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ValkenarFri 10-Feb-12 09:40 AM
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#43227, "What you're missing"
Edited on Fri 10-Feb-12 09:43 AM

          

>Neutrality, as it was originally intended by Gary Gygax, and
>how it came to be adopted in genres which use the LG to CE
>spectrum, was not meant as a balance between actions.

CF uses those words, but they aren't meant to mean the same thingI absolutely agree with what you're saying when it comes to real life and in some other games and books. Maybe it was a mistake for CF to use the same alignment/ethos words. Perhaps they should've been called Morality and Organization or something. If it helps, you can replace those words in your head.

Because the fact is that CF simply defines neutral differently than it is defined in other contexts. In CF neutral really does mean that you are either intentionally balancing good and evil acts, or that you are willing to kill for some grand purpose, but not your own direct benefit, as often.

The whole scale in CF is more evil than it is in reality. In CF, a good character would be considered neutral in reality, neutral in CF would be actually quite evil in reality, and evil in CF is just so ridiculously sociopathic there are only two or three examples in history of people who are that evil, and even that is debateable.

That is simple how it is defined in CF. The words are the same, but the meaning is different.

  

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HOT TopicWhy do people dislike Nexus? [View all] , Puhguly, Thu 09-Feb-12 08:16 AM
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, Elerosse, 10-Feb-12 01:59 AM, #43
Reply Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way., DurNominator, 10-Feb-12 03:11 AM, #44
     Reply Totally disagee and can't fall in line with this logic., Alston, 10-Feb-12 03:33 AM, #46
     Reply And I totally disagree with your logic., DurNominator, 10-Feb-12 05:08 AM, #47
     Reply Actually, it seems to me that I am the one who understa..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 05:23 AM, #48
          Reply My take on your posts here., Kalageadon, 10-Feb-12 08:01 AM, #50
          Reply Accidently killing a good person isn't an evil act., Alston, 10-Feb-12 08:34 AM, #51
               Reply On the fact that your saying it is chaotic shows your l..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:17 AM, #52
               Reply You wasted a lot of text on me. I read it, I think you ..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 09:37 AM, #56
                    Reply Again:, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:23 AM, #73
                         Reply I do not agree with how you think alignment works and....., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:42 PM, #76
                              Reply You fail to remember one thing:, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:44 PM, #79
                                   Reply Funny you should say that because,, Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:53 PM, #84
                                        Reply Fine by me,, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:56 PM, #86
               Reply What you're missing, Valkenar, 10-Feb-12 09:43 AM #57
               Reply I agree with what you are saying, but I'm not missing t..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:10 AM, #59
                    Reply Neutral is the hardest to Roleplay in a hardcore manner..., Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:28 AM, #74
                    Reply Why not accept CF?, Valkenar, 10-Feb-12 12:42 PM, #77
                         Reply I don't think most people play neutral properly in gene..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:46 PM, #80
               Reply Nexus vs Neutral, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:21 AM, #71
          Reply More like Lawful Good, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 10:14 AM, #62
               Reply The concept of Balance exists for them., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:18 AM, #64
                    Reply RE: The concept of Balance exists for them., Daevryn, 10-Feb-12 10:40 AM, #66
                    Reply Which is another sticking point with me., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:39 PM, #75
                         Reply RE: Which is another sticking point with me., Daevryn, 10-Feb-12 01:18 PM, #87
                              Reply This. NT ~, Batman (Anonymous), 10-Feb-12 03:00 PM, #88
                    Reply Plus, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:07 AM, #68
                         Reply The concept may exist, but it doesn't exist for everybo..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:43 PM, #78
                              Reply It can't exist AND not-exist., Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:45 PM, #81
                                   Reply I gave in on Dry quicksand, but I will drown in it befo..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:47 PM, #82
                                        Reply Prepare to drown sir. nt, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:48 PM, #83
                                             Reply It'll have to be tomorrow. I got a 5k run at 4am., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:55 PM, #85
     Reply Fort does Evil every day, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 10:11 AM, #60
