>>>>>>>"I think that the whole argument that following a god
>>>>>>>automatically gets you piles of imm xp is not exactly
>>>>valid
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>all cases. Yes, in a lot of cases it is. Partially
>>>because
>>>>>>>most characters who follow a god tend to have a higher
>>>>>level
>>>>>>>of RP than a lot of characters who do not follow a god.
>>>>>>>Whether that is a fault of ours (as the imms) or a
>fault
>>>>of
>>>>>>>the players is hard to say."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It doesn't matter who is to blame, that's not the
>point.
>>
>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>point is we're trying to help and we're met with
>>>"bu-bye."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You were met with honest answers and well said
>>>>explanations.
>>>>>>At some point "nuh uh, you" "nuh uh, you" one party must
>>>>say
>>>>>>"ok, im done." If you don't like the expalantion, it
>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>mean the other reasoning is wrong. We certainly don't
>>need
>>>>>any
>>>>>>more chiefs either, so deal with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Honest answers and well said explanations? Where? The
>same
>>>>>"no" repeated in slightly different words doesn't cut it.
>>>>
>>>>What form of "no" would convince you (or Sarien) that
>>you're
>>>>wrong? Or are you saying that you refuse to accept you
>>might
>>>>be wrong? That seems like a pretty poor attitude to start
>>>>from.
>>>
>>>I did not know this was a matter of right and wrong. I
>>>thought we're all trying to figure out a way to better the
>>>system the the imms love to say "isn't perfect." Saying
>>"no"
>>>over and over without reason seems like the poor attitude.
>>
>>Reasons were given. They weren't liked by the opposition.
>What
>>more can you do? Sometimes when two people talk about
>>something, they can't reach a consensus.
>>
>>Israel vs. Palestine. They STILL can't figure that #### out.
>>With full blown, real lives at stake.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Maybe its cause I'm still fairly new as an imm, but I
>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>think anyone has ever said that there is no reason for
>>>>>>>complaints. What I can say though is that in most
>>>>instances
>>>>>>we
>>>>>>> the staff) take a very calm and collected stance in
>our
>>>>>>>responses to you (the players) and we are often met
>with
>>>>>>hate
>>>>>>>for it. Is our system perfect? Nope, but I think that
>it
>>>>>>works
>>>>>>>far better than most people give us credit for."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like I said, nobody says it, but many acts as though
>the
>>>>>>>players are out of line for complaining. It's what is
>>>not
>>>>>>>said, it's the questions that are not answered, and
>it's
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>attitude we meet. Not everyone who argues with someone
>>>on
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>immstaff hates them, but we often feel hated from
>square
>>>>>one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If someone argues with the immstaff they had better
>come
>>>>>>>waving a white flag with their tail between their legs
>>>and
>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>better be ready to get their nose brown. Otherwise
>>>>they're
>>>>>>>likely to be dismissed or worse punished. Not always,
>>>but
>>>>>>>very likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are plenty of examples on these very boards and
>>even
>>>>>>THIS thread of cool-headed people discussing a topic
>with
>>>>>>civility. I argue with immortals the same way I argue
>>with
>>>>>any
>>>>>>of the players. I don't feel like any of them hate me.
>If
>>>>>you
>>>>>>feel like they hate you, I'd guess you're imagining
>>things
>>>>>or
>>>>>>you're a ####ing cheater. I've never been dismissed or
>>>>>>punished. Aside from losing newbie channel privileges
>>>>>because
>>>>>>some immortal is jealous of my cleverness.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for you. Everyone else, is not you.
>>>>
>>>>You can be just like me if you want. Nothing stopping you.
>>>>Well, there is that pesky delusion that everyone is out to
>>>get
>>>>you. Medication might help. I'm not doing anything special
>>>or
>>>>hard here.
>>>
>>>You're logic is the same as "I've never seen racism in
>>>America, so it must not exist." I don't want to be you. I
>>>thought you said sarcasm isn't the way to go, yet you
>>continue
>>>to spread it on thick.
>>
>>Then much the way you misread Umiron, you misread me. I'm
>not
>>being sarcastic either. You really can let it go. You really
