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lasentiaWed 07-Jan-15 10:03 AM
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#57744, "You're likely wrong to a degree."


          

Toning down the requirements is what most would argue for, not removing them entirely. Some people know lots about the area, most people know squat, and going there can seriously F*** a char. (remember the lich that age died there not long ago?) If there are zero reqs to enter the place, how many power gamers would roll throw aways to learn the area, just so they could then gain a PK advantage with ST gear with future characters?

Per your own post, you still wouldn't explore it, so the PK inequities ST allegedly creates (nice gear is far less scary to me than a competent PKer) would only be more evident against the players who don't go there.

2000 might be a little high with the split off from Role xp, but that's not our call as players. If anything, it makes it all the rarer for people to go there, and then limits even more what people are using from there. Are you worried about the super elite RPers having ST gear? Usually, but not always, great RPers are less than stellar at PK. Giving them high end gear doesn't make them death machines.

From my understanding, even people who know the place die there. A lot. It has a lot of risk, even to experienced players. By making it be accessible to people who have invested in their chars, it means they aren't just running in and farming gear out of there, because they have a lot to lose potentially.

Question is, how does ST really effect you.
Sure, the few chars who have access might get gear.
Kill them, take it. It's just like hell gear.
The easiest way to get it, kill the person who has it.

And the Immpet classification of players?
Come on.
That shows your own bias.
Having Immxp is a function of playing CF, not a function of favoritism. Being any kind of net positive for the game gets you there. Imms don't hide the sort of things they look for or reward. If you choose to ignore all those facets of CF in how you play, that's more on you. It's the assumption by players that it is so blatantly ongoing with some sort of inner circle of players, without any real truth to it, that only furthers the divide between player and staff.

I've never had an issue gaining Imm xp. I know zero Imms. My chars usually have an Imm or three who pretty actively won't like them because of how I play or what I do IC. I've yet to experience any negative consequences IC because an Imm doesn't personally like my chars. I know I've annoyed Baer many times with silly IC stuff, and yet I know for a fact on any char I play going forward, if I had a reason to, I could visit her when she was vis and RP with her without any problems. Every player has equal access to the Imms. If a player refuses to play anything that makes use of that opportunity, but blaming others who do, that is on the player, not the Imm.

Some people see players that talk to Imms as working the system. Go spend an hour RPing with Ysal. Tell me it isn't one of the best experiences you have in CF. That's the reason people want to interact with Imms (a few people that do try to work the system can't be used to label everyone) They are great Rpers that are usually extremely good at the RP/immersion side of CF, that believe it or not, lots of players actually enjoy. I'd rather spend an hour in the Inn RPing with characters and Imms then hunting someone to PK the 1000th time.

And since 99% of the MUD is accessible without Imm xp, I fail to see this as such a blatant problem. How often are people really losing a PK solely because one guy had ST gear and they didn't?

  

