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ProWed 13-Oct-10 05:19 PM
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#35869, "Anyone else feel like they are degrading themselves by playing certain things?"


          

I don't like to play Conjies/Shifters/Assassins or arial anything because I feel like they are just too easy to play.

I'm not saying I would do great with them, but I generally think of them as classes that require little effort to play or in the case of arials, something that is sort of too good.

  

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Reply Nope, DurNominator, 14-Oct-10 09:17 AM, #20
Reply I'm curious Pro (not trying to flame or anything.), Amberion, 14-Oct-10 04:38 AM, #16
Reply I've had more than I can remember., Pro, 14-Oct-10 10:40 AM, #21
     Reply So the answer was no. n/t, Lhydia, 14-Oct-10 10:54 AM, #24
     Reply I challenge you. Play a char over 200 hours. nt, DurNominator, 15-Oct-10 04:48 PM, #28
Reply I think there's a miscommunication here, elmeri_, 13-Oct-10 07:59 PM, #13
Reply Have you had one successful character? n/t, Lhydia, 13-Oct-10 07:45 PM, #12
Reply No, Meizi_M, 13-Oct-10 06:28 PM, #9
Reply Out of Curiosity., Pro, 13-Oct-10 07:43 PM, #11
     Reply A player out there whom you trolled to create an accoun..., DurNominator, 14-Oct-10 12:59 AM, #14
     Reply I'm not sure if you realize what a DB you are., Pro, 14-Oct-10 01:48 AM, #15
          Reply I am absolutely certain..., vargal, 14-Oct-10 06:31 AM, #19
          Reply Here's the deal man. I post. They flame., Pro, 14-Oct-10 10:24 AM, #22
               Reply Its because you're trolling the boards on purpose and f..., Lhydia, 15-Oct-10 04:38 PM, #26
          Reply OH NO! PRO IS CUTTING DUR OFF!!!! THE HUMANITY., TMNS, 15-Oct-10 03:58 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Out of Curiosity., Meizi_M, 14-Oct-10 05:11 AM, #17
          Reply Well, yeah. Duhhhhhh.~, blackbird, 14-Oct-10 06:00 AM, #18
          Reply Except, that wasn't an ad hominem. Not even close. n/t, Pro, 14-Oct-10 10:25 AM, #23
               Reply Yes, it was. Pretty close at least., DurNominator, 15-Oct-10 04:46 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: Yes, it was. Pretty close at least., Meizi_M, 16-Oct-10 11:59 AM, #29
                         Reply There is definitely "relative ease" when comparing 2 ch..., Artificial, 16-Oct-10 12:31 PM, #30
Reply RE: Anyone else feel like they are degrading themselves..., Drag0nSt0rm, 13-Oct-10 05:45 PM, #5
Reply I was thinking there were more top ranked Arials warrio..., Pro, 13-Oct-10 05:47 PM, #6
     Reply RE: I was thinking there were more top ranked Arials wa..., MRSK, 13-Oct-10 06:22 PM, #8
          Reply Great! I can play a bird without feeling guilty! n/t, Pro, 13-Oct-10 07:42 PM, #10
Reply Or you could #### off., Pro, 13-Oct-10 05:37 PM, #3
Reply RE: Or you could #### off., Isildur, 13-Oct-10 05:40 PM, #4
     Reply I have. , Pro, 13-Oct-10 05:48 PM, #7
Reply No, here is why:, Tsunami, 13-Oct-10 05:25 PM, #2
Reply RE: Anyone else feel like they are degrading themselves..., Isildur, 13-Oct-10 05:24 PM, #1

DurNominatorThu 14-Oct-10 09:17 AM
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#35901, "Nope"
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If you aren't continuously playing same character type over and over again and winning with the same tricks every time, you should't have a reason to feel that you're degrading yourself by playing some combo. If the combo is possible, Imms have worked to make it balanced, at least to some extent.

  

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AmberionThu 14-Oct-10 04:38 AM
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#35896, "I'm curious Pro (not trying to flame or anything.)"
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Have you had any chars that have been successful PK-wise? I can't seem to remember any at all. (Any of your chars at all that is.)

And looking at the stats, they don't back your claim up. But to some extent I agree, arial warriors for me feels super easy to play at hero range. Conjurer, never had one so no idea, shifters, had 2 complete failures, not my cup of tea, assassin, had one that was AWESOME at midlevels, not so much at hero...

Always shoot first and then call whatever you hit the target.

  

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ProThu 14-Oct-10 10:23 AM
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#35902, "I've had more than I can remember."
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Edited on Thu 14-Oct-10 10:40 AM

          

But I tend to delete after losing so I don't wrack up huge counts with any one character.

  

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LhydiaThu 14-Oct-10 10:54 AM
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#35906, "So the answer was no. n/t"
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gr

  

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DurNominatorFri 15-Oct-10 04:48 PM
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#35936, "I challenge you. Play a char over 200 hours. nt"
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nt

  

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elmeri_Wed 13-Oct-10 07:59 PM
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#35891, "I think there's a miscommunication here"
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I think what you actually mean is that your examples aren't so much better, just more convenient than others. It doesn't mean that their power peak high, just that if you have a eagle/lion it's kind of hard to do really bad. When as with an AP you can be scary as hell or a complete pushover just as easily.

