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So I figure I stumbled onto something..
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(White Aura) Elf-Paladin is here.
Storm-Fort-App is here.

<100%hp 100%m 85%mv 8037tnl PROTECTED cloudy>
Storm-Fort-App says 'It do be an evil dragon.'

<100%hp 100%m 85%mv 8037tnl PROTECTED cloudy>
Elf-Paladin says 'I've slain the brass dragon, but I know not of the midnight one.'


<100%hp 100%m 85%mv 8037tnl PROTECTED cloudy>
Elf-Paladin glances at Storm-Fort-App.

<100%hp 100%m 92%mv 8037tnl PROTECTED cloudy>


<100%hp 100%m 92%mv 8037tnl PROTECTED cloudy>
Elf-Paladin shrugs indifferently.

<100%hp 100%m 92%mv 8037tnl PROTECTED cloudy>
Elf-Paladin joins Storm-Fort-App's group.

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Yep, I’m onto something! So I run to Evermoon.
SNIP
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<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag Entrance Hall

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none>A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow


A functional key lies here.
A lithe wood-elf warden is here, vigilantly patrolling the passageways.

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none> sl
You are already standing.

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to move silently.

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You go to sleep.

<100%hp 100%m 16%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Your attention to detail fades.

<100%hp 100%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You wake and stand up.

<100%hp 100%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You focus your attention on your surroundings looking for
anything out of place.

<100%hp 91%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none>

<100%hp 91%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none> sl
You are already standing.

<100%hp 91%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 91%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to move silently.

<100%hp 91%m 28%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Elf-Paladin Bridge Over the Forest River
Storm-Fort-App Bridge Over the Forest River

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HAHAHAA! No way can people be this morally bankrupt…
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<100%hp 100%m 40%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Elf-Paladin A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 40%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Entrance Hall


A small wood-elf girl steps softly, wild hair framing her thin face.
A wood-elf warden stands at attention here, guarding the gate.

<100%hp 100%m 40%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A wood-elf girl runs messages here.
A male wood-elf wanders here, looking a little lost in the castle.
A servant hurries past you, holding platters of food and pitchers of water.

<100%hp 100%m 40%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow



<100%hp 100%m 40%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Elf-Paladin A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 40%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

west]

<100%hp 100%m 39%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Elf-Paladin A Straight Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Straight Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 39%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow



<100%hp 100%m 39%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.
A wood-elf barmaid gracefully brings drinks to all the patrons.
A lithe wood-elf boy wanders here, looking solemn.

<100%hp 100%m 39%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A halfling thief sneaks through the hallways, peering about cautiously.

<100%hp 100%m 38%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow



<100%hp 100%m 38%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow



<100%hp 100%m 38%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Bend in the Damp Hallway

west]
A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.
A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.
A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.

<100%hp 100%m 38%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Damp Hallway



<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Bend in the Damp Hallway

west]

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag Bend in the Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Straight Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Straight Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> gs
You step out of the shadows.
You get a large boar steak from a large saddle bag.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You finish eating a large boar steak.
You start to feel full.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag Bend in the Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Straight Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Straight Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized nonds
You step out of the shadows.
You drink water from a water skin.
You do not feel thirsty.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag Bend in the Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Damp Hallway



<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Twisting Hall of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> hs
You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to move silently.

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 37%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Storm-Fort-App A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.
Elf-Paladin's journeyman's boots glows yellow!

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin opens a trapdoor.
Storm-Fort-App leaves north.

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves down.

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Two keys attached to a small ring sit here.

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Elf-Paladin is here.
Storm-Fort-App is here.

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 43%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App scans north.
Storm-Fort-App scans south.
Storm-Fort-App scans east.
Storm-Fort-App scans west.
Storm-Fort-App scans up.
Storm-Fort-App scans down.

<100%hp 100%m 49%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves east.

<100%hp 100%m 49%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 49%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

south]
A steel key lies here, gleaming.
A key with a barrel-shaped top lies here.
Elf-Paladin is here.
Storm-Fort-App is here.
An elite guard stands here at attention.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App gets a steel key.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin says 'No...'

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves south.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App scans north.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves north.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

south]
A key with a barrel-shaped top lies here.
An elite guard stands here at attention.

<100%hp 100%m 48%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.


<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves east.
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves north.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.
Elf-Paladin's journeyman's boots glows yellow!

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin beckons for everyone to follow.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App mutters something quietly to himself.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves west.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves west.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App scans north.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves east.

<100%hp 100%m 54%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves south.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

]
( 2) A set of moonstone-studded leather leggings gleams here.
( 2) A forest green cape lies crumpled here.
( 2) A moonstone-studded leather breastplate gleams here.
( 2) A moonstone sword gleams here.
( 2) A steel key lies here, gleaming.
Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.
An elite guard stands here at attention.
An elite guard stands here at attention.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App nods.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App smirks.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin shakes his head.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves north.

<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 53%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Dark Passageway
Erothaylius A Dark Passageway
Storm-Fort-App A Dark Passageway

<100%hp 100%m 59%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 59%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 59%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 59%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin's journeyman's boots glows yellow!
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 59%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves north.

<100%hp 100%m 59%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

]
A moonstone-studded leather shield gleams here.
A set of moonstone-studded leather sleeves gleams here.
A moonstone-studded leather breastplate gleams here.
A moonstone sword gleams here.
Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 58%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin growls.

<100%hp 100%m 58%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App scans west.

<100%hp 100%m 58%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves south.

<100%hp 100%m 58%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 58%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin says 'No key.'

<100%hp 100%m 58%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin scans north.
Elf-Paladin scans south.
Elf-Paladin scans east.
Elf-Paladin scans west.
Elf-Paladin scans up.
Elf-Paladin scans down.
Storm-Fort-App nods.

<100%hp 100%m 65%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves south.