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Reply Thread locked for sprawl., Valguarnera, 10-Jan-15 11:00 AM, #154
Reply I feel the game is more steered towards power gaming no..., Cenatar_, 06-Jan-15 09:15 PM, #4
Reply RE: I feel the game is more steered towards power gamin..., Bemused, 06-Jan-15 09:36 PM, #5
Reply RE: I feel the game is more steered towards power gamin..., Umiron, 06-Jan-15 10:43 PM, #9
     Reply "One Area", Sarien, 07-Jan-15 08:24 AM, #13
          Reply This was already answered, Artificial, 07-Jan-15 08:43 AM, #14
          Reply It isn't as 'Easy' as you make it sound, Sarien, 07-Jan-15 08:50 AM, #16
               Reply You're likely wrong to a degree., lasentia, 07-Jan-15 10:03 AM #19
               Reply Thank you., Mendos, 07-Jan-15 07:01 PM, #29
                    Reply Silent is giant can of worms. Why I think it's bad for..., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 07:14 PM, #31
                         Reply Apparently it is a can of worms from some player's pers..., Mendos, 07-Jan-15 08:21 PM, #35
                              Reply Re: Silent being closed..., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 08:25 PM, #37
                                   Reply RE: Re: Silent being closed..., Mendos, 07-Jan-15 08:56 PM, #38
                                   Reply Doesn't really make sense there., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 09:05 PM, #40
                                   Reply Not really., Mendos, 07-Jan-15 09:31 PM, #44
                                        Reply That's fine., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 09:31 PM, #45
                                             Reply Well this has been a particularly bad week., Mendos, 07-Jan-15 10:02 PM, #48
                                             Reply Let me give you some tips on how to be prosperous., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 10:13 PM, #50
                                             Reply Wait what why am I on that list, KaguMaru, 08-Jan-15 05:50 AM, #99
                                                  Reply RE: Wait what why am I on that list, Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 11:22 AM, #103
                                   Reply RE: Re: Silent being closed..., Cenatar_, 07-Jan-15 11:50 PM, #80
                                   Reply Wait a second..., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 08:38 PM, #39
                                   Reply I didn't "turn in" anyone., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 09:10 PM, #41
                                        Reply RE: I didn't , Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 09:10 PM, #42
                                             Reply Meh. My brother full-looted one of my best chars ever., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 09:15 PM, #43
                                                  Reply See there., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 10:08 PM, #51
                                                       Reply I think you became Grand Master right there. NT, TMNS, 07-Jan-15 10:59 PM, #61
                                                            Reply became?, Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:05 PM, #64
                                   Reply RE: Re: Silent being closed..., Daevryn, 07-Jan-15 11:25 PM, #71
                                        Reply So you leave it for baer followers to use., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 01:05 PM, #105
                                             Reply I have never followed Baer, ever., Mendos, 08-Jan-15 05:41 PM, #106
                                             Reply Another way to look at it..., Umiron, 08-Jan-15 06:02 PM, #107
                                                  Reply Thanks Umi, Bemused, 08-Jan-15 08:02 PM, #112
               Reply My last what.... Dozen characters have had 2k + by lev..., Demos, 07-Jan-15 10:49 PM, #58
               Reply I have never sucked IMM a$$ and never had problems gett..., TheProphet1, 09-Jan-15 08:42 AM, #129
                    Reply Fantastic suggestions - however they do not fit the 'RP..., Sarien, 09-Jan-15 09:21 AM, #131
                         Reply Rebuttal, TheProphet1, 09-Jan-15 06:58 PM, #148
          Reply RE: "One Area", Umiron, 07-Jan-15 09:43 AM, #17
          Reply You should take me seriously., Sarien, 07-Jan-15 10:02 AM, #18
          Reply RE: You should take me seriously., Umiron, 07-Jan-15 10:30 AM, #20
               Reply What?, Sarien, 07-Jan-15 10:55 AM, #21
               Reply RE: What?, Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 11:12 AM, #22
                    Reply I think he means that he did, but no longer does, KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 11:21 AM, #23
                    Reply Answer:, Sarien, 07-Jan-15 11:21 AM, #24
                    Reply He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 07:13 PM, #30
                         Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 08:00 PM, #34
                         Reply One thing..., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 08:20 PM, #36
                         Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 10:25 PM, #53
                              Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 10:33 PM, #54
                                   Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 10:57 PM, #60
                                   Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:02 PM, #62
                                        Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 11:19 PM, #69
                                             Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:28 PM, #73
                                                  Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 11:42 PM, #79