>>CAN be wrong on something. My logic here is that I insult
>>these people all the time. I'm just smart enough to know
>that
>>they PROBABLY don't care enough about my one online persona
>to
>>HATE me SO badly that they will track my IP down everywhere
>I
>>go and #### on me. They have as much reason to do it to me
>as
>>they do to you. Why don't they? Because it's your own
>paranoid
>>nonsense brother. Just let it go.
>>
>>It's not sarcasm when I say: Only I am always right.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Your response to me is a perfect example of it. Does
>it
>>>>>>>actually accomplish anything when you take a potshot at
>>>me
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>the rest of the staff) when I am attempting to have a
>>>>>>dialogue
>>>>>>>with people over an issue? When we constantly have
>cries
>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>our players that they want to be treated fair, I think
>>>>that
>>>>>>>its only reasonable to ask that we (as the staff) are
>>>also
>>>>>>>treated fairly."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If anything, my response was returning fire to your
>>>>potshot
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>Sarien. It was clear what he said. A response of
>>>sarcasm
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>nothing more is hardly attempting to have a civil
>>>>dialogue.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It goes both ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was quite clear what he said. His tone was not
>>however.
>>>>I
>>>>>>too read his tone as escalating anger, though so too did
>>I
>>>>>>read Umiron's as such. I suspect neither really meant to
>>>>>>insult the other's sensibilities intentionally. I also
>>>>>>understand Umiron may have misread him slightly (god
>>>>forbid,
>>>>>>holy mother of god protect me from someone misreading my
>>>>>>post!) You would THINK that a bunch of nerds who play a
>>>>text
>>>>>>based game would understand how and when this sort of
>>>thing
>>>>>>happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, it was quite clear what he said, whether or not he
>>had
>>>>a
>>>>>tone of anger is irrelevant. There is no misreading. A
>>>>>sarcastic response did not help, it did the opposite.
>>>>
>>>>Whether or not he had a tone of anger was very relevant.
>He
>>>>can't have a tone of anger and not expect a response
>>bearing
>>>a
>>>>tone of anger. Paid or volunteer, no one has to put up
>with
>>>>some nancy's ####.
>>>>
>>>>Furthermore, angry responses don't help anymore than
>>>sarcastic
>>>>ones.
>>>>
>>>>#rekt
>>>>
>>>>PS: Thanks Rhlydarn. I use this all the time now "What's
>up
>>>>dude? Pound sign WRECKED bro"
>>>>
>>>
>>>Tone or not he makes a good point, and keeps getting swept
>>>under the rug. Who's the Nancey? The one who speaks up
>>when
>>>something is wrong, or the one telling the loud guy to keep
>>>his head down and shut?
>>
>>Eh, look on the other thread bubba. I'm quite vocal about my
>>feedback. Take a gander at my 10k posts on QHCF with TONS of
>>examples of me "Fightin' the Powa' brutha." I'm almost never
>>nice about it either. Guess what? I still understand that
>>throwing a tantrum when I'm told "no" doesn't help.
>>
>>Let's not forget the guy flat out admits to cheating (which
>>you yourself admit that it takes 10+ years to outlive your
>>cheating past right?). Why do you expect admin to bother
>with
>>an admitted cheater that by your own definition shouldn't be
>>forgiven?
>>
>>Did he say sorry and I didn't notice?
>>
>
>Reasons weren't given, it was brushed off like usual. 10k
>posts of you playing with your pud means nothing to me. Even
>if I was paranoid it wouldn't mean everyone wasn't after me.
>
>Sarien and "Current Leader" in this thread have it right. You
>try to shush anyone who rocks the boat and you lumping them in
>with the worst vitriol spewers. It's almost as if you're
>paranoid of the paranoid.

Except I have proof posted all over that I'm not after the status quo. That is a common argument for the people who can't come up with an argument though. Especially the cheaters that complain about cheaters. I can feel your drive to post in this discussion flagging.

At what point do you say "Matrik, I'm done with you"?

Won't that make you just like Umiron? Like the guy you're so hard up on proving is a ####bird for deciding not to take place in an endless argument where the two parties simply don't agree?

Or.

You can put your money where your mouth is and we can double that 10k posts right here in this thread.

Can you prove a point better than me? I don't think so.

Did you just play right into my hands like Sam?

I bet you'll deny it. I bet you won't man up and apologize.