<100%hp 100%m 65%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

]
( 2) A set of moonstone-studded leather leggings gleams here.
( 2) A forest green cape lies crumpled here.
( 2) A moonstone-studded leather breastplate gleams here.
( 2) A moonstone sword gleams here.
( 2) A steel key lies here, gleaming.
Storm-Fort-App is here.
Elf-Paladin is here.
An elite guard stands here at attention.
An elite guard stands here at attention.
Elf-Paladin looks at an elite dungeon guard.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin looks at an elite dungeon guard.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin closes his eyes with a look of concentration for a moment.
Elf-Paladin is surrounded by a white aura.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App looks at an elite dungeon guard.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> pray Look at these two
Storm-Fort-App says 'Ready?'

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> heroes. Bout to
An elite dungeon guard's kick decimates Elf-Paladin!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> mur
Storm-Fort-App gets a small vial of diluted venom from a large saddle bag.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> der some
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> elves fer dr
Storm-Fort-App starts a vicious series of attacks with his swords.
Storm-Fort-App's flurry MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> agon k
An elite dungeon guard's cleave misses Elf-Paladin.
An elite dungeon guard screams and attacks Elf-Paladin!
Elf-Paladin smashes the edge of a plane of electrified space into an elite dungeon guard, knocking
an elite dungeon guard off his feet.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin strikes an elite dungeon guard with the edge of a plane of electrified space.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab MANGLES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> ij.
You pray to the heavens for help!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Dark Passageway
Elf-Paladin A Dark Passageway
Storm-Fort-App A Dark Passageway

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
An elite dungeon guard's cleave wounds Elf-Paladin.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> pray AHAHAHAH
Elf-Paladin strikes an elite dungeon guard with the edge of a plane of electrified space.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> AH
Elf-Paladin says 'Apologies, cousins.'

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> AAAA!
You pray to the heavens for help!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin strikes an elite dungeon guard with the edge of a plane of electrified space.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin strikes an elite dungeon guard with the edge of a plane of electrified space.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App starts a vicious series of attacks with his swords.
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
An elite dungeon guard's kick mauls Elf-Paladin.
Elf-Paladin strikes an elite dungeon guard with the edge of a plane of electrified space.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab MANGLES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is DEAD!!
Elf-Paladin sacrifices the corpse of an elite dungeon guard to the gods.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to move silently.

<100%hp 100%m 64%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin smashes the edge of a plane of electrified space into an elite dungeon guard, knocking
an elite dungeon guard off his feet.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab MANGLES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> pra
An elite dungeon guard's kick wounds Elf-Paladin.
Elf-Paladin's slash MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> y
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut misses an elite dungeon guard.

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> This
Storm-Fort-App starts a vicious series of attacks with his swords.
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flurry misses an elite dungeon guard.
Storm-Fort-App's flurry DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> be
Elf-Paladin misdirects an elite dungeon guard's kick with a quick fake to his left.
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash MUTILATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> rich! Elf-
Elf-Paladin strikes an elite dungeon guard with the edge of a plane of electrified space.
Elf-Paladin's shield jab DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's flaming bite DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Pala
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's searing cut DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is DEAD!!
An elite dungeon guard's heart is torn from his chest.
Storm-Fort-App gets 2 silver coins from the burnt corpse of an elite dungeon guard.
Storm-Fort-App gets 4 copper coins from the burnt corpse of an elite dungeon guard.
Storm-Fort-App sacrifices the burnt corpse of an elite dungeon guard to the gods.

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> l;You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to move silently.

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves north.

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl civilized none>din be sayin' "Appologies Cousin" as he slaughters himself an elf.
You pray to the heavens for help!

<100%hp 100%m 77%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 77%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Dark Passageway
Elf-Paladin A Dark Passageway
Storm-Fort-App A Dark Passageway

<100%hp 100%m 77%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

]
A moonstone-studded leather shield gleams here.
A set of moonstone-studded leather sleeves gleams here.
A moonstone-studded leather breastplate gleams here.
A moonstone sword gleams here.

<100%hp 100%m 77%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway

south]
A key with a barrel-shaped top lies here.
Storm-Fort-App is here, fighting an elite dungeon guard.
(White Aura) Elf-Paladin is here, fighting an elite dungeon guard.
An elite guard stands here at attention.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Elf-Paladin's slash MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard gets a wild look in his eyes.
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's stab MUTILATES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's stab MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App tries to strike the same place with both his swords.
Storm-Fort-App's thrust MANGLES an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's thrust MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
An elite dungeon guard's cleave mauls Elf-Paladin.
Elf-Paladin's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's slash DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Storm-Fort-App's stab DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is DEAD!!
Storm-Fort-App gets 2 silver coins from the corpse of an elite dungeon guard.
Storm-Fort-App gets 11 copper coins from the corpse of an elite dungeon guard.
Storm-Fort-App sacrifices the corpse of an elite dungeon guard to the gods.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to hide.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none> You attempt to move silently.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway



<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Two keys attached to a small ring sit here.

<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Damp Hallway



<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Dark Passageway
Storm-Fort-App A Dark Passageway

<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Damp Hallway
Elf-Paladin A Dark Passageway
Storm-Fort-App A Dark Passageway

<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Dark Passageway


Two keys attached to a small ring sit here.

<100%hp 100%m 74%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Damp Hallway


Storm-Fort-App is here.
(White Aura) Elf-Paladin is here.

<100%hp 100%m 74%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Bend in the Damp Hallway

west]

<100%hp 100%m 74%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App has arrived.

<100%hp 100%m 74%mv 8037tnl civilized none>
Storm-Fort-App leaves west.

<100%hp 100%m 74%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Damp Hallway



<100%hp 100%m 73%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Bend in the Damp Hallway

west]
A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.

<100%hp 100%m 73%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.

<100%hp 100%m 73%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Alas, you cannot go that way.

<100%hp 100%m 73%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow



<100%hp 100%m 73%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A wood-elf barmaid gracefully brings drinks to all the patrons.

<100%hp 100%m 72%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A halfling thief sneaks through the hallways, peering about cautiously.
A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.
A lithe wood-elf boy wanders here, looking solemn.

<100%hp 100%m 79%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow



<100%hp 100%m 78%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow
Elf-Paladin Before a Great Bridge
Storm-Fort-App Before a Great Bridge

<100%hp 100%m 78%mv 8037tnl civilized none> A Narrow Passageway of Evermoon Hollow


A wood-elf girl runs messages here.
A male wood-elf wanders here, looking a little lost in the castle.
A servant hurries past you, holding platters of food and pitchers of water.

