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MalakhiSat 26-Jun-10 09:41 PM
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#33617, "No, I understood you."


          

I just happen to disagree and think it's OK to kill a sentient neutral mob for gold/gear.

I'm sympathetic to your argument that a good person wouldn't kill someone unless their own life was in danger - but this is the game Carrionfields, not real life in 2010. In the game, Carrionfields, my POV is based on both game mechanics and RP reasons.

Game mechanics wise, I think it is a no brainer that good aligns should be able to kill neutral aligns. Players should not have to play on Pro's level of PK suckiness if they want to play a good align. Even you, who've had several PK successful evil characters, had a 5-13 PK record (or something like that) with the last good align paladin you played (that I'm aware of). I wouldn't be happy handcuffing myself to a playstyles that results in a 5-13 PK record. That's just not entertaining to me. Again, I wouldn't play a good align given the current game mechanics if I couldn't kill a sentient neutral NPC.

RP wise, my rationale is simply that these mobs are neutral, not good. These mobs are neutral, not "innocent." In the Carrionfields worlds, mobs and players are their alignement for a reason. There's a reason why you have the red aura and not the gold aura, even if you are a goblin baby. There's a reason you have no aura and not a gold aura, even if you're the sentient dragon guarding the Jade Vaults. There's nothing in the good align helpfile that states you should not kill neutrals - it states you should avoid harming "innocent bystanders." IMO, an "innocent bystander" has a Gold Aura. Neutrals, without that aura, are not "innocent." Again, there's a reason why they're Neutral and not Good.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but really this is a rehash of Valg's thread re: Good Alignment handicaps.

  

