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AlstonFri 10-Feb-12 08:34 AM
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#43219, "Accidently killing a good person isn't an evil act."


          

While tragic, and possibly criminal it lacks intent.

Going out of your way to kill someone with premeditation, for no other reason than personal gain is an evil act.

I go so far as to say a good player who kills an evil mob for its equipment is committing an evil act. It's not the aura of the person killed so much as it is the intent of the killer.

This is why, for me, Nexus fails and it is not a truly neutral cabal.

Neutrality, as it was originally intended by Gary Gygax, and how it came to be adopted in genres which use the LG to CE spectrum, was not meant as a balance between actions. It actually had two facets; An individual or group who did not take sides on issues of politics or morality. Or, a creature or entity that was unthinking and thus incapable of being either good or evil.


Killing one child for the purpose of ranking, or even getting a single copper, in my estimation is purely evil and can't be balanced out by killing an orc. In fact, if you are killing an orc as a way of atonement for killing a kid, then that too is an act rooted in personal gain at the expense of killing another. This would make it shady at best. Granted it is an orc and no one will miss it (Even another orc) but the intent wasn't self-preservation, it was for a different reason all together.

I separate this distinction when it comes to killing non-sentients, undead, or hordes of evil creatures clearly arrayed for war. And I will play it out as if I am on a mission too erradicate a force hell bent of mayhem and destruction. But I refuse to say, “Let's go kill X for his sword!”, simply because I want to wield his sword. I might RP it in this way! Look out for that X! He has a sharp sword! Die X! Hrm, this sword is sharper than mine. I shall keep it and put it to good use.


The new kinship command further solidifies my stance, since now there is next to NO reason for a goody to kill a neutral for his gear now.

Anyway, that's where I stand on it. Some people have tried to make logical arguments for neutrals and to date, I have not been swayed.

Nexus is simply Chaotic Evil cabal in my eyes.

  