<100%hp 100%m 78%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Entrance Hall


A small wood-elf girl steps softly, wild hair framing her thin face.
A wood-elf warden stands at attention here, guarding the gate.

<100%hp 100%m 78%mv 8037tnl civilized none> People near you:
(PK) Skraag Entrance Hall

<100%hp 100%m 78%mv 8037tnl civilized none> Bridge Over the Forest River


A pair of leather gloves are lying here.
A wood-elf warden stands at attention here, guarding the gate.
A wood-elf warden stands at attention here, guarding the gate.

<100%hp 100%m 77%mv 8037tnl wilderness clear> You step out of the shadows.
Before a Great Bridge


A wood-elf guard patrols the passageways.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl wilderness clear> Alas, you cannot go that way.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl wilderness clear> On the Edge of a Ravine


A male wood-elf wanders here, looking a little lost in the castle.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl wilderness clear> Alas, you cannot go that way.

<100%hp 100%m 76%mv 8037tnl wilderness clear> Ar'atouldain


A small squirrel lies in a fork of branches, curled up.
A little sparrow sits silently up in a tree.

<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy>
A small squirrel leaves south.

<100%hp 100%m 75%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> Ar'atouldain


( 5) A small wine skin lies here, forgotten.
A small pile of green-gray cloth lies rumpled here.
A small wafer of elvish waybread lies here, wrapped in a protective leaf.
A set of leather armguards lie here.
An elven dagger is tossed casually on the ground.
A pile of green-gray cloth lies rumpled here.
(Glowing) A cheery campfire burns in a fire pit, spreading light into the night.
A small squirrel lies in a fork of branches, curled up.
Storm-Fort-App is here.
(White Aura) Elf-Paladin is resting here.
A black snake lies coiled up on the ground.

<100%hp 100%m 73%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> Ar'atouldain


Someone has forgotten a steel dagger here.
A steak of the corpse of a shadowy patroller is lying here.
A little sparrow sits silently up in a tree.
A wood-elf wanders here, laughing merrily.

<100%hp 100%m 72%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> Old Forest Path


A black snake lies coiled up on the ground.

<100%hp 100%m 71%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> Ar'atouldain


A black cape made from silk lies here.
A small wine skin lies here, forgotten.
A pile of green-gray cloth lies rumpled here.
An elven dagger is tossed casually on the ground.
(Glowing) A cheery campfire burns in a fire pit here.
A magpie sits on a nearby branch peering down on you.

<100%hp 100%m 70%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> Ar'atouldain


A wood-elf wanders here, laughing merrily.
Suspicious eyes glint in the shadows, belonging to a shady looking man.

<100%hp 100%m 69%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> Ar'atouldain


( 2) A black hood lies here, forgotten.
( 5) A pile of pitch-black cloth lies here.
A tattered scrap of parchment sits here.
A white fang lies here.
Suspicious eyes glint in the shadows, belonging to a shady looking man.

<100%hp 100%m 68%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> People near you:
(PK) Skraag Ar'atouldain
Elf-Paladin Ar'atouldain
Storm-Fort-App Ar'atouldain

<100%hp 100%m 68%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> A Lightly Traveled Forest Path



<100%hp 100%m 67%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Lightly Traveled Forest Path

<100%hp 100%m 67%mv 8037tnl wilderness cloudy> People near you:
(PK) Skraag A Lightly Traveled Forest Path

#############################################################
So I slip in, snatch all the midnight as the dragon falls, get threatened by the paladin for being unscrupulous, then get killed by the dragon when it respawns and I foolishly walk in.

And the Storm-Fort-Apps Punishment…. Induction.

I imagine the paladin got a virtue for his part in the act.

Unbelievable.

I don’t understand you people sometimes. After I tried to RP informing you what they did, prayed about it and sent a note… You reward them.

Oh there’s nothing fishy about ESL characters getting away with #### my characters could NEVER get away with. Not even a 10th of this.

dvava

gr

Can you please add the Bounty Hunter class? Right now people have to wait and risk talking to a possible Prothero character, we could minimize that risk with this class addition. You could even code it so his class is auto-selected from his IP address. I mean, let's face it, he is a pretty badass bounty hunter. You can fulfill his dream of being a badass bounty hunter in and out of the game! At least he won't be mocked specifically for being out of character?

f

How do you justify insulting someone and then using the ignore command on them? In an RP sense of course. That sounds pretty OOC to me.

You were one I prayed about I think. Hero decked at 11th level, 38th rank less than 24 hours later.

The way you spoke, I assumed you were one of a few on my hitlist of Perma-dudes OOC rings.

Sorry if I'm wrong. I have managed to land good gear and power rank too. But I didn't have any desire to talk to you after I tried RP with you and you basically didn't reply.

If you were the assassin, then I put you on ignore because you we're a Non-role playing mutha ####er.

Wasn't me, was just curious. A log was posted, I don't judge based on logs alone though. So posted this question.

which basically is you talking to Jindicho tell him he's a sack of whatever, and telling him "hahaha" and then ignoring him.

When you were rank 8, no less.

Well he is. If he wants to ruin his characters OOC that's his business.

That was back when I thought he first came out of Hiatus, I didn't realize he'd been playing since the incident.

Not a personal best but I don't really care, given the player.

He ruined his character in an OOC manner and you acted in a certain way towards him in game based on this OOC stuff?

This isn't meant as an insult, though it probably comes off that way. Just sounds like your setting up a double-standard for yourself. Trying to find where you draw your line.

I've already given my response.

But to add. I put on ignore because I would have found it impossible not to be a douche toward him.

and I mean that.

You're breaking rules, and the standards you expect others to live up to.

"For a just cause" isn't really an excuse. You're either on the staff or you're not.

But thank you for agreeing with me.

You are either good, or you are not.

Good call.

You just kinda strike me as a little tattle tale, running around finding anything to complain about regarding other people's behaviors in game.

It's a video game, not Christ's second coming. Lighten up.

"You are either good, or you are not."

