For the curious, the two classes that really use charisma (bards and conjurers) get a (high) fixed value assigned after stats are chosen. It's always the same for a particular race/class choice, so you don't have to "roll" more than one newbie to get some kind of optimal result.

Also, you get an echo telling you what that starting value is, so you can make decisions about training or equipping yourself accordingly. (Your racial maximum is still available in your race's helpfile.)

For other classes, it's slightly variable (fixed value +/- 1). We wanted a little variation without increasing the total average number of rolls required to get an optimum result (currently 25).

It's not visible for these classes, so initially you'll only have the "word" description. Given that charisma doesn't do much for those other classes, we wanted to de-emphasize it.

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