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HOT Locked TopicI deleted over this. I'm ####ing pissed. [View all] , Pro, Fri 25-Jun-10 06:55 AM
Reply Time to lock this up and move on? n/t, Pro, 29-Jun-10 07:53 PM, #100
Reply You sure? You done? n/t, Lhydia, 29-Jun-10 09:39 PM, #101
Reply Dear Santa Zulgh..., Gabe, 28-Jun-10 10:58 PM, #97
Reply Because Gabe is a BAMF, this should be considered. nt, sleepy, 29-Jun-10 12:58 AM, #98
Reply Ignore command, Tsunami, 26-Jun-10 02:08 PM, #56
Reply Completely OOC., Pro, 26-Jun-10 02:54 PM, #59
     Reply RE: Completely OOC., Tsunami, 26-Jun-10 03:01 PM, #60
     Reply He's referencing a log on Dio, sleepy, 26-Jun-10 03:30 PM, #62
          Reply Oh yeah., Pro, 26-Jun-10 04:23 PM, #66
               Reply So..., Tsunami, 26-Jun-10 04:42 PM, #68
                    Reply So.., Pro, 26-Jun-10 04:52 PM, #69
                         Reply You're really, really dumb.~, blackbird, 26-Jun-10 10:02 PM, #75
                         Reply While you're busy being a vigilante..., Splntrd, 26-Jun-10 11:45 PM, #78
                              Reply I don't recall breaking any rules., Pro, 27-Jun-10 11:05 PM, #92
                                   Reply RE: I don't recall breaking any rules., Eskelian, 28-Jun-10 02:38 AM, #95
                                   Reply RE: I don't recall breaking any rules., Splntrd, 29-Jun-10 02:19 PM, #99
Reply Please move this to another board. st, Kalageadon, 26-Jun-10 08:24 AM, #51
Reply Being the one that dealt with this..., Nnaeshuk, 25-Jun-10 12:31 PM, #43
Reply I'm sitting here with the source of all my angst., Pro, 25-Jun-10 01:48 PM, #45
Reply In all seriousness, incognito, 26-Jun-10 08:18 AM, #50
     Reply Cosign n/t, Dervish, 26-Jun-10 09:56 AM, #52
     Reply RE: In all seriousness, Lhydia, 26-Jun-10 10:17 AM, #53
     Reply RE: In all seriousness, incognito, 26-Jun-10 03:38 PM, #65
          Reply Hahaha. n/t, Lhydia, 26-Jun-10 05:29 PM, #70
     Reply Conversely, Malakhi, 26-Jun-10 12:34 PM, #54
     Reply In my strictest goodie characters.., Java, 26-Jun-10 12:43 PM, #55
     Reply Shackling the benevolent, Swordsosaurus, 26-Jun-10 02:32 PM, #57
     Reply Well, it disgusted me when I played a paladin, incognito, 26-Jun-10 03:37 PM, #64
     Reply Oh I agree with you.., Java, 26-Jun-10 08:33 PM, #72
     Reply Dragons are sentient beings, Nightgaunt_, 27-Jun-10 04:11 PM, #85
          Reply Hmm.., Java, 27-Jun-10 06:37 PM, #86
          Reply I have always, always.., Swordsosaurus, 27-Jun-10 06:53 PM, #88
               Reply That makes me think of Nep's alternate, Mekantos, 27-Jun-10 09:13 PM, #89
               Reply Ah, you got me, Swordsosaurus, 27-Jun-10 10:53 PM, #91
               Reply Yup:, Daevryn, 28-Jun-10 12:45 AM, #94
               Reply ####ing Tolkien!, Pro, 27-Jun-10 11:07 PM, #93
          Reply Dragons have feelings too!, Mekantos, 27-Jun-10 06:41 PM, #87
               Reply Aww, you shouldn't have taken that Dragon's newbie brea..., DurNominator, 28-Jun-10 05:51 PM, #96
     Reply Then you sir, are neutral., Pro, 26-Jun-10 02:48 PM, #58
     Reply That's perfectly acceptable "Good" roleplay., Java, 26-Jun-10 03:09 PM, #61
     Reply This guy says he's smart?, Pro, 26-Jun-10 04:07 PM, #67
     Reply You're retarded. NT, TMNS, 26-Jun-10 10:16 PM, #76
     Reply You seem to have misinterpreted me, incognito, 26-Jun-10 03:35 PM, #63
          Reply No, I understood you., Malakhi, 26-Jun-10 09:41 PM #74
               Reply See, I STRONGLY disagree with this.., Java, 26-Jun-10 10:19 PM, #77
               Reply RE: See, I STRONGLY disagree with this.., Malakhi, 27-Jun-10 12:44 AM, #81
               Reply RE: No, I understood you., Isildur, 27-Jun-10 12:42 AM, #80
               Reply RE: No, I understood you., Malakhi, 27-Jun-10 01:18 AM, #82
               Reply That surprises me a bit, incognito, 27-Jun-10 03:42 AM, #83
     Reply I'm kind of in agreement here, sickening as it is, Runaktla, 26-Jun-10 08:15 PM, #71
          Reply Consider, you contradict yourself in you attempt to sla..., Pro, 26-Jun-10 08:46 PM, #73