                                                       Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:47 PM, #100
                                                       Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 12:07 AM, #84
                                                       Reply RE: He was quite clear, anyone can see that., Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 12:13 AM, #101
                                   Reply This post makes a lot of sense., Zephon, 07-Jan-15 11:07 PM, #66
                                        Reply Thanks man., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:20 PM, #70
                         Reply Ok so..., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 10:17 PM, #52
                              Reply When they actually admit it was wrong to do., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 10:46 PM, #57
                                   Reply I see..., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 10:53 PM, #59
                                   Reply He doesn't play the same game., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 11:05 PM, #63
                                        Reply RE: He doesn't play the same game., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:07 PM, #65
                                             Reply RE: He doesn't play the same game., Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 11:27 PM, #72
                                                  Reply RE: He doesn't play the same game., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:29 PM, #74
                                                  Reply RE: He doesn't play the same game., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 12:11 AM, #85
                                                       Reply Cop out., Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 12:17 AM, #87
                                                       Reply RE: Cop out., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 12:32 AM, #89
                                                       Reply RE: Cop out., Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 12:37 AM, #90
                                                       Reply RE: Cop out., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 12:44 AM, #91
                                                       Reply RE: Cop out., Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 12:53 AM, #92
                                                       Reply RE: Cop out., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 01:10 AM, #95
                                                       Reply No consequence?, Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 06:16 PM, #108
                                                  Reply Actually I disagree. Daev really deserves some slack., Gaplemo, 08-Jan-15 04:18 AM, #96
                                                       Reply So, funny story., TMNS, 08-Jan-15 04:47 AM, #97
                                                       Reply Forget it., Aereglen, 08-Jan-15 05:29 AM, #98
                                                            Reply This post, Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 11:25 AM, #104
                                                            Reply Oh now I see..., Tsunami, 09-Jan-15 01:08 AM, #125
                                   Reply RE: When they actually admit it was wrong to do., Daevryn, 08-Jan-15 06:39 PM, #109
                                        Reply That's just....wrong., Jormyr, 08-Jan-15 07:48 PM, #110
                                        Reply Oddly enough, Shams and Graatch give Nepenthe problems...., TMNS, 08-Jan-15 08:01 PM, #111
                                        Reply Team five:, Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 08:16 PM, #114
                                        Reply RE: Oddly enough, Shams and Graatch give Nepenthe probl..., Bemused, 08-Jan-15 08:16 PM, #115
                                        Reply I think you were gone when..., TMNS, 09-Jan-15 03:29 AM, #128
                                             Reply Duh, you want me. To bring you all sick gear., Gaplemo, 09-Jan-15 06:21 PM, #147
                                        Reply RE: Oddly enough, Shams and Graatch give Nepenthe probl..., Destuvius, 08-Jan-15 09:18 PM, #118
                                        Reply I was impressed with your PK as a mort!, TMNS, 09-Jan-15 12:02 AM, #120
                                        Reply The only way I give Nep problems..., TheBluestThumb, 09-Jan-15 01:08 AM, #124
                                             Reply That's exactly why you are there!, TMNS, 09-Jan-15 01:59 AM, #127
                                             Reply RE: The only way I give Nep problems..., Daevryn, 09-Jan-15 09:16 AM, #130
                                        Reply Simple answer, Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 08:14 PM, #113
                                        Reply I'd love to have this happen, Artificial, 08-Jan-15 08:31 PM, #116
                                        Reply I am curious, Artificial, 08-Jan-15 08:32 PM, #117
                                        Reply RE: I am curious, Daevryn, 08-Jan-15 09:39 PM, #119
                                             Reply You're relatively easy to spot because you are too low-..., TMNS, 09-Jan-15 12:05 AM, #121
                                             Reply Telnet!? , TJHuron, 09-Jan-15 12:50 AM, #122
                                             Reply RE: Telnet!? , Daevryn, 09-Jan-15 10:56 AM, #136
                                                  Reply It's official, Nep is actually an IA with built in tele..., KoeKhaos, 09-Jan-15 12:29 PM, #140
                                                  Reply So you don't subscribe to the Jerry method of gearing B..., TJHuron, 09-Jan-15 02:02 PM, #141
