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Alston | Sat 09-Jun-12 04:58 PM |
Member since 07th Sep 2011
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#45726, "First of all I strayed when I agreed with your genocide issue. I don’t think Maran would be down with that."
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What is the difference between Maran wiping out the Goblin Village (to include children) and Nexun wiping out Darsylon? Both are genocide. Genocide is evil isn't it?
Not if the gene pool you are wiping out are Aliens that lay eggs in your stomach to propagate. The orcs, goblins, and Ogres are around so we can have guilt free racism and zealotry, which is at the heart of the game. The goblinoids have a Red Aura because it is in their very nature to take the most selfish and self serving road possible. Want what your brother has? Kill him. Want what your cousin has? Rape her.. wait that’s Arkansas.. Anyway that’s that. They are born evil.
Conversely I see the Red Aura-ed sinners such as the hookers in Voralian as trapped into an evil life and thus tainted by it, but slaughtering them for personal renown would be cruel and wicked in its own right.
I think a Paladin raiding the Goblin village and killing pan wielding goblin mothers is a pretty sad assed Paladin by virtue of the example he set. Killing off their military class would be fine.
2. If not, why is Nexun genocide worse than Maran genocide in regards to alignment?
Nexuns are just plain evil. You are never going to convince me otherwise. There is no other rational way to describe them. And again, No to Maran genocide.
3. What sets the blood thirsty Maran apart from the Nexuns?
A maran should consider his actions. He may have killed Madam Suzzie Rotten Crotch and her girls with the red auras and the (Herpes) flags, but is that really an epic canticle that represents Maran values? Or does throwing himself at the Orc Chief and his horde?
4. Why is the Fortress "good aligned" when all they want to do is murder and/or kill, but the Nexus is "evil aligned (according to you)" for wanting to save Thera from destruction via the balance being broken?
Killing isn’t in and of its self evil. There are many good reasons to kill. Killing a Nexun would be one example. Killing a home invader another.
5. Why can't people look at things from various angles instead of one very strict angle?
I do, but Nexun is so obviously should be an enemy of Fort, Spire, Empire, Outlander that it’s crazy to have to even argue about it.
Must it be: Fortress kill all Nexuns because they are always evil.
Yes.
or
Fortress can kill Nexuns situationally, but never to the point they stray from their main goal?
Yes. “Situation equals this: Nexun Logs on.
or
some other strict definition of how my character HAS to act.
You can act however you want. If you want to ignore that cruelty that Nexun perpetuates to balance out your good, then that’s fine. But I would think that if your life means less to you than the life of some innocent soul somewhere, you would wack that Nexun, or take your own life so someone else doesn’t die in your place… to a Nexun.
Why can't it be: My character does what fits his personality/role and if it doesn't mesh well with the rules of Fortress, then I don't get to be part of Fortress. I could hate and hunt Nexuns, I could love Nexuns, I could be allies sometimes and enemies others with Nexus. My character's role and personality dictate it.
I’m not saying it can’t. I’m saying that eventually, if you want to do the right thing and kill Nexuns, you get canoewacked out of the cabal.
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 I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement.
