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lasentiaSat 09-Jun-12 09:26 AM
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#45707, "Thirded"


          

When I began CF and for pretty much the first two years, I hated Nexus, I hated the cabal and how it was dealt with, since these random people would just come after my uncaballed char and gang him down because I was a storm giant and light tipped. (I started playing around Ilix/Cyrn time). Yeah, light was strong because my 0 -50 PK record uncaballed storm giant was wandering around alone exploring- and I always got weak or no justification beyond you're of the light. So I pretty much held to that view for a long time- screw nexus, it's moronic and stupid (in large part because I did not care for the chars in the cabal- not because I really knew much about the cabal).

After about 2 or so years of CF, I created Allysia, primarily to do two things. One was to try a more pk oriented character, the other to experience a cabal I hated but had never played so really did not fully understand.

Having played it, the general arguments people make about everyone should hate nexus are just wrong. Oh, they will inevitably do bad things as defined by the eyes of the fortress so they are evil. Really? That's just such a narrow short sighted view of things. I always loved fort people trying to tell me how when I killed someone it was murder and it was an evil vile thing I was doing, but when they killed an evil it was some righteous holy thing that only proved their virtue. A maran's own actions are more inherently evil than a Nexun's, since a Maran will ALWAYS exterminate an evil or try do, where as in nexus you are never faced with the position of always kill X. To me, having permanent kill on sight orders is more evil than what nexus does. (This is of course a simplified view- but that is what gets posited by the I hate nexus people so why give them anything more than what they use in their own justifications?)

In my time I saw all sorts of power swings. There was fort o'clock, empire happy ganging hour and the roaming village hordes. Yeah, I fought against all of them and generally I noticed two approaches. Some cabals, notably outlander, made a point of hunting me when they saw me and never asking for aid because we downed the spirit a few times. Evils generally used us when they could to even things against fort power swings. Fort pretty much ignored us, though would occassionally take some help from us when they were badly outmanned. In so doing, outlander and fort really only hampered themselves, but that's fine, that's for the char's RP and mortal leaders to decide.

On a char level, some characters held grudges, others were pragmatic in handling us. That's for an individual's RP to decide. However, as Rhyme I pretty much told every Nexun that they could tend the balance however they saw fit. They did not have to PK. They did not have to raid or help retrieve. If light was in power they could run around and help young evils. The only thing you could not do was aid the side that was in power. In my later years (reinduction period) I became far less involved in raiding and fighting anyone that was not in Battle because I had developed personal relationships with people and those actually would be a reason for me to not hit the maran, nightwalker, huntress or whatever. Only when things were heavily swaying would I be forced to get involved, and generally I tried to be apologetic about it.

I suppose it is easier to justify taking aid from someone who has harmed you in the past as an evil than as a goodie. (mainly because goodies are far more black & white in their approach- you are not light means you are bad- sort of stupid if you ask me) Maran were notoriously stubborn, acolytes however you could engage and talk to. They would preach and try to convert. When I got booted, the acolytes all told me to try and become a member of the fort for example. If part of being good is seeing the chance for redemption in all people, that is part of the reason why as a goodie you do not wage war against nexus. Because they have within them the capacity for good or evil, and are motivated by both sides at one time. The narrow view is to see only the capacity for evil (while ignoring the other side of them) and base your entire view off of that. You struck the Maran once, die forever nexus scum! Yeah. That's really great Goodie RP.

If any cabal raids nexus and makes war on them, outside of Fort and to a lesser extent Tribunal, I don't think it is really much of a problem. Those cabals have agendas to follow that Nexus does not mesh well with (but at the same time they see the appeal in having the occassional ally when they are weak- and when they are strong they're not afraid of them so it's a win-win for them) Part of the Fortress idea though is to redeem as well as purge evil. If they take the view anything not goodie must be destroyed, they're just a flip side to empire and that is not really how most people see the cabal. Nexus is not inherently evil, but it takes an open mind to see it I suppose, and some people either can't, or more likely, just don't want to because of their own past experiences with the cabal. Anything can be justified or rationalized after all.

Basically, the nexus haters want CF to be team good vs. team evil, and that is just a bad approach that eliminates a lot of the intresting RP from the game.

  