That's not what I said, and I don't think it backs up your actions.

You're either on the staff, or you are not. Being "good" is completely subjective; anyone can think they're good enough to be a judge. That's an ambiguity and dissolves the authority of the people are actually, unequivocally in charge of these kinds of things.

Real world application: We have police (Imm staff), and we have civilians (players). Yes, there's SOME grey area in the real world that allows for positions like bounty hunters. But that grey area doesn't exist in CF. There's no demarcation, no structure, no precedence, absolutely nothing to support the grey area you think you belong in (which you're defining as "good enough to judge everyone else and try to help the staff enforce rules but not on the staff").

When a player tries to "take the law into his own hands" like you do, it undermines authority. There are real good reasons why the line between Staff and Player should be about as crisp and clean as possible. When the line gets blurry, and authority is diluted, it gets harder to run, harder for people to have fun, and ultimately chafes at the game experience. And when you, the player, are trying to enforce rules, you're not contributing to other player's experiences, and you yourself aren't having fun.

All-in-all, it's the opposite of productive. I understand you're trying to help, your heart is in the right place, etc. But you, as a player (being NOT a staff member) should try to focus more on your role as a player. Which is to actually play the game. You will be much more helpful to the game and to everyone playing it and to yourself if you do.

If you find you absolutely can't back down from your desire to be an enforcer or in a position of authority of some kind, you should be making it your goal to actually obtain a position of authority within the system (as in, get on the staff). Which, by the way, the best way to get on the staff is to play your role as a player well.

This is clearly not about his character being gone and is more over his views about what he considers cheating which is taking away from the actual chars who are dieing.

Hi!

I just figured I'd chime in, since I dealt with this personally.

Quick background: So, not only did Skraag send up a few prayers, he also told me personally via tell what was going on. Immediately, I started a dialog with both parties involved. After a bit of roleplaying and pointing out what I, as Nnaeshuk, thought was a poor decision on his part, I got back not only some high quality roleplay, but also what I saw as some good character development. It was almost as if a bulb went off as we worked through these misdeeds of his. I liked what I saw, so much that I inducted him.

You couldn't have seen the banter between us, so you had no clue that I spent a bit of time roleplaying and talking it out with him. I can see your frustration in this, but, as I tried to tell you IC, you didn't know the whole story.

I like to focus on the positive. Sure, I could have blown up on them, brought down some sort of wrath and screwed their character up or I could have helped them learn, grow, develop the character, and hopefully see them progress and do well. I chose to go with the second option. I feel it's better for the game that way and, more importantly, it's consistent with Nnaeshuk's roleplay. Forgiveness and acceptance is apart of good aligned RP.

Sorry if you don't agree with my decision, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat if things played out the same.

Note: If you're trying to get into Fortress, it doesn't mean you should go this route.

Nae-nae

I caught the runner I was looking for 30 mins ago and got her in shackles next to me waiting for another hunter to come get her.

Now I can get some sleep and don't care anymore. But I think they should have been screwed because they screwed themselves.

I don't see how something of that magnitude is just glossed over but I said my peace.

Anyway, I'm done with it sorry for the snit and thanks for replying.

What I saw in this log is someone acting evil to get gear/gold, and then getting away with it because they turn on the rp when they know an imm is watching.

Honestly, I'd play more goodies if I didn't have to see people like this get virtues.

nt

Your poor sandy vagina.

You do realize this is no big deal right?

If that had come from someone who wasn't one of the most powergaming of good aligned characters, I might find it more relevant.

gr

If goodies were so severely restricted so as to be prohibited from killing a sentient neutral NPC - which you are suggesting - I would never play a good align again.

The game flat out is not balanced to accomodate that kind of restriction. For example, you'd never be able to wear something as common as a helm of brilliance.

IMO in order to make something like that work,
1. Goodies would have to be able to request from neutral NPCs
2. Sentient neutral NPCs would not go aggro against goodies.

I never killed any sentient neutral PC or NPC, unless they attacked first.

Helm of Brilliance, those neutral mobs are aggressive. If they're trying to kill me, I'm allowed to defend myself.

But Tarus's bracers? If they're not on the ground, guess I'll do without.

It's not THAT hard to do, really. But I completely agree that all goodie characters don't need to be played that strict. Really, you just need some sort of loose RP loophole.

So don't say "Yeah, I'm killing this Sergeant for his pendant." Instead, say "I'm killing this Sergeant, to cleanse him for his sins of serving the black hammer. Oh, and hey.. I'll go ahead and take this pendant, since he doesn't need it anymore."

I don't understand why it's so complicated.

Tarus bracers are bupkis though, they stink. There's plenty of gear that would become inaccessible to good characters if this sort of RP was enforced. The only way I'd like to see this sort of mentality enforced, i.e. you can only kill neutral characters that attack you, is if it was changed back so that neutral characters will attack you if you request from them again. Heck, I'll ask for it. Actually, another solution would be if Good characters could somehow barter for an item off a neutral, but I'd rather see no change at all with no consequences for killing neutral npcs. Maybe Paladins and Healers shouldn't do it.

Here's my problem with all this, good characters, though not all of them, are good for people who aren't that great a CF. You can ask an elf or storm giant for a favor, if you're not evil, without much risk of them betraying you. They might not help, or there may be situations where you're enemies, but there's still much less risk involved. Punishing good players with nothing in return would only serve to drive people away from playing them and just seems like a bad idea.

All my gear was given to a neutral mob after Dullameh and some muter killed me. I didn't kill that mob to get it back because it would have been piss poor rp.

Meanwhile the other paladin who died in the fight hacked down the neutral mob that had his gear without a second thought.

I also agree that a Paladin SHOULD take a much stricter stance than other good aligns. If that was my Paladin, I'd have been in the same boat as you, stuck regearing from nothing.

However, if that happened to a DIFFERENT goodie, I could see other reactions.

For instance, one goodie might say that neutral was HELPING evil by stealing his armor/weapons and refusing to return it. In that case, wouldn't the goodie be justified and gathering what is his own property?

After all, we need to treat neutral NPCs as living breathing entities. And that entity is pretending like we're not there, and holding onto ALL of our possessions. Preventing us from doing our duty and killing evil. He's HELPING evil, and hurting us.


