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OdrirgTue 21-Jan-14 07:58 PM
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#53742, "certain spell effects that show as "skill""


          

this has probably been covered. But there is a ring you can get, it gives you detect evil, and can prog in combat to give you a short duration protection from evil.

but neither of them are spells, or communes...they show as skills.

is this ring ok for ragers/rage apps?

  

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Reply I ask specifically, because...., Odrirg, 21-Jan-14 10:13 PM, #5
Reply Many players like to abuse what they can because they s..., Artificial, 21-Jan-14 10:47 PM, #6
Reply Or because its not abuse. , Lhydia, 22-Jan-14 07:14 AM, #11
Reply Last dude who did that got titled "Flower Powered" and ..., Eskelian, 21-Jan-14 11:26 PM, #7
Reply No. More details added., Eskelian, 21-Jan-14 09:08 PM, #2
Reply Seaweed gives you water breathing. Are you breaking par..., Lhydia, 21-Jan-14 09:30 PM, #3
     Reply Purity not parity..., Eskelian, 21-Jan-14 10:10 PM, #4
          Reply In 12 years many new items have appeared, Murphy, 21-Jan-14 11:34 PM, #8
               Reply Lawyering doesn't get you very far in the village., Eskelian, 22-Jan-14 12:10 AM, #9
               Reply Gnome villagers are using gossamer wings., Murphy, 22-Jan-14 05:15 AM, #10
                    Reply That's not magic, laxman, 22-Jan-14 09:45 AM, #12
               Reply 'help potion' enclosed, Valguarnera, 22-Jan-14 11:59 AM, #13
                    Reply Welcome back. NT, TMNS, 22-Jan-14 02:05 PM, #14
                         Reply Don't get used to it!, Valguarnera, 22-Jan-14 02:51 PM, #15
                              Reply Seconded., Kalageadon, 22-Jan-14 04:35 PM, #16
Reply If you need to ask, no. nt, Artificial, 21-Jan-14 08:19 PM, #1

OdrirgTue 21-Jan-14 10:13 PM
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#53747, "I ask specifically, because...."
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I've seen rager apps use flowers that give detect invis as skills.

And it seemed to fly for them.

So why is that ok and the ring is not?

  

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ArtificialTue 21-Jan-14 10:47 PM
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#53748, "Many players like to abuse what they can because they s..."
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nt

  

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LhydiaWed 22-Jan-14 07:14 AM
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#53754, "Or because its not abuse. "
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When a clear rule is cut out that says 'using this is not allowed' and it is no longer open for interpretation, and people still do it, then its abuse. Until then, healing ring/sleeves, protection ring, waterbreathing prep, wings that give you flight, salves that cure plague, powder that prevents sleep, its all legit.

  

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EskelianTue 21-Jan-14 11:26 PM
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#53749, "Last dude who did that got titled "Flower Powered" and ..."
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n/t

  

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EskelianTue 21-Jan-14 09:07 PM
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#53744, "No. More details added."
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Edited on Tue 21-Jan-14 09:08 PM

          

To me the three tenets of being rager-licious is courage, strength and purity. Wearing progging gear that gives you spell like affects ruins the whole purity thing. You can't talk to people about how their quaffing potions is tainting them and weakening them while having a ring that progs protection vs evil.

So to me, it's a big no.

  

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LhydiaTue 21-Jan-14 09:30 PM
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#53745, "Seaweed gives you water breathing. Are you breaking par..."
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They tweaked the items that are spells, the ones that are skills are skills for a reason and not spells.

If seaweed lets you breathe water and the justification is suspension of disbelief and that 'In Thera, its just something that happens when you eat seaweed', then that ring that makes me 'feel better' isn't doing so through magic, its just a ring that makes me feel better. Same with protection and detect evil.

IMMs know what is and isn't magical and make judgement calls when they write areas, if its a skill it flies and your OOC judgements don't hold water IC based on previous arguments on 'skill vs. spell' affects.

  

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EskelianTue 21-Jan-14 10:10 PM
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#53746, "Purity not parity..."
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And seaweed has been declared the single exception to this rule like 12 years ago.

  

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MurphyTue 21-Jan-14 11:34 PM
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#53750, "In 12 years many new items have appeared"
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that by definition could not be covered by this declaration because they weren't there at the time said declaration was made.

  

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EskelianWed 22-Jan-14 12:10 AM
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#53751, "Lawyering doesn't get you very far in the village."
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You're going to have to come up with a good answer as to why eating a flower that grants you detect invis as a skill isn't the same thing as using magic if you get asked.

  

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MurphyWed 22-Jan-14 05:15 AM
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#53753, "Gnome villagers are using gossamer wings."
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nt

  

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laxmanWed 22-Jan-14 09:45 AM
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#53755, "That's not magic"
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That's flapping a pair of wings.

Yeah it is a stretch of physics but then again so is sticking 5 rafts into a sack.

  

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ValguarneraWed 22-Jan-14 11:59 AM
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#53757, "'help potion' enclosed"
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POTION PILL ROOT SEAWEED

Potions are magical or blessed liquids. To use one, use the QUAFF command. Potions are only good for one use, and under most circumstances cannot be quaffed in combat. When consumed they provide one or more spells or communes to the user. Potions in your inventory can be used while you are blind. After a period of time, potions will evaporate.

Pills are magical or blessed items which can be used with the EAT command, like a food item, root, or herb. They provide one or more spells or communes when consumed.

Seaweed, while technically a 'pill' in some forms, grants the ability to breathe water and is not considered to be magical in nature. Therans do not find this property any more unusual than a toxic mushroom poisoning its consumer.


Declared exception, present in IC and helpfile lore. I remember writing this a very long time ago.

As for random items that should be reporting as spells or communes, but show up as skills, that's an easy oversight to make while coding. Report them as bugs if there's no nonmagical explanation (even a thin one, like gossamer wings).

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

  

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TMNSWed 22-Jan-14 02:05 PM
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#53758, "Welcome back. NT"
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NT

  

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ValguarneraWed 22-Jan-14 02:51 PM
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#53759, "Don't get used to it!"
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My availability is a fickle thing. But I pitch in when I have free time.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

  

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KalageadonWed 22-Jan-14 04:35 PM
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#53760, "Seconded."
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Glad to see you're around. Hope life is treating you well.

  

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ArtificialTue 21-Jan-14 08:19 PM
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#53743, "If you need to ask, no. nt"
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nt

  

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