[View all] , Alston, Thu 07-Jun-12 07:51 PM
  The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 10:54 AM, #114
  RE: The problem,
Daevryn,
12-Jun-12 10:56 AM, #115
The real problem is Pro and Graatch,
Tac,
12-Jun-12 11:02 AM, #116
RE: The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 11:03 AM, #117
RE: The problem,
Daevryn,
12-Jun-12 11:05 AM, #118
RE: The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 11:13 AM, #120
RE: The problem,
Daevryn,
12-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #122
RE: The problem,
Graatch,
12-Jun-12 11:23 AM, #123
Maaaaaan. Are you serious? Did you just say that after ...,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 11:18 AM, #121
Couple points,
Valkenar,
10-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #66
RE: Couple points,
Graatch,
10-Jun-12 10:14 PM, #67
RE: Couple points,
Rayihn,
11-Jun-12 06:05 AM, #68
You told my Paladin to talk to and forgive them. ,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #69
Case by case basis,
Rayihn,
11-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #72
RE: Couple points,
Graatch,
11-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #73
RE: Couple points,
Rayihn,
11-Jun-12 10:40 AM, #76
RE: Couple points,
Graatch,
11-Jun-12 01:38 PM, #80
RE: Couple points,
lasentia,
11-Jun-12 02:13 PM, #81
They should be killed on sight.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:34 PM, #91
RE: Couple points,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 03:15 PM, #82
Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:28 PM, #87
RE: Because Nexus is Chaotic Evil. n/t,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #90
Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they aren't...,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:39 PM, #93
Do you listen to yourself?,
laxman,
11-Jun-12 08:29 PM, #96
RE: Okay. Not to troll. But can you explain how they ar...,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 09:10 PM, #97
To use the P and G point,
Artificial,
11-Jun-12 09:17 PM, #98
Speaking of retards,,,,,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #99
For you and laxman above.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 09:39 PM, #100
RE: For you and laxman above.,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #101
Let me be helpful.,
Scrimbul,
11-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #102
RE: Let me be helpful.,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 10:40 PM, #103
That's just it. It should be.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 10:47 PM, #104
Fortress can better influence neutrals towards goodly b...,
DurNominator,
12-Jun-12 01:05 AM, #105
You can't unrape someone, or unkill them.,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 07:47 AM, #108
puhg said it below, you are thinking like a neutral or ...,
laxman,
12-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #111
How do you forgive someone for killing someone else? Yo...,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 09:43 AM, #112
in cf people die and come back, its not as big a deal a...,
laxman,
12-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #113
All your arguments are rooted in OOC mechanics. n/t,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #119
Your view of "good align" seems far more similar to a n...,
Puhguly,
12-Jun-12 05:17 AM, #107
You're opinion seems to be rooted in moral bankruptcy.,
Alston,
12-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #109
You are dumb,
laxman,
11-Jun-12 04:23 PM, #83
Yeah, you pretty much misunderstand what he's saying. Y...,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #89
Was that with your elf invoker?,
TMNS,
11-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #85
I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 07:55 AM, #70
RE: I'm not missing anything. I said exactly that.,
DurNominator,
11-Jun-12 08:31 AM, #71
Wait a minute.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 10:16 AM, #74
RE: Wait a minute.,
Daevryn,
11-Jun-12 10:37 AM, #75
FYI... I think Fortress would be raiding about everyone...,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 12:18 PM, #77
There are evil tribs, and neutral ones doing evil thing...,
lasentia,
11-Jun-12 01:15 PM, #78
I can't believe I have to spell this out.,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:31 PM, #88
RE: I can't believe I have to spell this out.,
lasentia,
12-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #110
It's like this.,
DurNominator,
12-Jun-12 04:33 AM, #106
Alas, the majority and imms disagree with you. And tyra...,
Batman (Anonymous),
09-Jun-12 06:30 AM, #34
Would all of the people who hate on Nexus please name t...,
Puhguly,
08-Jun-12 04:38 PM, #21
This kills me.,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 07:17 PM, #22
The reason I bring it up is this,
Puhguly,
08-Jun-12 08:15 PM, #26
Yes I can. God that's a stupid argument.,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 10:07 PM, #29
You don't even understand neutrality properly.,
DurNominator,
09-Jun-12 05:42 AM, #33
Of course I do. And I don't think Nexun is the only int...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 08:52 AM, #37
I don't remember any AD&D class required to be lawful.,