Just saying, there may very well be justification for killing a neutral sentient mob. And using that justification does not make your character any less good.

So the whole getting into the vaults as a goodie would be slightly tricky, would it not?

I never really looked at the minor dragons as sentient beings. More like guard dogs.

Is there anything in CF that specifically says they ARE sentient? Cause in general mythology, it can go either way.

HATED talking dragons. It's just one of the dumbest things I think people put in fantasy stories. I don't mind if they're smart, can figure stuff out, route troop movements, whatever, but talking dragons is just bleh to the ‡th degree. Completely unnecessary.

I think some kind of telepathic communication makes complete sense. As I recall it, Drokolanatym used something like that, but his mind was so powerful it would #### up your head when he spoke with you.

Nep, chime in? If I am remembering that correctly, it was excellently thought-out.

Because I do like the idea of Drokolanatym. I was thinking more along the lines of that horrible remake of Record of Lodoss War and that Dragonheart or whatever movie. Also, I think there was a talking dragon in the Dark Elf Trilogy. But, the Dragon God.. alright, I've got to eat my words there.

At times Drokalanatym spoke with his supplicants directly through the kind of telepathy you describe; at other times he had his 'Herald' (essentially a fisherman whose mind he bent into a more pleasing shape) interpret for him.

Valg always tried to goad me into using the Herald more. I think he loved that little guy.

That said, Drokalanatym was supposed to be kind of an odd case -- an almost Cthulhu-mythos-like creature left over from some forgotten age when dragons were more alien and superior to man than in present-day Thera.

That stupid bastard!

br

My goodies are all decked out because of the request command.

I never request an item if I don't trade a similar item.

And I never kill for gear. Ever.

I won't even loot a kill not my own unless in a raid/counter raid.

But that isn't the ONLY acceptable "Good" roleplay.

"Good" doesn't mean without flaws. It doesn't mean perfect.

And just out of curiosity, how is it acceptable to kill for experience (leveling.. however you explain it IC), but not acceptable to kill for gear?

Assuming we're talking evil creatures here. What's the difference?

It's a sickness man. I don't read past your subject line. Got it? I suppose now you'll revert back to posting your entire message on the subject line.

I don't know you, I don't care about you, I don't read your drivel.

And without char assassinating Malakhi, I can't tell you why.

I said killing neutrals for gold and gear. We all know they killed for gold and gear, not to right a wrong.

Put another way...

Would they have been there if the dragon had no gold or gear?

I just happen to disagree and think it's OK to kill a sentient neutral mob for gold/gear.

I'm sympathetic to your argument that a good person wouldn't kill someone unless their own life was in danger - but this is the game Carrionfields, not real life in 2010. In the game, Carrionfields, my POV is based on both game mechanics and RP reasons.

Game mechanics wise, I think it is a no brainer that good aligns should be able to kill neutral aligns. Players should not have to play on Pro's level of PK suckiness if they want to play a good align. Even you, who've had several PK successful evil characters, had a 5-13 PK record (or something like that) with the last good align paladin you played (that I'm aware of). I wouldn't be happy handcuffing myself to a playstyles that results in a 5-13 PK record. That's just not entertaining to me. Again, I wouldn't play a good align given the current game mechanics if I couldn't kill a sentient neutral NPC.

RP wise, my rationale is simply that these mobs are neutral, not good. These mobs are neutral, not "innocent." In the Carrionfields worlds, mobs and players are their alignement for a reason. There's a reason why you have the red aura and not the gold aura, even if you are a goblin baby. There's a reason you have no aura and not a gold aura, even if you're the sentient dragon guarding the Jade Vaults. There's nothing in the good align helpfile that states you should not kill neutrals - it states you should avoid harming "innocent bystanders." IMO, an "innocent bystander" has a Gold Aura. Neutrals, without that aura, are not "innocent." Again, there's a reason why they're Neutral and not Good.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but really this is a rehash of Valg's thread re: Good Alignment handicaps.

What makes someone "good", in the first place?

In the world of CF, doing nothing, just "existing" does not make you good. If you spend your life on a farm, taking care of your family and not getting involved in any other interests you're most likely "neutral" (hence all the neutral farmer mobs out there).

Obviously, everyone is "innocent" until they are "guilty" of something. Correct? So what is that farmer guilty of? He's guilty of "doing nothing". The fact that he "does nothing" would make him a "bystander", wouldn't it?

So it seems, logically, that that farmer is an "innocent" "bystander". Meaning he shouldn't be killed.

Again, I think you can find RP justifications for killing the majority of neutral mobs. HOWEVER, any truly good character NEEDS those justifications. "I want his gold" is NOT justification for killing someone for a good character. Killing for the sake of gold alone is NOT a good act.


Now, you're an Imm, so it's your prerogative if you want to turn the other cheek to that sort of behavior. But the danger of your Imm tag is that newer players reading this thread will think your viewpoint represents the entire Immstaff. History tells us that your viewpoint is NOT shared universally, with the playerbase or your fellow Imms.

>Now, you're an Imm, so it's your prerogative if you want to
>turn the other cheek to that sort of behavior. But the danger
>of your Imm tag is that newer players reading this thread will
>think your viewpoint represents the entire Immstaff. History
>tells us that your viewpoint is NOT shared universally, with
>the playerbase or your fellow Imms.


I think it's clear that there is no "universal" viewpoint on good aligns killing NPCs. Like I said before, this issue was heavily discussed in Valg's thread here:

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=6&topic_id=30799&mesg_id=30816&page=4

And FWIW, I completely agree with what Valg wrote there.

I think you go too far when you try to justify good-aligned characters killing "random sentient neutral".

I also think one could justify getting the helm of brilliance even w/ Pro's restrictions, since the mob in the way attacks YOU. Basically take Pro's restrictions with the special case that if a sentient neutral mob attacks YOU then you can finish the fight (i.e. kill that mob).