                                                  Reply RE: So you don't subscribe to the Jerry method of geari..., Daevryn, 09-Jan-15 02:12 PM, #142
                                                  Reply Since we are asking reasonable questions., Gaplemo, 09-Jan-15 06:16 PM, #146
                                                       Reply Z could have been a guy who later IMM'd at CF-derivativ..., TMNS, 09-Jan-15 07:44 PM, #150
                                                       Reply Not really no., Gaplemo, 09-Jan-15 07:52 PM, #151
                                                       Reply I actually talked to Dioxide about this, Dallevian, 09-Jan-15 08:05 PM, #152
                                             Reply RE: I am curious, Jaegendar, 09-Jan-15 01:05 AM, #123
                                             Reply But you did play OP w-elf sword zerker., Dallevian, 09-Jan-15 09:45 AM, #133
                                                  Reply RE: But you did play OP w-elf sword zerker., Daevryn, 09-Jan-15 10:39 AM, #135
                                        Reply I meant to say cheated, not cheats., Aereglen, 09-Jan-15 01:28 AM, #126
                                             Reply RE: I meant to say cheated, not cheats., Daevryn, 09-Jan-15 10:38 AM, #134
                                                  Reply RE: I meant to say cheated, not cheats., N b M, 09-Jan-15 10:46 AM, #137
                                                  Reply To add something else, N b M, 09-Jan-15 11:48 AM, #139
                                                  Reply RE: I meant to say cheated, not cheats., Aereglen, 09-Jan-15 02:55 PM, #143
                                                  Reply For me, here's your scorecard..., TMNS, 09-Jan-15 03:55 PM, #144
                                                       Reply Confused on the perma thing, Rayihn, 09-Jan-15 06:06 PM, #145
                                                            Reply Mostly in the past yeah., TMNS, 09-Jan-15 07:48 PM, #149
                                                                 Reply RE: Mostly in the past yeah., Rayihn, 09-Jan-15 11:50 PM, #153
               Reply Umi? Baby!, Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 09:38 PM, #46
          Reply Look at it from our perspective?, Cenatar_, 07-Jan-15 06:30 PM, #28
               Reply All you needed was the first three sentences., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 07:17 PM, #33
               Reply Bro., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 09:54 PM, #49
               Reply To Be Fair, Bemused, 07-Jan-15 10:35 PM, #55
               Reply ...what?, Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 10:45 PM, #56
                    Reply S-MUG., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 11:09 PM, #67
                         Reply I'm not sure that I want to..., Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:14 PM, #68
                         Reply Lol Proud Blade, Gaplemo, 08-Jan-15 12:13 AM, #86
                              Reply Right on., Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 12:17 AM, #88
               Reply Does it matter that it was long ago if it is seen as al..., Cenatar_, 07-Jan-15 11:41 PM, #78
                    Reply Do they need to?, Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:52 PM, #81
                         Reply RE: Do they need to?, Cenatar_, 08-Jan-15 12:00 AM, #82
                              Reply RE: Do they need to?, Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 12:02 AM, #83
               Reply RE: Look at it from our perspective?, Daevryn, 07-Jan-15 11:30 PM, #75
                    Reply Hey pal, Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 11:34 PM, #76
                    Reply I'm not complaining, Cenatar_, 07-Jan-15 11:47 PM, #77
                         Reply RE: I'm not complaining, Jaegendar, 08-Jan-15 12:58 AM, #93
                              Reply Preach it brother., Tsunami, 08-Jan-15 01:00 AM, #94
          Reply RE: , Bemused, 07-Jan-15 09:44 PM, #47
Reply RE: I feel the game is more steered towards power gamin..., Umiron, 06-Jan-15 09:39 PM, #6
     Reply RE: I feel the game is more steered towards power gamin..., Cenatar_, 06-Jan-15 10:23 PM, #7
     Reply RE: I feel the game is more steered towards power gamin..., Umiron, 06-Jan-15 10:35 PM, #8
          Reply Really wish that silent exp requirement would half, Current leader (Anonymous), 07-Jan-15 04:39 AM, #10
          Reply RE: Really wish that silent exp requirement would half, Different Current Leader (Anonymous), 07-Jan-15 08:43 AM, #15
               Reply The problem is it creates a huge imbalance., Current leader (Anonymous), 07-Jan-15 02:10 PM, #25
                    Reply This is spot on., Sarien, 07-Jan-15 03:18 PM, #26
                    Reply Gated, Tsunami, 07-Jan-15 04:13 PM, #27
                    Reply IMMs please look at this post, he's got it right. nt, Aereglen, 07-Jan-15 07:15 PM, #32
                    Reply I will echo again, most CF players suck at assessing va..., laxman, 08-Jan-15 10:42 AM, #102
                         Reply Not true, incognito, 09-Jan-15 09:27 AM, #132
                              Reply Edge case vs common case, laxman, 09-Jan-15 11:22 AM, #138
          Reply I heroed a warrior once with less than 90% parry. And t..., KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 05:15 AM, #12
     Reply You're doing practice wrong, KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 05:11 AM, #11
Reply I think the sentiment is nice but..., Eskelian, 06-Jan-15 01:16 PM, #2
Reply I posted something on the OT forum about "Playing Catch..., Tac, 06-Jan-15 02:17 PM, #3
Reply As a veteran since 1995 and not a newbie, I totally agr..., Polmier (Anonymous), 06-Jan-15 09:32 AM, #1
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