>I'm talking about the ragers you play, not necessarily what
>happens to them in the long run. Grolgthus for example.

I didn't really care so much about the Grolgthus thing, that was really a matter of politics more than anything. Yeah it irritated me, but I stuck it out and kept playing the character, and enjoyed him.


>Again, time and situation matter. I'll praise anyone for
>taking out a critical defender of the Scion cabal before the
>raid. Use your head about how the odds need to be for this.
> No one who plays this game deserves to be ganged by a team
>of 8. I've seen the crap in logs, but until I see it with
>my own eyes, my hands are tied behind my back. All I can do
>is make it a point to watch the invididuals in question more
>carefully (which lately hasn't been too often).

Ehh, I see your point on this.

>Right. You know what's right and wrong Grolgthus. You
>comment on it every day on these forums. The fact that you
>are sitting here, trying to convince the public that your
>actions were not 'your fault' is really frustrating.

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone. I take full responsibility for my actions, and sure it might have warranted a warning, but booting me was really extreme. I would have had no problem with a dressing down, and would have taken it in stride. But to uninduct someone who was making a conscious effort NOT to gang, was a bit over the top IMHO.


>Most people who care usually live with the uninduct/induct
>that comes after it. Having to practice powers again
>usually isn't so big a deal.

I wasn't worried about practicing the powers, I hadn't even been in the cabal long enough to improve at anything I don't think. (Curse that fire giant int) I was pissed at being uninducted for such a minor thing, and didn't think I should have HAD to go through the effort of re-applying and all that nonsense, after having just spent so much time to get in. You have to understand, I had 4 recs for over a month before I even got a chance to speak to the commander. To wait all that time, just to be uninducted within a few hours was just all the frustration I could handle as far as being in the cabal. I had already decided earlier that day if I didn't get inducted that day I was deleting out of frustration. This was just the icing on the deletion cake.

>*slaps Snarf again for good measure*
>
>I'm at the same disadvantage.

Hit him again. The ugly little bastard.

>You'd be surprised. Imagine how quickly some battles go.
>Imagine how busy immortals are in other windows working on
>areas/doing things outside of the mud. I have a wife, a
>house, a new basset hound pup, and many more things that
>keep me from just sitting around snooping people because i'm
>bored. I don't think I need to justify it to the
>playerbase, but there it goes again.

Alright, I see your point here. But you have to understand the frustration as a player, to see 3 or more on 1 ganks get passed over for punishment, then to be uncaballed for the relatively minor situation I was involved in.

>It went from minor to a big deal. Initially, I wasn't going
>to uninduct.

Then why did you? I was still being attacked by 2 other people, I really didn't have the time to sit and chit chat about it over a nice mug of ale, so naturally my answers were abrupt. If you were snooping me, I assume you knew this. Had I had a chance to get somewhere safe, I would have been glad to discuss my opinion, hear yours, and then make the appropriate apologetic gestures, whether or not I felt I was in the right.

>Again, I'm claiming ignorance here. I give people praise
>for things that I feel are worthy of it. I don't know who
>plays who and really don't care. You can either take my
>word for it or not. At this point, I doubt anything else is
>very convincing.

I wasn't saying you did this because it was me, maybe I wasn't clear on that point. I'm saying certain CHARACTERS, not players, get a lighter hand when it comes time for punishments than others would in the exact same circumstances.

>Do you ever think that maybe those logs you sent me have me
>watching the person even more? I can think about one
>incident that led me to.

No actually, I hadn't thought that, thats why I stopped bothering.

>The approaches I see, again are on other forums with a big
>fat sign claiming innocence and damnation to the immortals.
>I won't take any concerns worth a grain of salt if the
>source uses those means of getting their point across.

I never claimed to be wholly innocent, but damn, an uninduction in the middle of multiple fights when I didn't really have time to stop to think, let alone talk?

>Yeah. Again, I've got my standards. I trust Intronan to
>make the right decisions. We usually talk about who gets
>the boot and why. He usually supports my decision so I
>don't generally feel bad about those I make.

Standards are spiffy things if applied evenly. Thats been my point all along.