>I also think one could justify getting the helm of brilliance
>even w/ Pro's restrictions, since the mob in the way attacks
>YOU. Basically take Pro's restrictions with the special case
>that if a sentient neutral mob attacks YOU then you can finish
>the fight (i.e. kill that mob).
>


FWIW I was actually thinking of another, "scalier" sentient neutral mob. Whose only crime against humanity is that he holds a key ... and gold :P

Ignoring the fact that my last paladin was Talanthius (i.e. I'm the twat that forgot his password and thus had a very short lifespan), are you talking about Gerandiel?

Anyway, I'm aware that good align has some handicaps, but equally there are trade-offs. If you wanted to balance the field somehow, I'd have thought a much better way would be to enforce good rp strictly, and make it so that only good aligns can be healers.

I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate agreeing with Pro because of the holier than thou and "my way is the only way surely you must be able to see that" stuff, but wow, here I am, agreeing with this guy and Pro*.

I have always played evils that re-geared pretty easily just PKing or killing weak mobs, and often was poorly geared, even at hero (and mind you, I think I managed to kick ass some times anyways despite that).

That said I never really play good aligns, but I always got the impression that it would be easy to regear by request.

- Runaktla

(*) I reserve the right to say that he still goes overboard and despite me agreeing with it overall he voiced his opinion in a whiny, bratty way that deserves plenty of contempt.

I was not whiney. That was clearly rage.

And you should really get over your personal hatred of me. Would it help if you know I don't even know who you are or remember a single post you've ever made to or about me?

>I was not whiney. That was clearly rage.

Those two are not mutually exclusive. You can rage and be whiny, a.k.a. throwing a tantrum. That's what I'm seeing here.

>And you should really get over your personal hatred of me.
>Would it help if you know I don't even know who you are or
>remember a single post you've ever made to or about me?

Not one bit.

But, hate is a pretty strong word. I hate agreeing with you, but I don't hate you. You are a person from an internet fantasy game who has irrational thoughts but who has not done anything personally against me.

pray AHAHAHAHAHAAAA!


Seriously?

I think some good characters can get away with this. But certainly not Fort characters. And I also don't have a problem with you praying about it but you might want to do it a bit more in character next time.

You want to know how to best remedy this? Post it on dio's, no commentary, and leave the names in. Accountability, brother. Nothing like a good call-out.

Why are Fort characters held to a higher standard?

It's entirely possible (even probably) that Maran would be extremely harsh in their outlook, and zealous in their desire to destroy evil.

There are ABSOLUTELY ZERO rules in Fortress about killing Neutrals. Absolutely none. The only hard and fast rule as far as that goes, is that you don't kill Goods. Neutrals, if they are harboring evils, or preventing you from doing your duty (DESTROYING evil, not merely controlling it), then it is entirely possible AND acceptable for some Maran to get rid of the Neutral, to get to the Evil.

Don't hold Maran to a higher standard, when it comes to killing Neutrals. It just shows a clear lack of understanding of the cabal.

(I should mention, this is up to the individual Maran.. some Maran would NEVER harm a neutral. Some wouldn't think twice of it, if that neutral was protecting/harboring evil)


Paladins, though, are a trickier case. But there is nothing specifically in the Paladin Code that says you can't kill any Neutrals. You just need to have a good reason for it. That depends on the individual Paladin, but I can see theoretically reasons why that specific Paladin wouldn't have a problem killing those Wood-Elves. Still kind of weak reasoning, I'll admit.. but it isn't like he's completely throwing his RP away.

Skraag was a unhinged suicide bomber and did everything in excess.

Those prayers were IC, hence the use of his accent.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a Duergar would be amazed to see two uber-goodies behaving like he would and utter a prayer.

One of Skraags catch phrases was LAUWDY! (Lordy!)

If I had been a paladin or elf the prayers would have been more succinct.

My intent was that some sort of divine intervention would happen and I was prepared to play the part of a snivelling snot nosed duergar.

I prayed about it, I spoke to each character about it, I wrote them and the Cabal about it. I spoke to The Fortress Imm about it and (I think) they asked why they should believe me, to which, I asked them to ask the giant. Tying my words in with the giants wear of a shiney new suit of midnight should have warranted a "Did you murder some guardsmen just so you could have armor?"

And I don't post to Dio's anymore, and have visited it once in like 6 months.

gr

FWIW, I liked Skraag.

I've always thought killing the wood-elf guards for the key to the midnight dragon was lame. Unfortunately, it's something that is absolutely, unequivocally acceptable in Fortress. Pretty much every Fortress warrior and paladin I've come across does it. It's one of those things, like getting pwent, that is acceptable because we (the player base) are more concerned with mechanics than really stellar RP at times.

I groan every time I see Fortress guys mowing down neutral NPCs for gold, preps, equipment, etc., especially when they use the dumb rationalizations. I think it's ####ty good-align RP, but it's been made very clear to me that in the context of CF, I'm better off shutting the #### up and letting people play their goodies how they want, because whether I like it or not, that is acceptable.

The same goes for non-Fortress goodies, of course. I'm just using Fortress as an example because they're supposed to be the goodiest of goodies.

You're not an RP detective. So why try to pretend like it?

And why does your CHARACTER even care what that Elf Paladin is doing? What RP reason did he have to follow them?

Remember, you're supposed to be playing a role too. I didn't see ANY RP from your perspective there. I saw an OOC idiot get pissed off at the mediocre roleplay of a Paladin.

At least the Paladin made a half-assed ATTEMPT at roleplay. That's more than I saw from you in this log.


And where do you get off assuming they got ANY kind of reward from the Imms? They may very well have gotten negative comments or something along those lines.

Imms don't usually induct. Players do. So the fact that a PLAYER who had no idea of this incident inducted another PLAYER isn't really an issue, is it.

And you ASSUME that the Paladin got a Virtue because of this? You're just hoping for reasons to be pissed off.

And if this game makes you WANT to be angry about something, maybe you should just leave.

FYI Pro, your char was a mere 3 days old at the time this took place.

Over that very short time span, you prayed about four people you were sure were cheating. One because, in your words, he was "too distracted, like he's talking to someone else."

That's more than one cheating allegation per day.

You also wrote a note that was borderline stupid, about some player who "Has been level 6 forever and just shows up and vanishes."

I'm not sure what you wanted that note to accomplish.

