Hmmm..


I understand that you are perfectly correct for most cabals and being an Imm means you are correct no matter what but imho the way Tribunal is set up is a job.

Perhaps that isn't the intention but in effect as a player I feel it is reasonable with the way it is set up to RP membership as being a job. You don't take an oath, you are in effect a cityguard (just higher rank), you get paid while on duty, and you can go off duty anytime. You are pretty free while off duty to do anything you want as long as you don't tarnish the image of the spire with your actions (like a teacher not dating students). In nearly ever way, being part of Tribunal is treated like a job and there is no in game reference to it being anything more than that outside of the dedication (RP) of its members...a person can be lawful and corrupt and not care really about 'justice' persay but simply (as Finley did) desire law simply so he could hide behind it while pursuing other things (loansharking, prostitution, etc.).

As for the guild rank thing, I left the Spire according to the PBF at 400 plus hours. I age died at 600 or so. So I was give or take Dread Lord for less than 200 hours. I became Dread Lord at level 41 and died at level 50. So being real...I wasn't dread lord for very long at low rank at all. I was low rank a long time period but not as Dread Lord.

That said, why not simply make Dread lord a level 45 requirement?

I'm still looking for an actual in-game requirement to rank in your guild that is based in how things are set-up and not something imposed by the will of the masses. That will being the will of the player-base (ooc) and not (ic) because (ic) there isn't a (level 41) floating by your characters head.

I couldn't have been dread lord at that rank unlesss it was 'permitted' is the gist here.

And prodding isn't why I leveled. I got my control. Dunno if the data will show it, but I started ranking again as soon as i got my fire control. It was that simple. I'll reiterate that there is zero reason for an AP to go past 41 outside of inner motivation as a player or outer motivation from the sheer will of the playerbase and staff from a mechanical view if you don't have a control yet. I wasn't moved by either. I've played many many many characters over the years and this is the first one I ever levelsat with because mechanically it simply doesn't make sense to go forward without a control.

Every other class gets more skills to use the higher they go except for APs unless they meet the PK requirement. So I absolutely agree with you actually that the best course should have been to demote me on the basis of not being scary enough because obviously I wasn't killing enough people to have a control.

Perhaps if you have an AP as Dread Lord then having a control should be a requirement, but that would be decided by the Emporer and it was the emporer who wanted me to be Dread Lord knowing ahead of time i didn't have controls and was well known already for not wishing to advance until i did. However I would have been fine with being demoted as a player for not getting a control yet(ic it woulda sucked) but as a player the way it was handled felt ooc to me point blank. It felt as if I (not me) was personally offended (as a player/imm) that this bastard wouldn't rank to 51 so my rank 51 character could have at them.

I still believe that and I'm just pointing out that there isn't anything in-game that spells out a requirement to rank as Dread Lord specifically seeing as you can become Dread Lord at 41 and also there have been many many many characters over the years in every cabal that have lived and died prior to hero in leader positions.

If being a hero was a requirement to being a leader, then make it a requirement in-game so there is no question/intepretation involved about whether the pressure being applied is ic or ooc. That or perhaps reduce the amount of PKs needed for APs to get their controls. That would be nice too