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HOT Locked TopicI'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement. [View all] , Alston, Thu 07-Jun-12 07:51 PM
Reply The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 10:54 AM, #114
Reply RE: The problem, Daevryn, 12-Jun-12 10:56 AM, #115
     Reply The real problem is Pro and Graatch, Tac, 12-Jun-12 11:02 AM, #116
     Reply RE: The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 11:03 AM, #117
          Reply RE: The problem, Daevryn, 12-Jun-12 11:05 AM, #118
               Reply RE: The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 11:13 AM, #120
               Reply RE: The problem, Daevryn, 12-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #122
                    Reply RE: The problem, Graatch, 12-Jun-12 11:23 AM, #123
               Reply Maaaaaan. Are you serious? Did you just say that after ..., Alston, 12-Jun-12 11:18 AM, #121
Reply Couple points, Valkenar, 10-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #66
Reply RE: Couple points, Graatch, 10-Jun-12 10:14 PM, #67
Reply RE: Couple points, Rayihn, 11-Jun-12 06:05 AM, #68
     Reply You told my Paladin to talk to and forgive them. , Alston, 11-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #69
     Reply Case by case basis, Rayihn, 11-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Couple points, Graatch, 11-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #73
          Reply RE: Couple points, Rayihn, 11-Jun-12 10:40 AM, #76
          Reply RE: Couple points, Graatch, 11-Jun-12 01:38 PM, #80
               Reply RE: Couple points, lasentia, 11-Jun-12 02:13 PM, #81
               Reply They should be killed on sight., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:34 PM, #91
               Reply RE: Couple points, Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 03:15 PM, #82
               Reply Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t, Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:28 PM, #87
                    Reply RE: Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t, Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #90
                         Reply Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they aren't..., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:39 PM, #93
                              Reply Do you listen to yourself?, laxman, 11-Jun-12 08:29 PM, #96
                              Reply RE: Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they ar..., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 09:10 PM, #97
                                   Reply To use the P and G point, Artificial, 11-Jun-12 09:17 PM, #98
                                   Reply Speaking of retards,,,,, Alston, 11-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #99
                                   Reply For you and laxman above., Alston, 11-Jun-12 09:39 PM, #100
                                        Reply RE: For you and laxman above., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #101
                                        Reply Let me be helpful., Scrimbul, 11-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #102
                                        Reply RE: Let me be helpful., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 10:40 PM, #103
                                        Reply That's just it. It should be., Alston, 11-Jun-12 10:47 PM, #104
                                             Reply Fortress can better influence neutrals towards goodly b..., DurNominator, 12-Jun-12 01:05 AM, #105
                                                  Reply You can't unrape someone, or unkill them., Alston, 12-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #108
                                                       Reply puhg said it below, you are thinking like a neutral or ..., laxman, 12-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #111
                                                            Reply How do you forgive someone for killing someone else? Yo..., Alston, 12-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #112
                                                                 Reply in cf people die and come back, its not as big a deal a..., laxman, 12-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #113
                                                                 Reply All your arguments are rooted in OOC mechanics. n/t, Alston, 12-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #119
                                        Reply Your view of "good align" seems far more similar to a n..., Puhguly, 12-Jun-12 05:17 AM, #107
                                             Reply You're opinion seems to be rooted in moral bankruptcy., Alston, 12-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #109
               Reply You are dumb, laxman, 11-Jun-12 04:23 PM, #83
                    Reply Yeah, you pretty much misunderstand what he's saying. Y..., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #89
          Reply Was that with your elf invoker?, TMNS, 11-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #85
Reply I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that., Alston, 11-Jun-12 07:55 AM, #70
     Reply RE: I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that., DurNominator, 11-Jun-12 08:31 AM, #71
          Reply Wait a minute., Alston, 11-Jun-12 10:16 AM, #74
               Reply RE: Wait a minute., Daevryn, 11-Jun-12 10:37 AM, #75
               Reply FYI... I think Fortress would be raiding about everyone..., Alston, 11-Jun-12 12:18 PM, #77
                    Reply There are evil tribs, and neutral ones doing evil thing..., lasentia, 11-Jun-12 01:15 PM, #78
                         Reply I can't believe I have to spell this out., Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:31 PM, #88
                              Reply RE: I can't believe I have to spell this out., lasentia, 12-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #110
               Reply It's like this., DurNominator, 12-Jun-12 04:33 AM, #106
Reply Alas, the majority and imms disagree with you. And tyra..., Batman (Anonymous), 09-Jun-12 06:30 AM, #34
Reply Would all of the people who hate on Nexus please name t..., Puhguly, 08-Jun-12 04:38 PM, #21
Reply This kills me., Alston, 08-Jun-12 07:17 PM, #22
Reply The reason I bring it up is this, Puhguly, 08-Jun-12 08:15 PM, #26
     Reply Yes I can. God that's a stupid argument., Alston, 08-Jun-12 10:07 PM, #29
     Reply You don't even understand neutrality properly., DurNominator, 09-Jun-12 05:42 AM, #33
          Reply Of course I do. And I don't think Nexun is the only int..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 08:52 AM, #37
               Reply I don't remember any AD&D class required to be lawful., Homard, 09-Jun-12 09:07 AM, #39
               Reply I meant Monks., Alston, 09-Jun-12 10:49 AM, #41