I think the other people who are posting that you seem to be looking for things to piss you off are probably right.

That said, if I'd been on for that pray, and paying attention, I would have probably smacked down a bit on them. I do think it's a bit powergamey and non-rp to do that, and here's why: Those guards are guarding the dragon, making sure it doesn't get loose.

There's another dragon mob in that same area and I don't really have a problem with good PC's (even paladins) killing that one (and doing all the assorted neutral-killing to do so) - because the neutrals they have to kill are essentially consorting with that dragon.

These guys? They were fairly innocent guards who were on the "good" end of the neutral stick.

But back to the point: Your first prayer was probably exactly what I'd have done in that situation - praying that something RP-bleh might be going down, so that an Imm can look into it if they feel so inclined.

After that? You got into what I like to call "Pro-mode." BY GOD SOMEONE IS GOING TO ACT ON THIS NOW DAMMIT! WHY AREN'T YOU ACTING ON THIS NOW, DAMMIT? SCREW THIS I'M DELETING BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T ACT ON THIS NOW. DAMMIT.

Oh and FWIW as the Imm who gave the virtue to the paladin, I can tell you he had the virt prior to your little outburst.

I'm overly upset about this. Moral relevance is not something I do well.

I get that way when I play overly aggressive characters and so I tend never to play evil except in a comical light, which this guy wasn't. He was a turd and I felt like one trying to get him to be one.

As for those prays, I'm the sort of person who, if they see's something in their environment that warrants more than a passing glance, I alert others around me and I tend to investigate. I didn't think they were cheating, but it sure seemed LIKE they we're cheating. Some people exhibit begaviors through there characters that come out in every character. When I see them, or a sertain style in their descriptions or dress, or path they walk, I am inclined to recall previous wrongs. When I do, I tend to send up a short pray.

I've been on the go non-stop for days and should have been sleeping rather than muding. :)

Alright it's out of my system I'm done with this. Thanks for the reply Twist. I feel better about the situation.

P.SM: The Virtue, I didn't know the Pally Had on. I was just saying "What's next? Reward him?"


Pro-mode is an apt description. I am not a man who harbors doubts or suffers from in action. IRL or otherwise.

Just breathe man. Breathe.

It ain't worth the stress you are putting your body and mind through. At the end of the day it's just a text game.

With 17 RPM
60 BPM after a pot of coffee (At rest)
110 over 70
Shed 45 lbs since April.

My body and mine are fine.

I don't stress. I act.

But I hear you. :)

Good work! The rebound is going to be severe if you aren't changing your whole lifestyle (which I assume you are to even cut that much weight.)

Over an issue of right and wrong, I went on a hiatis from 12 hour stakeouts. I don't eat until I am full. I eat until I am not hungry.

I recently came back to Month for the summer to be closer to family and picked up a part time gig as a bouncer so I spend 24 hours walking non-stop.

I feel really light now at 195 and I'm suprised that I've lost so much muuscle off ass and chest. Lol

I should also note that I took a huge hit in the pocket book so couldn't afford to eat as well.

gr

Goodies, especially paladins, have always got the smack down for killing neutral mobs for gear. Why are you all acting like this is something new?

That's not true. In fact I've seen Shokai the man himself say that killing neutral NPC's (not PC's) for gear (not ranking) is overlooked for game balance reasons.

Being good is enough of a handicap without stating that you can only kill evil NPCs.

Or is this entire thread just an awesome advertisement for new players stumbling onto our website and seeing this thread.

It's one of the top few thread subjects and it's right there at the top!

I'll be one of the first to admit that I'm a big fan of the Pro vs Java argument threads, but I'm sure newbies will be so enamored that they'll just dive right on in to CF!

The only way to get him to repop properly is to kill both guards -- there's no rule on goodies killing neutrals. Put on some fresh panties Pro or quit playing because you're obviously much too sensitive for this game.

Cheers,

Well then, I guess they shoulda come back later.

Pro's beef is paladin and storm giant killing neutral guards.

If the guard had been loaded as if the mud had just rebooted, paladin and storm giant would've still killed a neutral guard for the key.

So this particular argument is pretty much invalid.

Praying about borderline RP infractions isn't "role-playing". It's tattling on someone for doing something that probably wouldn't even earn them a warning if an imm had been watching.

What I don't get is...why would you delete over two other character's semi-crappy role-play?

There's nothing borderline about that.

I deleted because I got killed in front of them and my weapons and gold looted by them and they get rewarded where as I suck an Exp hole. So I was like #### it.

How is it even conceivable that they could be Fort or an Empowered Paladin?

By anyone that would know what was going on, I mean. Rewarded by another Mortal doesn't count.

Sure, you saw them NOT get punished. But that isn't the same thing. Especially when you don't know who Empowered Paladin's Imm is, or if they were online.

Or, you know.. what either of their roles are.

I don't think your conception of goodie role-play matches up with the staff's, generally speaking.

You can come to terms with that, or you can continually be surprised when they (the staff) don't treat players like you think those players should be treated.

So you don't see anythong wrong with a Fortressite and a Paladin raiding a sovrein nation and killing their soldiers so they can have better armor. Gotcha.

You're an idiot.

Cheers

Treat every character as new and every mob as if they were pc's?

What ever. Powergame all you want. It shouldn't be rewarded.

Let's see how many people play it.


Cheers

First of all, I agree with you that the role-play is a little questionable. But that's not even the problem. The problem is that you took it upon yourself to tattle on them for something that isn't even a rules infraction, putting yourself in the position of some sort of mortal RP "cop". If you had wanted to keep it IC then you'd have sent a note to Fortress and CC:d those two characters.

The reason I say the role-play is "a little questionable" and not "outright terrible" is that the wood-elves are harboring an ancient evil that they could otherwise destroy. Oh yeah, these are the same wood-elves who asked me to assassinate a dwarf engineer as I was walking through the mountains on the way to Evermoon.

Now I've usually taken the view that goodies, and especially Maran, shouldn't be killing neutrals just to "get to" evil that they want to kill. Like punking neutral guild guards to get to an evil person in the guild. But, at the same time, lots of people have disagreed with me on this and argued that goodies (and Maran) should have the role-play latitude to be more "hard-core" about their evil-killing.

