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laxmanWed 25-Jan-17 07:49 PM
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#66698, "Suggestion: trigger happy flaw"


          

Something to lay on trigger abusers that strips their ability to see people enter a room and the direction of a flee. It could also add a pulse of lag when they try to use abilities on people not present.

This would make running hunting/sleep triggers almost useless. Conversely maybe make it an affect that wears off eventually as a warning system instead of s permanent gimp.

  

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Reply RE: Suggestion: trigger happy flaw, sezdral, 26-Jan-17 11:09 AM, #7
Reply Except - abusing triggers with emotes will get you rotd..., Sarien, 26-Jan-17 05:47 PM, #8
Reply I don't think so, Kstatida, 27-Jan-17 07:51 AM, #10
     Reply RE: I don't think so, Umiron, 27-Jan-17 08:22 AM, #11
          Reply Right. This has been the stance for a while., Sarien, 27-Jan-17 09:00 AM, #12
          Reply I did a version of that..., Lhydia, 27-Jan-17 05:27 PM, #15
          Reply RE: Emotes, Tac, 27-Jan-17 09:19 AM, #13
          Reply Oh, Kstatida, 27-Jan-17 12:15 PM, #14
Reply RE: Suggestion: trigger happy flaw, incognito, 27-Jan-17 02:56 AM, #9
Reply I'm positive, Kstatida, 26-Jan-17 04:50 AM, #4
Reply So you stopped? n/t, Lhydia, 26-Jan-17 07:07 AM, #5
     Reply Trigger train has no brakes, Kstatida, 26-Jan-17 07:24 AM, #6
Reply It doesn't mean what you think it means, Murphy, 25-Jan-17 11:47 PM, #1
     Reply Rrally this is less about realism than it is about null..., laxman, 26-Jan-17 12:17 AM, #2
          Reply Then think of a better name for it, Murphy, 26-Jan-17 12:36 AM, #3

sezdralThu 26-Jan-17 11:09 AM
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#66705, "RE: Suggestion: trigger happy flaw"
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To be honest triggers are not as rampant as you think. I've been accused of using triggers a lot but I've never used any before because it really isn't worth the risk. Careful planning, use of skills, herding people into certain positions and not spamming commands really goes a lot into PK and making it look like you have are a trigger user with godlike reactions.

E.g. some thieves look like they're trigger users when they actually have a certain skill that allows them to doubleback exceptionally fast, and not everyone knows that and assumes it's a trigger, some vets included.

E.g. if you are in a one exit room, dont be surprised that your aggressor can reach you before you run away right after a flee, esp if he hasn't been lagging himself, because there is only one way you'll run, so he's ready to go <direction>;bash $targ

Obvious triggers are really easy to deal with like someone else said, it's the ROTD. You can even deal with it yourself IC as disarm triggers and chase triggers are easily exploited to the disadvantage of the user. I'll leave it to you to figure it out.

  

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SarienThu 26-Jan-17 05:47 PM
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#66710, "Except - abusing triggers with emotes will get you rotd..."
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Otherwise id abuse shapaabots chase triggers

  

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KstatidaFri 27-Jan-17 07:51 AM
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#66713, "I don't think so"
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Abusing other people triggers should be fine. Umiron hinted at such while he still was IMM.

  

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UmironFri 27-Jan-17 08:22 AM
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#66714, "RE: I don't think so"
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I don't remember saying what I think you're insinuating, but my not-an-imm-anymore answer is:

If you realize someone has a trigger and changing your behavior accordingly is to your advantage, great.

But! You'll probably end up getting realmed if you do things like try to fire their trigger with emotes. So don't do that.

  

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SarienFri 27-Jan-17 09:00 AM
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#66715, "Right. This has been the stance for a while."
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Otherwise I'd roll up a space drow warrior and spam

emote has fled!

in rapid succession, just to watch his trigger scan all and eat nasty nasty perma lag/damage

  

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LhydiaFri 27-Jan-17 05:27 PM
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#66719, "I did a version of that..."
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Except I added 'disarms you' in my warcry and I would say it randomly during fights via RP..

Is it my charm and charisma that disarms you ?

Is it my stunning panache that disarms you ?

No! It is my superior speed that disarms you !

It is my great strength that disarms you !

I only used it a couple of times but it was pretty hilarious when I got free flurries because assholes cheat.

  

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TacFri 27-Jan-17 09:19 AM
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#66716, "RE: Emotes"
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There isn't really another way to exploit triggers that do things like follow a target that moves (fleeing or otherwise) and re-engaging whether it is via dash or otherwise. It isn't like there is a fake flee command... Chase triggers are so effective (under the right conditions) specifically because they are harder to exploit "legitimately" compared to, say, a disarm trigger. If you have more than 1 person, they can probably be exploited, but then you are ganging anyway and they probably aren't engaged...

  

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KstatidaFri 27-Jan-17 12:15 PM
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#66718, "Oh"
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And there i wanted to command inject some ppl

  

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incognitoFri 27-Jan-17 02:56 AM
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#66712, "RE: Suggestion: trigger happy flaw"
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Nah, the shaapamatic setup is fairly clever in terms of not exposing itself to countermeasures.

And a disarm trigger is not that easily exploited in many one v one matchups.

Triggers are common. I've seen a guy held by a fillet who kept triggering as I walked in and out of the room repeatedly. (I still died to him!)

  

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KstatidaThu 26-Jan-17 04:50 AM
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#66702, "I'm positive"
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that transfer to RotD and slay is enough of a flaw for trigger-happy people.

Thank you.

  

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LhydiaThu 26-Jan-17 07:07 AM
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#66703, "So you stopped? n/t"
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gr

  

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KstatidaThu 26-Jan-17 07:24 AM
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#66704, "Trigger train has no brakes"
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Sorry.

  

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MurphyWed 25-Jan-17 11:45 PM
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#66699, "It doesn't mean what you think it means"
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Edited on Wed 25-Jan-17 11:47 PM

          

"Trigger happy" flaw should make you randomly attack people when they make a sudden movement -- as if they had cast an aggro spell on you. (Obviously they would yell so you would count as the aggressor.)

E.g. if they wield something, or utter a spell that you don't know, or get something from a container, or use one of those "close" or "aggressive" socials, you have a chance of attacking them automatically.

  

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laxmanThu 26-Jan-17 12:17 AM
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#66700, "Rrally this is less about realism than it is about null..."
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I would also like to see another variant aimed at disarm triggers but that situation seems more acceptable to the imms even though it devalues several skills and a legacy.

  

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MurphyThu 26-Jan-17 12:35 AM
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#66701, "Then think of a better name for it"
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Edited on Thu 26-Jan-17 12:36 AM

          

Vague naming of requirements is why programmers and users never find an understanding.

FWIW there is enough mechanisms in the game to make using triggers not worth the effort; using them introduces just as much risk as it does benefit and you can often use a person's triggers against them.

EDIT: You are also misusing the word "realism". Realism is something else and irrelevant to either interpretation of your suggestion.

  

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