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HOT TopicWhy do people dislike Nexus? [View all] , Puhguly, Thu 09-Feb-12 08:16 AM
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, Elerosse, 10-Feb-12 01:59 AM, #43
Reply Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way., DurNominator, 10-Feb-12 03:11 AM, #44
     Reply Totally disagee and can't fall in line with this logic., Alston, 10-Feb-12 03:33 AM, #46
     Reply And I totally disagree with your logic., DurNominator, 10-Feb-12 05:08 AM, #47
     Reply Actually, it seems to me that I am the one who understa..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 05:23 AM, #48
          Reply My take on your posts here., Kalageadon, 10-Feb-12 08:01 AM, #50
          Reply Accidently killing a good person isn't an evil act., Alston, 10-Feb-12 08:34 AM #51
               Reply On the fact that your saying it is chaotic shows your l..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:17 AM, #52
               Reply You wasted a lot of text on me. I read it, I think you ..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 09:37 AM, #56
                    Reply Again:, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:23 AM, #73
                         Reply I do not agree with how you think alignment works and....., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:42 PM, #76
                              Reply You fail to remember one thing:, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:44 PM, #79
                                   Reply Funny you should say that because,, Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:53 PM, #84
                                        Reply Fine by me,, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:56 PM, #86
               Reply What you're missing, Valkenar, 10-Feb-12 09:43 AM, #57
               Reply I agree with what you are saying, but I'm not missing t..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:10 AM, #59
                    Reply Neutral is the hardest to Roleplay in a hardcore manner..., Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:28 AM, #74
                    Reply Why not accept CF?, Valkenar, 10-Feb-12 12:42 PM, #77
                         Reply I don't think most people play neutral properly in gene..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:46 PM, #80
               Reply Nexus vs Neutral, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:21 AM, #71
          Reply More like Lawful Good, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 10:14 AM, #62
               Reply The concept of Balance exists for them., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:18 AM, #64
                    Reply RE: The concept of Balance exists for them., Daevryn, 10-Feb-12 10:40 AM, #66
                    Reply Which is another sticking point with me., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:39 PM, #75
                         Reply RE: Which is another sticking point with me., Daevryn, 10-Feb-12 01:18 PM, #87
                              Reply This. NT ~, Batman (Anonymous), 10-Feb-12 03:00 PM, #88
                    Reply Plus, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:07 AM, #68
                         Reply The concept may exist, but it doesn't exist for everybo..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:43 PM, #78
                              Reply It can't exist AND not-exist., Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:45 PM, #81
                                   Reply I gave in on Dry quicksand, but I will drown in it befo..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:47 PM, #82
                                        Reply Prepare to drown sir. nt, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 12:48 PM, #83
                                             Reply It'll have to be tomorrow. I got a 5k run at 4am., Alston, 10-Feb-12 12:55 PM, #85
     Reply Fort does Evil every day, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 10:11 AM, #60
          Reply I disagree with that., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:28 AM, #65
          Reply All life is not sacred in Thera., Vortex Magus, 10-Feb-12 11:10 AM, #69
               Reply You both misunderstand me., Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 11:17 AM, #70
     Reply RE: Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way., Malakhi, 10-Feb-12 11:21 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way., Elerosse, 10-Feb-12 05:44 PM, #89
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, Neltouda, 09-Feb-12 09:43 PM, #41
Reply Triple seconded nt, Tsunami, 10-Feb-12 10:09 AM, #58
Reply Awesome Feedback and discussion all. Thank you, and one..., Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 07:20 PM, #34
Reply Sure, Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 07:28 PM, #35
     Reply Eww, Terry Goodkind., Vortex Magus, 09-Feb-12 07:52 PM, #36
          Reply Not Terry Pratchett, Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 08:04 PM, #37
          Reply I actually meant Pratchett, Vortex Magus, 09-Feb-12 08:26 PM, #39
               Reply RE: I actually meant Pratchett, Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 08:32 PM, #40
          Reply Discworld is Pratchett, bobbyp, 09-Feb-12 08:25 PM, #38
               Reply BoltThrower/ShaidarHaran/Rahvin sent me a book..., Twist, 10-Feb-12 12:19 AM, #42
                    Reply Love all of Pratchett's books and have them all in a ne..., Abernyte, 10-Feb-12 07:19 AM, #49
Reply For me it's pretty simple, fist-law, 09-Feb-12 05:54 PM, #32
Reply After arena with some Nexans, The-me, 09-Feb-12 12:44 PM, #25
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, bobbyp, 09-Feb-12 10:55 AM, #21
Reply Some Thoughts..., Tac, 09-Feb-12 09:00 AM, #18
Reply Serial Villager Weighing In., Homard, 09-Feb-12 08:54 AM, #17
Reply Win! , Alston, 09-Feb-12 11:25 AM, #24
Reply RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?, Chulun (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 07:25 AM, #14
Reply I mostly hate the nexus-fort dynamic., Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 05:54 AM, #6
Reply Hey now, you didn't get unindected for spending a whole..., Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 06:20 AM, #7
Reply One of the reasons I really REALLY wanted to kill you t..., Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 06:49 AM, #10
     Reply Nothing against you, but this is another reason I don't..., Alston, 09-Feb-12 11:20 AM, #23
     Reply RE: Nothing against you, but this is another reason I d..., Daevryn, 09-Feb-12 03:05 PM, #29
     Reply Im just going to say your one of those people who can o..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:22 AM, #53
          Reply You see, I feel like I am not seeing in black and white..., Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:16 AM, #63
               Reply Which is fine I personally dont have any concise oponio..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 10:53 AM, #67
     Reply Nexus Dynamic with Fort Consideration., Kalageadon, 09-Feb-12 04:26 PM, #30
Reply Thats called Nexus doing it's job, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 06:43 AM, #9
Reply I don't mind ganking for the most part, Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 07:04 AM, #12
     Reply I can see how that might be annoying, but, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 07:12 AM, #13
Reply I disagree on this., Allysia (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 09:14 AM, #19
Reply I think what you said is all basically true., Vallinane (Anonymous), 09-Feb-12 10:04 AM, #20
     Reply RE: I think what you said is all basically true., lasentia, 09-Feb-12 01:24 PM, #26
Reply RE: I mostly hate the nexus-fort dynamic., Daevryn, 09-Feb-12 03:02 PM, #27
     Reply Nailed it. I think this jibes with most Fort-upswing ex..., blackbird, 09-Feb-12 06:02 PM, #33
          Reply Since I have played I have never seen Fort in a "downsw..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:24 AM, #54
Reply I dislike them because:, Amberion, 09-Feb-12 05:52 AM, #5
Reply Something you might find about Nexus, Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 06:24 AM, #8
     Reply This, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 06:59 AM, #11
Reply I love Nexus, jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 05:44 AM, #4
Reply Because they are evil., Alston, 09-Feb-12 05:13 AM, #3
Reply So since you as a player dislike the Cabal, your rp suf..., Puhguly, 09-Feb-12 06:22 AM, #15
Reply Ok kids - , Rayihn, 09-Feb-12 08:17 AM, #16
Reply I'm not trying to flame or troll here, but my RP does n..., Alston, 09-Feb-12 11:09 AM, #22
     Reply So you're saying that you'll attempt to pk (even multi-..., jalbrin, 09-Feb-12 03:04 PM, #28
          Reply Sure. Tips for RP'ing with Nexun in side., Alston, 10-Feb-12 03:20 AM, #45
               Reply From now on Im making a nexun flyto/offensive murder gn..., Tesline, 10-Feb-12 09:27 AM, #55
                    Reply Don't forget the magic word!, Alston, 10-Feb-12 10:12 AM, #61
Reply Somebody please protect this man from himself and his c..., Lhydia, 09-Feb-12 04:37 PM, #31
Reply We all wanted Masters back instead., TMNS, 09-Feb-12 01:19 AM, #2
Reply Flip flopping mainly, Oldril, 08-Feb-12 10:28 PM, #1
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