Alston | Fri 10-Feb-12 08:34 AM |
Member since 07th Sep 2011
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#43219, "Accidently killing a good person isn't an evil act."
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While tragic, and possibly criminal it lacks intent.
Going out of your way to kill someone with premeditation, for no other reason than personal gain is an evil act.
I go so far as to say a good player who kills an evil mob for its equipment is committing an evil act. It's not the aura of the person killed so much as it is the intent of the killer.
This is why, for me, Nexus fails and it is not a truly neutral cabal.
Neutrality, as it was originally intended by Gary Gygax, and how it came to be adopted in genres which use the LG to CE spectrum, was not meant as a balance between actions. It actually had two facets; An individual or group who did not take sides on issues of politics or morality. Or, a creature or entity that was unthinking and thus incapable of being either good or evil.
Killing one child for the purpose of ranking, or even getting a single copper, in my estimation is purely evil and can't be balanced out by killing an orc. In fact, if you are killing an orc as a way of atonement for killing a kid, then that too is an act rooted in personal gain at the expense of killing another. This would make it shady at best. Granted it is an orc and no one will miss it (Even another orc) but the intent wasn't self-preservation, it was for a different reason all together.
I separate this distinction when it comes to killing non-sentients, undead, or hordes of evil creatures clearly arrayed for war. And I will play it out as if I am on a mission too erradicate a force hell bent of mayhem and destruction. But I refuse to say, “Let's go kill X for his sword!â€, simply because I want to wield his sword. I might RP it in this way! Look out for that X! He has a sharp sword! Die X! Hrm, this sword is sharper than mine. I shall keep it and put it to good use.
The new kinship command further solidifies my stance, since now there is next to NO reason for a goody to kill a neutral for his gear now.
Anyway, that's where I stand on it. Some people have tried to make logical arguments for neutrals and to date, I have not been swayed.
Nexus is simply Chaotic Evil cabal in my eyes.
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Why do people dislike Nexus?
[View all] , Puhguly, Thu 09-Feb-12 08:16 AM
RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?,
Elerosse,
10-Feb-12 01:59 AM, #43
Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way.,
DurNominator,
10-Feb-12 03:11 AM, #44
Totally disagee and can't fall in line with this logic.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 03:33 AM, #46
And I totally disagree with your logic.,
DurNominator,
10-Feb-12 05:08 AM, #47
Actually, it seems to me that I am the one who understa...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 05:23 AM, #48
My take on your posts here.,
Kalageadon,
10-Feb-12 08:01 AM, #50
Accidently killing a good person isn't an evil act.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 08:34 AM #51
On the fact that your saying it is chaotic shows your l...,
Tesline,
10-Feb-12 09:17 AM, #52
You wasted a lot of text on me. I read it, I think you ...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 09:37 AM, #56
Again:,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 11:23 AM, #73
I do not agree with how you think alignment works and.....,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:42 PM, #76
You fail to remember one thing:,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 12:44 PM, #79
Funny you should say that because,,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:53 PM, #84
Fine by me,,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 12:56 PM, #86
What you're missing,
Valkenar,
10-Feb-12 09:43 AM, #57
I agree with what you are saying, but I'm not missing t...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 10:10 AM, #59
Neutral is the hardest to Roleplay in a hardcore manner...,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 11:28 AM, #74
Why not accept CF?,
Valkenar,
10-Feb-12 12:42 PM, #77
I don't think most people play neutral properly in gene...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:46 PM, #80
Nexus vs Neutral,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 11:21 AM, #71
More like Lawful Good,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 10:14 AM, #62
The concept of Balance exists for them.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 10:18 AM, #64
RE: The concept of Balance exists for them.,
Daevryn,
10-Feb-12 10:40 AM, #66
Which is another sticking point with me.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:39 PM, #75
RE: Which is another sticking point with me.,
Daevryn,
10-Feb-12 01:18 PM, #87
This. NT ~,
Batman (Anonymous),
10-Feb-12 03:00 PM, #88
Plus,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 11:07 AM, #68
