Daevryn | Mon 11-Jun-12 09:10 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
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#45788, "RE: Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they aren't?"
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>Because to me a bunch of people running around changing >allegiances based upon the rise and falls of numbers they have >no control over and who go out of their way to target good >purely for good sakes seems both chaotic and evil to me. > >If it's not? How is it not?
Sure:
1) If we're going by the old school Gary Gygax original definitions of the alignments, True Neutral has to be exactly what Nexus is. Now, I always kind of found that formulation odd because while I think "I religiously try to balance the world" is a way to play Neutral/Neutral I don't see it as the only way -- by the "originalist intent strict constructionist" esque view of alignments, Nexus is certainly that and not Chaotic Evil.
But let me throw that aside for a minute and explain it a few other ways.
2) Always changing your allegiance to benefit by being on the side with the greatest numbers is very arguably Chaotic Evil. The problem is, that's doubly not what Nexus does. First, because they're always switching to the underdog side, the disadvantaged side (indeed, they can get a kick in the ass for killing the 'weak' side, even if they didn't start it!). Second, they're not switching for their benefit at all -- they're switching (possibly -- different Nexus can have different motivations, but let's deal in archetypes) because they see it as the right/proper/appropriate thing to do.
3) Or, look at it this way: is a Tribunal chaotic evil because they attack a criminal? I mean, that guy wasn't wanted five minutes ago. They probably don't even know why he's wanted. Their cabal rules say, now this guy has to die when he didn't before, and they kill him.
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I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement.
[View all] , Alston, Thu 07-Jun-12 07:51 PM
The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 10:54 AM, #114
RE: The problem,
Daevryn,
12-Jun-12 10:56 AM, #115
The real problem is Pro and Graatch,
Tac,
12-Jun-12 11:02 AM, #116
RE: The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 11:03 AM, #117
RE: The problem,
Daevryn,
12-Jun-12 11:05 AM, #118
RE: The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 11:13 AM, #120
RE: The problem,
Daevryn,
12-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #122
RE: The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 11:23 AM, #123
Maaaaaan. Are you serious? Did you just say that after ...,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 11:18 AM, #121
Couple points,
Valkenar,
10-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #66
RE: Couple points,
Graatch,
10-Jun-12 10:14 PM, #67
RE: Couple points,
Rayihn,
11-Jun-12 06:05 AM, #68
You told my Paladin to talk to and forgive them. ,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #69
Case by case basis,
Rayihn,
11-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #72
RE: Couple points,
Graatch,
11-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #73
RE: Couple points,
Rayihn,
11-Jun-12 10:40 AM, #76
RE: Couple points,
Graatch,
11-Jun-12 01:38 PM, #80
RE: Couple points,
lasentia,
11-Jun-12 02:13 PM, #81
They should be killed on sight.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:34 PM, #91
RE: Couple points,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 03:15 PM, #82
Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:28 PM, #87
RE: Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #90
Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they aren't...,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:39 PM, #93
Do you listen to yourself?,
laxman,
11-Jun-12 08:29 PM, #96
RE: Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they ar...,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 09:10 PM #97
To use the P and G point,
Artificial,
11-Jun-12 09:17 PM, #98
Speaking of retards,,,,,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #99
For you and laxman above.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 09:39 PM, #100
RE: For you and laxman above.,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #101
Let me be helpful.,
Scrimbul,
11-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #102
RE: Let me be helpful.,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 10:40 PM, #103
That's just it. It should be.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 10:47 PM, #104
Fortress can better influence neutrals towards goodly b...,
DurNominator,
12-Jun-12 01:05 AM, #105
You can't unrape someone, or unkill them.,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #108
puhg said it below, you are thinking like a neutral or ...,
laxman,
12-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #111
How do you forgive someone for killing someone else? Yo...,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #112
in cf people die and come back, its not as big a deal a...,
laxman,
12-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #113
All your arguments are rooted in OOC mechanics. n/t,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #119
Your view of "good align" seems far more similar to a n...,
Puhguly,
12-Jun-12 05:17 AM, #107
You're opinion seems to be rooted in moral bankruptcy.,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #109
You are dumb,
laxman,
11-Jun-12 04:23 PM, #83
Yeah, you pretty much misunderstand what he's saying. Y...,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #89
Was that with your elf invoker?,
TMNS,
11-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #85
I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 07:55 AM, #70
RE: I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that.,
DurNominator,
11-Jun-12 08:31 AM, #71
Wait a minute.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 10:16 AM, #74
RE: Wait a minute.,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 10:37 AM, #75
FYI... I think Fortress would be raiding about everyone...,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 12:18 PM, #77
There are evil tribs, and neutral ones doing evil thing...,
lasentia,
11-Jun-12 01:15 PM, #78
I can't believe I have to spell this out.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:31 PM, #88
RE: I can't believe I have to spell this out.,
lasentia,
12-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #110
