>I can think of someway any other class can kill a Lich,
>but a paladin's only chance is to catch him convulsing and
>lagged-out. And when he becomes immune to everything you do,
>including your weapon, it gets REAL annoying.
>
>The day you believe that, is the day your foe's job just got
>easier. As a trivial example, pick a weapon they can't
>become immune to. And stop believing you know everything.

I did a lot of thinking of how a paladin can kill a Lich, which didn't involve a super-group, and with what I had to work with at the current time of Thera, it was near impossible. I literally had about 2 friends that would do it - everyone else was in some war or refused to fight him.

Yeah, I can pick a weapon he's not immune to - he can't be immune to normal damage, that's not the point. I wanted a weakness, and with my virtue, I had the ability to make something a few different damage types - when he's near immune to 2 out of 3, it's annoying, since you just lost a weapon to it.

I don't believe I know everything - try asking everyone else I played with IC, everyone thinks I'm a newbie because I ask so much stuff.

>
>Leika and I discussed this matchup ad nauseum once
>while we were both heroimms. (Mostly Leika. I'm no Leika
>at PKing.) I'd say the right paladin is a lich's nightmare,
>even with the phylactery you're referring to, and
>discounting Force Duel. Crovax, for a variety of
>reasons, was not this paladin. He tended to fight like a
>warrior, which isn't really what paladins do. The main
>problem you should have is keeping the lich in one place to
>kill him, but this is true for a lot of paladin enemies.
>More importantly, you should be able to leave the lich
>saying "How the hell do I hurt this guy?", especially as a
>dwarf. A dwarf!

Ok, let me state this right now.
Save vs spell doesn't do JACK against a lich.
I had well over -100 saves in gear and supps, and being resistant to magic, and he'd land sleep and curse like there was no tomorrow. So if you're referring to that, it's nothing, really. The only thing it saves you from is poison/plague/crimson, which he does not need. He needs sleep, curse, and spams about 20 times to forget, and it's over. You've no idea how many potions of teleport I went through.

(Even my cool teleport ring)

>
>As for Zulghinlour's post, if you don't see the difference
>between "having goals" and "role + PS, octopuseses", I can't
>help you.

I guess I'm just more "up front" than most. See, I'm twisted in the fact that a long time ago, I did get something special - I had a paladin turned into an anti-paladin by scarabaeus. Then guess what happens? He quits CF. I'm a level 20 anti-paladin with no spells, and no direction because he left. Quite honestly, I was a child back then and got all pissed and deleted. I guess, if I want something special I'm just more direct than most because once I got a 1/4th of a glass, and I wanted the other 3/4ths but Scarab left. I understand you're points and I will change my standpoint.

CRS