The concept may exist, but it doesn't exist for everybo...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:43 PM, #78
It can't exist AND not-exist.,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 12:45 PM, #81
I gave in on Dry quicksand, but I will drown in it befo...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:47 PM, #82
Prepare to drown sir. nt,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 12:48 PM, #83
It'll have to be tomorrow. I got a 5k run at 4am.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 12:55 PM, #85
Fort does Evil every day,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 10:11 AM, #60
I disagree with that.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 10:28 AM, #65
All life is not sacred in Thera.,
Vortex Magus,
10-Feb-12 11:10 AM, #69
You both misunderstand me.,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 11:17 AM, #70
RE: Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way.,
Malakhi,
10-Feb-12 11:21 AM, #72
RE: Fort gives all neutrals free pass that way.,
Elerosse,
10-Feb-12 05:44 PM, #89
RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?,
Neltouda,
09-Feb-12 09:43 PM, #41
Triple seconded nt,
Tsunami,
10-Feb-12 10:09 AM, #58
Awesome Feedback and discussion all. Thank you, and one...,
Puhguly,
09-Feb-12 07:20 PM, #34
Sure,
Rayihn,
09-Feb-12 07:28 PM, #35
Eww, Terry Goodkind.,
Vortex Magus,
09-Feb-12 07:52 PM, #36
Not Terry Pratchett,
Rayihn,
09-Feb-12 08:04 PM, #37
I actually meant Pratchett,
Vortex Magus,
09-Feb-12 08:26 PM, #39
RE: I actually meant Pratchett,
Rayihn,
09-Feb-12 08:32 PM, #40
Discworld is Pratchett,
bobbyp,
09-Feb-12 08:25 PM, #38
BoltThrower/ShaidarHaran/Rahvin sent me a book...,
Twist,
10-Feb-12 12:19 AM, #42
Love all of Pratchett's books and have them all in a ne...,
Abernyte,
10-Feb-12 07:19 AM, #49
For me it's pretty simple,
fist-law,
09-Feb-12 05:54 PM, #32
After arena with some Nexans,
The-me,
09-Feb-12 12:44 PM, #25
RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?,
bobbyp,
09-Feb-12 10:55 AM, #21
Some Thoughts...,
Tac,
09-Feb-12 09:00 AM, #18
Serial Villager Weighing In.,
Homard,
09-Feb-12 08:54 AM, #17
Win! ,
Alston,
09-Feb-12 11:25 AM, #24
RE: Why do people dislike Nexus?,
Chulun (Anonymous),
09-Feb-12 07:25 AM, #14
I mostly hate the nexus-fort dynamic.,
Vallinane (Anonymous),
09-Feb-12 05:54 AM, #6
Hey now, you didn't get unindected for spending a whole...,
Puhguly,
09-Feb-12 06:20 AM, #7
One of the reasons I really REALLY wanted to kill you t...,
Vallinane (Anonymous),
09-Feb-12 06:49 AM, #10
Nothing against you, but this is another reason I don't...,
Alston,
09-Feb-12 11:20 AM, #23
RE: Nothing against you, but this is another reason I d...,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-12 03:05 PM, #29
Im just going to say your one of those people who can o...,
Tesline,
10-Feb-12 09:22 AM, #53
You see, I feel like I am not seeing in black and white...,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 10:16 AM, #63
Which is fine I personally dont have any concise oponio...,
Tesline,
10-Feb-12 10:53 AM, #67
Nexus Dynamic with Fort Consideration.,
Kalageadon,
09-Feb-12 04:26 PM, #30
Thats called Nexus doing it's job,
jalbrin,
09-Feb-12 06:43 AM, #9
I don't mind ganking for the most part,
Vallinane (Anonymous),
09-Feb-12 07:04 AM, #12
I can see how that might be annoying, but,
jalbrin,
09-Feb-12 07:12 AM, #13
I disagree on this.,
Allysia (Anonymous),
09-Feb-12 09:14 AM, #19
I think what you said is all basically true.,
Vallinane (Anonymous),
09-Feb-12 10:04 AM, #20
RE: I think what you said is all basically true.,
lasentia,
09-Feb-12 01:24 PM, #26
RE: I mostly hate the nexus-fort dynamic.,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-12 03:02 PM, #27
Nailed it. I think this jibes with most Fort-upswing ex...,
blackbird,
09-Feb-12 06:02 PM, #33
Since I have played I have never seen Fort in a "downsw...,
Tesline,
10-Feb-12 09:24 AM, #54
I dislike them because:,
Amberion,
09-Feb-12 05:52 AM, #5
Something you might find about Nexus,
Puhguly,
09-Feb-12 06:24 AM, #8
This,
jalbrin,
09-Feb-12 06:59 AM, #11
I love Nexus,
jalbrin,
09-Feb-12 05:44 AM, #4
Because they are evil.,
Alston,
09-Feb-12 05:13 AM, #3
So since you as a player dislike the Cabal, your rp suf...,
Puhguly,
09-Feb-12 06:22 AM, #15
Ok kids - ,
Rayihn,
09-Feb-12 08:17 AM, #16
I'm not trying to flame or troll here, but my RP does n...,
Alston,
09-Feb-12 11:09 AM, #22
So you're saying that you'll attempt to pk (even multi-...,
jalbrin,
09-Feb-12 03:04 PM, #28
Sure. Tips for RP'ing with Nexun in side.,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 03:20 AM, #45
From now on Im making a nexun flyto/offensive murder gn...,
Tesline,
10-Feb-12 09:27 AM, #55
Don't forget the magic word!,
Alston,
10-Feb-12 10:12 AM, #61
Somebody please protect this man from himself and his c...,
Lhydia,
09-Feb-12 04:37 PM, #31
We all wanted Masters back instead.,
TMNS,
09-Feb-12 01:19 AM, #2
Flip flopping mainly,
Oldril,
08-Feb-12 10:28 PM, #1
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