It's like this.,
DurNominator,
12-Jun-12 04:33 AM, #106
Alas, the majority and imms disagree with you. And tyra...,
Batman (Anonymous),
09-Jun-12 06:30 AM, #34
Would all of the people who hate on Nexus please name t...,
Puhguly,
08-Jun-12 04:38 PM, #21
This kills me.,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 07:17 PM, #22
The reason I bring it up is this,
Puhguly,
08-Jun-12 08:15 PM, #26
Yes I can. God that's a stupid argument.,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 10:07 PM, #29
You don't even understand neutrality properly.,
DurNominator,
09-Jun-12 05:42 AM, #33
Of course I do. And I don't think Nexun is the only int...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 08:52 AM, #37
I don't remember any AD&D class required to be lawful.,
Homard,
09-Jun-12 09:07 AM, #39
I meant Monks.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 10:49 AM, #41
Yep,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 10:57 AM, #42
They could never be Lawful Good. Because you can't sudd...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 11:41 AM, #46
You just kind of said that Maran cant be good with that...,
Puhguly,
09-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #48
Maran want genocide vs dark-elf nt,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #50
Yep. Where's the disconnect here? But to be more clear....,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 04:12 PM, #51
So...,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #52
First of all I strayed when I agreed with your genocide...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #53
RE: First of all I strayed when I agreed with your geno...,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 08:38 PM, #57
My beef with Nexus is how we are forced to accept them.,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 08:33 AM, #60
Play something other than Fortress,
Malakhi,
10-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #61
I have followed through on my threats. Thank you very m...,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 11:22 AM, #62
No, you haven't.,
Malakhi,
11-Jun-12 12:53 PM, #79
n/t,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:40 PM, #92
You are forced to accept neutrals of Battle and Outland...,
DurNominator,
10-Jun-12 11:50 AM, #63
They should. And I do on an indiviual basis.,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 11:54 AM, #64
You're unnecessarily limiting yourself.,
Homard,
10-Jun-12 12:45 PM, #65
Thanks. Bringing it all back. n/t,
Homard,
09-Jun-12 11:16 AM, #44
Neutral ragers and outlanders frequently hunt goodies.,
DurNominator,
09-Jun-12 11:31 AM, #45
I think Ragers should be enemies of the Fortress too.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 11:44 AM, #47
Seconded,
DurNominator,
09-Jun-12 05:40 AM, #32
Thirded,
lasentia,
09-Jun-12 09:26 AM, #40
I've had several, and I still loathe the cabal. ,
Vladamir,
09-Jun-12 07:09 AM, #36
I've played several Nexuns.,
TMNS,
11-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #84
RE: I've played several Nexuns.,
Graatch,
11-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #86
Everyone already has their minds made up. There's no co...,
Treebeard,
08-Jun-12 12:16 PM, #18
Re: Nexun = Chaotic evil.,
Shapa,
08-Jun-12 08:58 AM, #14
Am I the only one...,
Tac,
08-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #13
Take care of this in game.,
The Heretic,
08-Jun-12 08:29 AM, #11
Nexus = true neutral,
DurNominator,
08-Jun-12 07:07 AM, #6
Irrelevant,
Graatch,
08-Jun-12 07:22 AM, #7
RE: Irrelevant,
Daevryn,
08-Jun-12 07:36 AM, #8
RE: Irrelevant,
orangepowered,
08-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #9
Wouldn't ragers be always my enemy if I see them hit my...,
DurNominator,
08-Jun-12 08:15 AM, #10
you missed half the argument, was that intentional?,
laxman,
08-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #12
That's simply not true.,
Graatch,
08-Jun-12 10:27 AM, #15
I guess I don't know what you are trying to say,
laxman,
08-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #16
RE: I guess I don't know what you are trying to say,
Graatch,
08-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #17
I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing retu...,
Vladamir,
08-Jun-12 02:30 PM, #19
Everyone does.,
Tsunami,
08-Jun-12 02:45 PM, #20
Wrong.,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #23
Well,
Tsunami,
08-Jun-12 09:21 PM, #27
Quick addition,
Tsunami,
08-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #28
The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus...,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 10:33 PM, #30
That's fine by me,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 12:28 AM, #31
I personally think it's the opposite.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 09:04 AM, #38
RE: The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus.....,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #43
I understand the first half, the second half is just du...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 02:07 PM, #49
RE: I understand the first half, the second half is jus...,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-12 06:30 PM, #54
It's the soldier in me that keeps this festering.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 06:52 PM, #55
Possible solution, if you want to try it.,
Akresius,
09-Jun-12 08:13 PM, #56
Do you have any idea how broad my paint brush is?,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 07:44 AM, #59
as Celebrimbor, I had the Marans take the key a few tim...,
Vladamir,
10-Jun-12 04:28 AM, #58
RE: I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing ...,
Elerosse,
08-Jun-12 07:42 PM, #24
RE: That's simply not true.,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-12 06:56 AM, #35
Which doesn't forgive attrocity. n/t,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:51 PM, #94
You dont seem to appreciate,
Artificial,
11-Jun-12 07:40 PM, #95
RE: Irrelevant,
Elerosse,
08-Jun-12 07:53 PM, #25
I'm starting an Occupy Pro Movement...,
Welverin,
08-Jun-12 05:51 AM, #4
I thought your post would be,
Artificial,
08-Jun-12 07:00 AM, #5
RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement.,
orangepowered,
07-Jun-12 11:57 PM, #3
RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement.,
Daevryn,
07-Jun-12 08:08 PM, #1
Alright. I wasn't sure how you felt about it. I won't b...,
Alston,
07-Jun-12 09:00 PM, #2
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