          Reply I disagree with that., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:28 AM, #65
          Reply All life is not sacred in Thera., Vortex Magus, 10-Feb-12 11:10 AM, #69
               Reply You both misunderstand me., Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:17 AM, #70
     Reply RE: Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way., Malakhi, 10-Feb-12 11:21 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way., Elerosse, 10-Feb-12 05:44 PM, #89
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, Neltouda, 09-Feb-12 09:43 PM, #41
Reply Triple seconded nt, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 10:09 AM, #58
Reply Awesome Feedback and discussion all. Thank you, and one..., Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 07:20 PM, #34
Reply Sure, Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 07:28 PM, #35
     Reply Eww, Terry Goodkind., Vortex Magus, 09-Feb-12 07:52 PM, #36
          Reply Not Terry Pratchett, Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 08:04 PM, #37
          Reply I actually meant Pratchett, Vortex Magus, 09-Feb-12 08:26 PM, #39
               Reply RE: I actually meant Pratchett, Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 08:32 PM, #40
          Reply Discworld is Pratchett, bobbyp, 09-Feb-12 08:25 PM, #38
               Reply BoltThrower/ShaidarHaran/Rahvin sent me a book..., Twist, 10-Feb-12 12:19 AM, #42
                    Reply Love all of Pratchett's books and have them all in a ne..., Abernyte, 10-Feb-12 07:19 AM, #49
Reply For me it's pretty simple, fist-law, 09-Feb-12 05:54 PM, #32
Reply After arena with some Nexans, The-me, 09-Feb-12 12:44 PM, #25
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, bobbyp, 09-Feb-12 10:55 AM, #21
Reply Some Thoughts..., Tac, 09-Feb-12 09:00 AM, #18
Reply Serial Villager Weighing In., Homard, 09-Feb-12 08:54 AM, #17
Reply Win! , Alston, 09-Feb-12 11:25 AM, #24
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, Chulun (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 07:25 AM, #14
Reply I mostly hate the nexus-fort dynamic., Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 05:54 AM, #6
Reply Hey now, you didn't get unindected for spending a whole..., Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 06:20 AM, #7
Reply One of the reasons I really REALLY wanted to kill you t..., Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 06:49 AM, #10
     Reply Nothing against you, but this is another reason I don't..., Alston, 09-Feb-12 11:20 AM, #23
     Reply RE: Nothing against you, but this is another reason I d..., Daevryn, 09-Feb-12 03:05 PM, #29
     Reply Im just going to say your one of those people who can o..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:22 AM, #53
          Reply You see, I feel like I am not seeing in black and white..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:16 AM, #63
               Reply Which is fine I personally dont have any concise oponio..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 10:53 AM, #67
     Reply Nexus Dynamic with Fort Consideration., Kalageadon, 09-Feb-12 04:26 PM, #30
Reply Thats called Nexus doing it's job, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 06:43 AM, #9
Reply I don't mind ganking for the most part, Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 07:04 AM, #12
     Reply I can see how that might be annoying, but, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 07:12 AM, #13
Reply I disagree on this., Allysia (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 09:14 AM, #19
Reply I think what you said is all basically true., Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 10:04 AM, #20
     Reply RE: I think what you said is all basically true., lasentia, 09-Feb-12 01:24 PM, #26
Reply RE: I mostly hate the nexus-fort dynamic., Daevryn, 09-Feb-12 03:02 PM, #27
     Reply Nailed it. I think this jibes with most Fort-upswing ex..., blackbird, 09-Feb-12 06:02 PM, #33
          Reply Since I have played I have never seen Fort in a "downsw..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:24 AM, #54
Reply I dislike them because:, Amberion, 09-Feb-12 05:52 AM, #5
Reply Something you might find about Nexus, Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 06:24 AM, #8
     Reply This, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 06:59 AM, #11
Reply I love Nexus, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 05:44 AM, #4
Reply Because they are evil., Alston, 09-Feb-12 05:13 AM, #3
Reply So since you as a player dislike the Cabal, your rp suf..., Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 06:22 AM, #15
Reply Ok kids - , Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 08:17 AM, #16
Reply I'm not trying to flame or troll here, but my RP does n..., Alston, 09-Feb-12 11:09 AM, #22
     Reply So you're saying that you'll attempt to pk (even multi-..., jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 03:04 PM, #28
          Reply Sure. Tips for RP'ing with Nexun in side., Alston, 10-Feb-12 03:20 AM, #45
               Reply From now on Im making a nexun flyto/offensive murder gn..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:27 AM, #55
                    Reply Don't forget the magic word!, Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:12 AM, #61
Reply Somebody please protect this man from himself and his c..., Lhydia, 09-Feb-12 04:37 PM, #31
Reply We all wanted Masters back instead., TMNS, 09-Feb-12 01:19 AM, #2
Reply Flip flopping mainly, Oldril, 08-Feb-12 10:28 PM, #1
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