               Reply RE: Consider, you contradict yourself in you attempt to..., Runaktla, 27-Jun-10 12:10 AM, #79
Reply And how ABOUT those ultra-mature prays of yours., Java, 25-Jun-10 10:47 AM, #37
Reply Hi Pro. I'm with you., Marin, 25-Jun-10 10:28 AM, #35
Reply This is retarded., Java, 25-Jun-10 10:34 AM, #36
Reply Those prayers were Skraag., Pro, 25-Jun-10 11:36 AM, #40
Reply You should seek therapy for your RP OCD. n/t, Lhydia, 25-Jun-10 08:01 AM, #29
Reply RE: I deleted over this. I'm ####ing pissed., sorlag (Anonymous), 25-Jun-10 07:11 AM, #28
Reply You're actively LOOKING for stuff to be mad about., Java, 25-Jun-10 12:22 AM, #27
Reply This., Twist, 25-Jun-10 11:34 AM, #39
     Reply I'm willing to admit that,, Pro, 25-Jun-10 11:53 AM, #41
          Reply Buddy, Mekantos, 25-Jun-10 11:59 AM, #42
               Reply 40yo SWM, Pro, 25-Jun-10 01:30 PM, #44
                    Reply 45lbs in 2 to 3 months?, Mekantos, 25-Jun-10 01:59 PM, #46
                         Reply Since I split with my partner, Pro, 25-Jun-10 03:17 PM, #47
                              Reply So you 'lost' your 'partner' and stopped working out yo..., Lhydia, 25-Jun-10 03:14 PM, #48
Reply I'm not sure what the deal is here..., colospgsbryan, 25-Jun-10 03:50 AM, #24
Reply RE: I'm not sure what the deal is here..., Eskelian, 25-Jun-10 06:38 AM, #25
Reply Is it just me?, Lokain, 25-Jun-10 03:49 AM, #23
Reply Considering the key not being there is a BUG.(ooc mecha..., Jhyrbian, 25-Jun-10 01:25 AM, #14
Reply RE: Considering the key not being there is a BUG.(ooc m..., Pro, 25-Jun-10 02:18 AM, #19
Reply For argument's sake..., Twist, 25-Jun-10 10:58 AM, #38
Reply RE: I deleted over this. I'm ####ing pissed., Isildur, 25-Jun-10 12:16 AM, #3
Reply Call it what you want., Pro, 25-Jun-10 12:38 AM, #8
     Reply Where did you see them get rewarded?, Java, 25-Jun-10 12:46 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Call it what you want., Isildur, 25-Jun-10 01:36 AM, #15
          Reply RE: Call it what you want., Pro, 25-Jun-10 01:55 AM, #17
               Reply No wonder you still suck at this game., Jhyrbian, 25-Jun-10 02:35 AM, #26
               Reply because I stay in role and play in align and, Pro, 25-Jun-10 03:06 AM, #21
                    Reply You should start your own mud, with your own rules., Jhyrbian, 25-Jun-10 03:27 AM, #22
               Reply RE: Call it what you want., Isildur, 25-Jun-10 08:38 AM, #30
                    Reply Don't forget.., Java, 25-Jun-10 09:38 AM, #31
                    Reply First of all, you've used the word Tattle at least 4 ti..., Pro, 25-Jun-10 10:15 AM, #33
                         Reply You're delusional., TMNS, 25-Jun-10 10:27 AM, #34
Reply You got to learn at some point., wareagle, 25-Jun-10 12:02 AM, #2
Reply Here's the deal., Pro, 25-Jun-10 12:28 AM, #4
Reply And you getting pissed off about it WAS IC? nt, Java, 25-Jun-10 12:25 AM, #5
Reply I get it, I really do., wareagle, 25-Jun-10 12:29 AM, #6
     Reply How often do I unload like this?, Pro, 25-Jun-10 12:32 AM, #7
          Reply You are always complaining about something. NT, TMNS, 25-Jun-10 12:48 AM, #10
          Reply Umm constantly?, ORB, 25-Jun-10 01:09 AM, #13
               Reply RE: Umm constantly?, Pro, 25-Jun-10 01:49 AM, #16
                    Reply Dude...that's on a totally different level., sleepy, 25-Jun-10 02:00 AM, #18
                    Reply RE: Dude...that's on a totally different level., Pro, 25-Jun-10 02:55 AM, #20
                    Reply RE: Umm constantly?, ORB, 25-Jun-10 09:52 AM, #32
                    Reply I don't follow people over cliffs., Pro, 25-Jun-10 06:11 PM, #49
                    Reply I thought you said. . ., dwimmerling, 27-Jun-10 03:19 PM, #84
                         Reply Read what you wrote, look inside yourself and say..., Pro, 27-Jun-10 10:30 PM, #90
Reply On a side note..., Pro, 25-Jun-10 12:50 AM, #11
     Reply There is no rule that says goodies can't kill neutrals., TMNS, 25-Jun-10 12:56 AM, #12
Reply FWIW, I've seen many good-aligned chars attack the guar..., sleepy, 24-Jun-10 11:29 PM, #1
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