You obviously disagree. And that's fine. But you fail to realize that the staff generally does not share your view. And, even the ones that do share your view probably view you praying about such behavior in a highly negative light.

It's like calling your local police department to tattle on someone for riding his bike on the side-walk. Is it technically illegal? Sure. Do the cops care enough to send a squad car out to ticket the guy based on your testimony? Hell no. And any reasonable person knows that, which is why the cops will probably be more annoyed with you for calling them than they are at the person breaking the law.

Those Wood-Elves are also holding several goodies (including at least one or two paladins) prisoner.

Pro seems to think Neutral = Innocent. That isn't always the case.

This is an immediat indication of your bias and is a word that nearly guarantees offense.

It's use can't be coincidental.

Secondly: The wood elves on the Mountain are not wearing moonstone or mithril, they are using copper. I wouldn't associate them with Evermoon and if I did, there's nothing that even remotly hints that they are under orders from Evermoon. Nothing in Evermoon indicates that they are anything more than peacful, frollicking, isolationists who imprisson rather than execute. Even Dwarves and orcs are in cells there.

Which brings me to my third of all, the wood elves are not harboring the dragon, they have it imprisioned like everyone else who has wronged them. Perhaps they are discussing it's fate and the fate of it's young.

So these two people marched from Galadon, to a foreign company to find a dragon their characters in some way heard about. When they get there, it's imprissoned by a peacful people.

Instead of snapping their fingers and acknowledging that their were sentient men here, they slaughter the four men, who I would immagine have families, and who up until then had been protecting their people that could lay waste to their entire culture.

I'm sorry, that's not like calling the police for riding on the side walk, that's murder, that's mayhem.

I don't see Thera as a map 200 squares across. Some regions are hundreds of miles to a room, some are 10's of feet to a room. I use my imagination to color it all in, it's not a small chessboard that the pieces reset. I come up with reasons for things like respawn and I put an IC description to it. I don't say things like "Repop".

These two characters violated some pretty serious cabal and class rules,and that paladin's code was shreaded, caught fire and flushed down the toilet and while they may not have violated any game rules that would get them denied, that was a willful and wanton act of murder for personal gain.

So your feelings for me aside, logic says, those two should not be rewarded and the Paladin should have been punished.

But you and other's won't be able to get past the PDS you so illogicaly hold.

So far, one person implicitly agrees with you, most tell you yeah it sucks, but get over it, and the rest thinks you are f-in retarded.

So, um, go you? This is an impressive troll thread btw. You never fail to disappoint Pro.

PS Work on your own RP before complaining about others.

To play this game for yourself and to just look past cheating/bad RP.

Otherwise, all you do is stress yourself out on something, CF, that is designed to take your stress away.

There's no flag here to hold up, you won't ever be right. That comes off weird, but my point is that ultimately you're going to feel wrong'ed by someone or an IMM, or some circumstance. Yet you are not in the position to actually ever do anything about that. Hell, look at the IMMstaff. Beroxxus just posted something about not getting enough IMMattention.

I'm sure there have been times Dev, Zulgh, Valg have stepped on each others toes on something.

But you let these things go, and you end up knowing that the main goal of CF is for people to have fun.

Have fun, man.

Don't decide to follow some storm app and elf fortress to the midnight dragon. You aren't some investigative reporter, and if you are, don't pull that crap into CF. Play CF, enjoy CF. Don't try to find the ####ty part of some other player. Because ultimately, I am positive your characters are not perfect. For all that you talk about grammar, I would be surprised if you spoke in perfect grammar in character ALL the time. I'd be surprised if your characters all exhibited top notch RP(in my eyes of course since I'm guessing in your eyes they are all perfectly RP'ed).

Seriously, you're far older than I am, how you react to certain things just isn't healthy for you.

That just ####ing #### all over any semblance of goodness or morality.

It was two characters that should epitomize it and at least one of them get's inducted into the Fortress after murdering a guard who is watching over a dragon that has eaten one of the royal family.

This wreaks of some OOC #### because noone sane could possibly justify that as good IC behavior.

Furthermore, your suggestion to let it go, is no well considered. There are rules and traditions in every game, CF not withstanding. #### like this is wrong in this game and shouldn't be condoned, it should be corrected.

Or do we just say #### it and let orcs be paladins?

This is B-fukking-S.

nt

OOC #### runs rampant. But reacting this way isn't healthy to you and it's 99.99 percent not going to change a single thing. So why bother with it? Why not use CF rather than letting it use you?

Rarely.

This is systemic, and I think it should be looked into.

This isn't something that needs to be done IC. It's something that no has IC justification and thus I have to wonder, how this guy was inducted.

NT

This isn't a perp you are playing bounty hunter on :)

I don't get this pissed.

That giant should never have been made Fortress after that and should have probably been made neutral.

For #### sake I had a CG thief turned neutral for looting a goodie corpse... By Nep.

At least goodie vs. neut is sort of a gray area.
Goodies looting other goodies = mucho bad.

I see your example exactly opposite.

You realize almost all goodies kill neutral mobs like this to get gear? I've seen even the so called leet RPers do this all the time as goodies. I don't think it's that bad because at the end of the day the game would be too restrictive on them if you didn't allow some of this. Now if they started ranking on neutrals that would be different. So to sum it up, while this is definately not good RP, it's not really as big a deal as you think.

I could care less if other people do it. Wrong is wrong.

You only loot your own kills unless it's a raid. Besides that, it's totally different. You looted a goodie. They killed neutrals.

I Dwimmerling am so simpleminded as to forestall subsequent, meaningfull replies.

What you are describing and espousing is what can be called "Ethical Relevance".

There is right and wrong in the world and in our lives. It's okay to get upset and assert your own views. I personally think your view would make CF worse as it condons, if tacitly, the acceptance of rule breaking.

So, um, what's your point?

Or are you ranting again with no point whatsoever?

I'm not sure how else you expect all those good-aligned PCs to be able to get midnight gear.

EDIT: Well, many is an exaggeration as I havent personally seen many. But more than one or two, to be sure.