Homard,
09-Jun-12 09:07 AM, #39
I meant Monks.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 10:49 AM, #41
Yep,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 10:57 AM, #42
They could never be Lawful Good. Because you can't sudd...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 11:41 AM, #46
You just kind of said that Maran cant be good with that...,
Puhguly,
09-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #48
Maran want genocide vs dark-elf nt,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #50
Yep. Where's the disconnect here? But to be more clear....,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 04:12 PM, #51
So...,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #52
First of all I strayed when I agreed with your genocide...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 04:58 PM #53
RE: First of all I strayed when I agreed with your geno...,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 08:38 PM, #57
My beef with Nexus is how we are forced to accept them.,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 08:33 AM, #60
Play something other than Fortress,
Malakhi,
10-Jun-12 10:31 AM, #61
I have followed through on my threats. Thank you very m...,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 11:22 AM, #62
No, you haven't.,
Malakhi,
11-Jun-12 12:53 PM, #79
n/t,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:40 PM, #92
You are forced to accept neutrals of Battle and Outland...,
DurNominator,
10-Jun-12 11:50 AM, #63
They should. And I do on an indiviual basis.,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 11:54 AM, #64
You're unnecessarily limiting yourself.,
Homard,
10-Jun-12 12:45 PM, #65
Thanks. Bringing it all back. n/t,
Homard,
09-Jun-12 11:16 AM, #44
Neutral ragers and outlanders frequently hunt goodies.,
DurNominator,
09-Jun-12 11:31 AM, #45
I think Ragers should be enemies of the Fortress too.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 11:44 AM, #47
Seconded,
DurNominator,
09-Jun-12 05:40 AM, #32
Thirded,
lasentia,
09-Jun-12 09:26 AM, #40
I've had several, and I still loathe the cabal. ,
Vladamir,
09-Jun-12 07:09 AM, #36
I've played several Nexuns.,
TMNS,
11-Jun-12 04:31 PM, #84
RE: I've played several Nexuns.,
Graatch,
11-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #86
Everyone already has their minds made up. There's no co...,
Treebeard,
08-Jun-12 12:16 PM, #18
Re: Nexun = Chaotic evil.,
Shapa,
08-Jun-12 08:58 AM, #14
Am I the only one...,
Tac,
08-Jun-12 08:48 AM, #13
Take care of this in game.,
The Heretic,
08-Jun-12 08:29 AM, #11
Nexus = true neutral,
DurNominator,
08-Jun-12 07:07 AM, #6
Irrelevant,
Graatch,
08-Jun-12 07:22 AM, #7
RE: Irrelevant,
Daevryn,
08-Jun-12 07:36 AM, #8
RE: Irrelevant,
orangepowered,
08-Jun-12 07:58 AM, #9
Wouldn't ragers be always my enemy if I see them hit my...,
DurNominator,
08-Jun-12 08:15 AM, #10
you missed half the argument, was that intentional?,
laxman,
08-Jun-12 08:37 AM, #12
That's simply not true.,
Graatch,
08-Jun-12 10:27 AM, #15
I guess I don't know what you are trying to say,
laxman,
08-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #16
RE: I guess I don't know what you are trying to say,
Graatch,
08-Jun-12 11:20 AM, #17
I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing retu...,
Vladamir,
08-Jun-12 02:30 PM, #19
Everyone does.,
Tsunami,
08-Jun-12 02:45 PM, #20
Wrong.,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #23
Well,
Tsunami,
08-Jun-12 09:21 PM, #27
Quick addition,
Tsunami,
08-Jun-12 09:23 PM, #28
The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus...,
Alston,
08-Jun-12 10:33 PM, #30
That's fine by me,
Tsunami,
09-Jun-12 12:28 AM, #31
I personally think it's the opposite.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 09:04 AM, #38
RE: The Staffs very specific enforcment of it is thus.....,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-12 11:12 AM, #43
I understand the first half, the second half is just du...,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 02:07 PM, #49
RE: I understand the first half, the second half is jus...,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-12 06:30 PM, #54
It's the soldier in me that keeps this festering.,
Alston,
09-Jun-12 06:52 PM, #55
Possible solution, if you want to try it.,
Akresius,
09-Jun-12 08:13 PM, #56
Do you have any idea how broad my paint brush is?,
Alston,
10-Jun-12 07:44 AM, #59
as Celebrimbor, I had the Marans take the key a few tim...,
Vladamir,
10-Jun-12 04:28 AM, #58
RE: I get what he's saying, it's the law of increasing ...,
Elerosse,
08-Jun-12 07:42 PM, #24
RE: That's simply not true.,
Daevryn,
09-Jun-12 06:56 AM, #35
Which doesn't forgive attrocity. n/t,
Alston,
11-Jun-12 06:51 PM, #94
You dont seem to appreciate,
Artificial,
11-Jun-12 07:40 PM, #95
RE: Irrelevant,
Elerosse,
08-Jun-12 07:53 PM, #25
I'm starting an Occupy Pro Movement...,
Welverin,
08-Jun-12 05:51 AM, #4
I thought your post would be,
Artificial,
08-Jun-12 07:00 AM, #5
RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement.,
orangepowered,
07-Jun-12 11:57 PM, #3
RE: I'm starting an Occupy Nexun movement.,
Daevryn,
07-Jun-12 08:08 PM, #1
Alright. I wasn't sure how you felt about it. I won't b...,
Alston,
07-Jun-12 09:00 PM, #2
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