>First, thank you for this. Even if I disagreed with every
>point you made (and I don't), it shows you love the game and
>are putting in some effort to understand the issues and speak
>up with some unpopular feedback.


>To the people who will say to stop whining and you're beating
>a dead horse, I say simply do not read the post if it annoys
>you so much. People who care enough about CF to "bitch and
>whine" are not the enemy. As Tac rightly pointed out, the
>enemy of CF is apathy, not passion.

Partial agreement. If people want to simple bitch and whine, then yes, they are part of the problem. As so many places I've worked at have started to use - bring up an idea to solve the problem as well. I do think Tac's post falls into the second category more than the first, so all well and good.

>When it comes to the IMM/Player dynamics, a lot of the
>feedback he gave is his perception based on things that have
>happened. No one but the IMM knows his/her commitment, motives
>and feeling about the playerbase. More than a few players have
>similar perceptions. Do they match reality? If so, that's a
>problem. If they do not, the perception still exists and that
>is a problem.

Given the involvement to progress past Heroimm and number of people who flunk trying to do so should comment towards an Immortal's involvement in CF. I failed Heroimming twice. I was straight up told that if I didn't succeed this time, it's really not worth trying again. I can't comment for another Immortal's perception of the playerbase, but as for myself, I think the vast majority of the playerbase are great and I enjoy doing what I can to add the their enjoyment by providing interaction and engagement. However, I also spent a decade working in a bar and am currently working to become a HS teacher. I am also very aware of the lengths and surprising speed in which some people think the rules don't apply to them, or that everything should cater to them (You want to see how someone really is, watch 'em after a few drinks. It's also insane to see kids cheat on ungraded homework).

>I love me some Ishuli, but you cannot dismiss his feedback
>about an honest dialog after the way Halloween forms were
>cancelled and the resulting forum discussion. The initial IMM
>response was just the type of thing that caused the perception
>of disconnect/disdain in the first place, then the thread was
>locked. I give you credit for the damage control and starting
>another thread about it. I thought it was handled very well by
>Rahsael.

I can't help but assume some of this references me. In all honesty, I was aggravated. Actually, I just had Ishuli pull it back up for me. My first post was simply trying to provide answers, even if they were unpleasant. Both the responses to that post I felt were accusatory, but many of the Immortal decision are democratic in nature, accepted the result. Given I didn't have anything to do with making that specific decision, was against it, and felt as though I was being blamed for that decision, I didn't response particularly civilly. Combine that with working 60-80 hours a week unpaid with little sleep and a toddler, I haven't been great on patience the last three months. The thread was removed before I had a more rational moment to read it, and while I don't think I was the only one harming the conversation, I shouldn't be part of the problem at all, and I apologize for my abrasiveness.

>I'll stop, but I do have an honest question for the IMMs that
>is going to sound conspiratorial. I am just having trouble
>wrapping my head around something. First, I assume that you
>all know everyone of my characters if you have the ability to
>snoop from my prompt alone.

Hah. Most Immortals have no interest, and no desire to figure out who plays what. Generally, if it is known, it's because of RIDICULOUSLY obvious tells. I can barely remember who played what when I can search the graveyard for who claimed a character. You would likely have to write me a note every other week that I can constantly reference saying who your player is for me to know.

>Shortly after the blow up on the forum over my Halloween form
>thread and it was locked, I was one of about 5 characters on
>late at night and there was a reboot coming. Then I see "A
>Gruesome Otyugh has restored you." Still sore from the forms
>being canceled and having played a 400+ hour Otyugh character
>from last Halloween, I felt like some one was rubbing it in.
>It probably wasn't personal. But, with so many disappointed
>players, the curt forum posts and the thread lock, why would
>anyone do a global restore as a Halloween form? That's how
>percaptions are made.

I'd agree with Ishuli. Someone probably simply thought they'd be nice and throw out a global restore, and thought "What would be a fun thing to restore as. I know, it's Halloween. Let's use an otyugh. That's pretty themic for the season."