-Jan-11 12:47 AM, #57
     Reply RE: Bloodletting, Tac, 11-Jan-11 02:06 PM, #58
          Reply RE: Bloodletting, Daevryn, 12-Jan-11 01:17 AM, #62
               Reply Meh... either way, poison isn't really that big a deal...., Tac, 12-Jan-11 09:55 AM, #63
Reply Headbutt, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:41 PM, #2
Reply RE: Headbutt, Malakhi, 22-Dec-10 02:01 PM, #18
Reply Whip/Flail etc..., Tac, 22-Dec-10 02:34 PM #19
     Reply RE: Whip/Flail etc..., Malakhi, 22-Dec-10 05:26 PM, #20
          Reply He played Nefla as well. That was a pretty defensive c..., TMNS, 22-Dec-10 05:40 PM, #21
          Reply RE: Whip/Flail etc..., Tac, 22-Dec-10 06:35 PM, #22
               Reply What do you smoke when measuring success? n/t, Lhydia, 23-Dec-10 02:43 PM, #32
               Reply I don't understand your question. n/t, Tac, 23-Dec-10 04:23 PM, #34
                    Reply It wasn't a question., DurNominator, 26-Dec-10 03:09 PM, #50
               Reply RE: Whip/Flail etc..., Malakhi, 26-Dec-10 11:17 PM, #51
Reply Just playing devils advocate here..., Vladamir, 22-Dec-10 10:26 PM, #24
     Reply I had a great experience, Tac, 22-Dec-10 10:34 PM, #26
Reply Scavenging, Tac, 21-Dec-10 02:41 PM, #1
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