                    Reply Yep, Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 10:57 AM, #42
                    Reply They could never be Lawful Good. Because you can't sudd..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 11:41 AM, #46
                         Reply You just kind of said that Maran cant be good with that..., Puhguly, 09-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #48
                         Reply Maran want genocide vs dark-elf nt, Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #50
                              Reply Yep. Where's the disconnect here? But to be more clear...., Alston, 09-Jun-12 04:12 PM, #51
                                   Reply So..., Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #52
                                        Reply First of all I strayed when I agreed with your genocide..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #53
                                             Reply RE: First of all I strayed when I agreed with your geno..., Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 08:38 PM, #57
                                                  Reply My beef with Nexus is how we are forced to accept them., Alston, 10-Jun-12 08:33 AM, #60
                                                       Reply Play something other than Fortress, Malakhi, 10-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #61
                                                       Reply I have followed through on my threats. Thank you very m..., Alston, 10-Jun-12 11:22 AM, #62
                                                            Reply No, you haven't., Malakhi, 11-Jun-12 12:53 PM, #79
                                                            Reply n/t, Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:40 PM, #92
                                                       Reply You are forced to accept neutrals of Battle and Outland..., DurNominator, 10-Jun-12 11:50 AM, #63
                                                            Reply They should. And I do on an indiviual basis., Alston, 10-Jun-12 11:54 AM, #64
                                                                 Reply You're unnecessarily limiting yourself., Homard, 10-Jun-12 12:45 PM, #65
                    Reply Thanks. Bringing it all back. n/t, Homard, 09-Jun-12 11:16 AM, #44
               Reply Neutral ragers and outlanders frequently hunt goodies., DurNominator, 09-Jun-12 11:31 AM, #45
                    Reply I think Ragers should be enemies of the Fortress too., Alston, 09-Jun-12 11:44 AM, #47
     Reply Seconded, DurNominator, 09-Jun-12 05:40 AM, #32
          Reply Thirded, lasentia, 09-Jun-12 09:26 AM #40
Reply I've had several, and I still loathe the cabal. , Vladamir, 09-Jun-12 07:09 AM, #36
Reply I've played several Nexuns., TMNS, 11-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #84
     Reply RE: I've played several Nexuns., Graatch, 11-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #86
Reply Everyone already has their minds made up. There's no co..., Treebeard, 08-Jun-12 12:16 PM, #18
Reply Re: Nexun = Chaotic evil., Shapa, 08-Jun-12 08:58 AM, #14
Reply Am I the only one..., Tac, 08-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #13
Reply Take care of this in game., The Heretic, 08-Jun-12 08:29 AM, #11
Reply Nexus = true neutral, DurNominator, 08-Jun-12 07:07 AM, #6
Reply Irrelevant, Graatch, 08-Jun-12 07:22 AM, #7
     Reply RE: Irrelevant, Daevryn, 08-Jun-12 07:36 AM, #8
     Reply RE: Irrelevant, orangepowered, 08-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #9
     Reply Wouldn't ragers be always my enemy if I see them hit my..., DurNominator, 08-Jun-12 08:15 AM, #10
     Reply you missed half the argument, was that intentional?, laxman, 08-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #12
     Reply That's simply not true., Graatch, 08-Jun-12 10:27 AM, #15
          Reply I guess I don't know what you are trying to say, laxman, 08-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #16
          Reply RE: I guess I don't know what you are trying to say, Graatch, 08-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #17
          Reply I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing retu..., Vladamir, 08-Jun-12 02:30 PM, #19
               Reply Everyone does., Tsunami, 08-Jun-12 02:45 PM, #20
               Reply Wrong., Alston, 08-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #23
                    Reply Well, Tsunami, 08-Jun-12 09:21 PM, #27
                         Reply Quick addition, Tsunami, 08-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #28
                              Reply The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus..., Alston, 08-Jun-12 10:33 PM, #30
                                   Reply That's fine by me, Tsunami, 09-Jun-12 12:28 AM, #31
                                   Reply I personally think it's the opposite., Alston, 09-Jun-12 09:04 AM, #38
                                   Reply RE: The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus....., Daevryn, 09-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #43
                                        Reply I understand the first half, the second half is just du..., Alston, 09-Jun-12 02:07 PM, #49
                                             Reply RE: I understand the first half, the second half is jus..., Daevryn, 09-Jun-12 06:30 PM, #54
                                                  Reply It's the soldier in me that keeps this festering., Alston, 09-Jun-12 06:52 PM, #55
                                                  Reply Possible solution, if you want to try it., Akresius, 09-Jun-12 08:13 PM, #56
                                                       Reply Do you have any idea how broad my paint brush is?, Alston, 10-Jun-12 07:44 AM, #59
                                                  Reply as Celebrimbor, I had the Marans take the key a few tim..., Vladamir, 10-Jun-12 04:28 AM, #58
               Reply RE: I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing ..., Elerosse, 08-Jun-12 07:42 PM, #24
          Reply RE: That's simply not true., Daevryn, 09-Jun-12 06:56 AM, #35
               Reply Which doesn't forgive attrocity. n/t, Alston, 11-Jun-12 06:51 PM, #94
                    Reply You dont seem to appreciate, Artificial, 11-Jun-12 07:40 PM, #95
     Reply RE: Irrelevant, Elerosse, 08-Jun-12 07:53 PM, #25
Reply I'm starting an Occupy Pro Movement..., Welverin, 08-Jun-12 05:51 AM, #4
Reply I thought your post would be, Artificial, 08-Jun-12 07:00 AM, #5
Reply RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement., orangepowered, 07-Jun-12 11:57 PM, #3
Reply RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement., Daevryn, 07-Jun-12 08:08 PM, #1
     Reply Alright. I wasn't sure how you felt about it. I won't b..., Alston, 07-Jun-12 09:00 PM, #2
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