All the combos you suggested, conjie (I assume you mean goodie), shifter, arial warrior and assassin usually do ok, especially at some lvl range or aspect of the end game, but really lack the raw punch of real power combos (like giant sword).

  

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LhydiaWed 13-Oct-10 07:45 PM
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#35890, "Have you had one successful character? n/t"
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gr

  

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Meizi_MWed 13-Oct-10 06:28 PM
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#35887, "No"
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Something being too easy to play is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

  

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ProWed 13-Oct-10 07:43 PM
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#35889, "Out of Curiosity."
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Who the #### are you?

  

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DurNominatorThu 14-Oct-10 12:59 AM
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#35892, "A player out there whom you trolled to create an accoun..."
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That's my guess anyway. I can't think why anyone would bother to make a second account just to respond to you. Let's welcome the M fellow to the forum and not be ####s, shall we?

  

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ProThu 14-Oct-10 01:48 AM
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#35893, "I'm not sure if you realize what a DB you are."
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And by DB I mean insignificant.

You're cut off.

  

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vargalThu 14-Oct-10 06:31 AM
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#35900, "I am absolutely certain..."
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That you don't realize how big of an ignorant and annoying DB you are. I really wish those were grounds for a ban on these forums, because I'm really tired of seeing insipid posts with your handle next to them.

  

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ProThu 14-Oct-10 10:24 AM
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#35903, "Here's the deal man. I post. They flame."
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It's not my fault that you're too lazy to track a thread back to the source.

  

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LhydiaFri 15-Oct-10 04:38 PM
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#35934, "Its because you're trolling the boards on purpose and f..."
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gr

  

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TMNSFri 15-Oct-10 03:58 PM
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#35932, "OH NO! PRO IS CUTTING DUR OFF!!!! THE HUMANITY."
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Sometimes I just wish you'd decide Afghanistan needs a bounty hunter.

  

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Meizi_MThu 14-Oct-10 05:11 AM
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#35898, "RE: Out of Curiosity."
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Ah yes. The good old ad hominem.

  

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blackbirdThu 14-Oct-10 06:00 AM
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#35899, "Well, yeah. Duhhhhhh.~"
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ProThu 14-Oct-10 10:25 AM
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#35904, "Except, that wasn't an ad hominem. Not even close. n/t"
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vasdv

  

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DurNominatorFri 15-Oct-10 04:46 PM
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#35935, "Yes, it was. Pretty close at least."
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Explanation for those who still read my posts:

M makes an account to post that he finds Pro's notion of CF having an overpowered combo ridiculous. Pro responds with a "who the #### are you?". I think that's an ad hominem argument since it is targeted to the person, not the opinion. Proper way to counter the post would be to respond to M's point, which is easy, since M brings nothing to the table, just his opinion. Simple "how come" would have sufficed to lead the conversation back to the topic.

Anyway, M, if you're reading this, I'd like to hear your answers to the following questions:

1) How come?

2) Are you someone new to the forum or someone who has been here before with another account? (I kinda wonder who guessed right)

  

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Meizi_MSat 16-Oct-10 11:59 AM
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#35944, "RE: Yes, it was. Pretty close at least."
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1) In competitive multiplayer pvp environment nothing is mechanically 'easy'. Winning is easy only if you are much better than everybody else, which has nothing to do with game mechanics.

2) No, yes.

Trolling Pro anonymously is lots of fun but I made this account before I read the post because I forgot my password and the respective email account has expired long time ago.

And you guys are ####s.

  

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ArtificialSat 16-Oct-10 12:30 PM
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#35945, "There is definitely "relative ease" when comparing 2 ch..."
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Edited on Sat 16-Oct-10 12:31 PM

  

          

IE necromancer vs rager pincersvirf

if necro wants to kill skilled guy, he has to formulate plans ahead of time, know locked rooms etc before he has a chance to land that sweet kill

pincersvirf has to formula his plan of pincer or pincer or pincer and hope deathblow goes off.

  

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Drag0nSt0rmWed 13-Oct-10 05:45 PM
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#35883, "RE: Anyone else feel like they are degrading themselves..."
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The number of successful arial chars would be far higher if that were true. Same goes for Conjurers and assassins.
But really, they are pretty average.

  

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ProWed 13-Oct-10 05:47 PM
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#35884, "I was thinking there were more top ranked Arials warrio..."
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dhsrh

  

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MRSKWed 13-Oct-10 06:22 PM
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#35886, "RE: I was thinking there were more top ranked Arials wa..."
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There are two arial warriors in top 10 based by PKW. And 5 giant swords. Only 3 arials in top 35. That your point doesn't stand.

  

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ProWed 13-Oct-10 07:42 PM
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#35888, "Great! I can play a bird without feeling guilty! n/t"
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fg

  

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ProWed 13-Oct-10 05:36 PM
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#35880, "Or you could #### off."
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Edited on Wed 13-Oct-10 05:37 PM

          

Because I just asked if anyone shares that sentiment. Not if anyone wants to ignore what I posted in the body of the message and fire back at me.

Meant for Isildur.

  

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IsildurWed 13-Oct-10 05:40 PM
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#35881, "RE: Or you could #### off."
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Okay. No, I don't feel that way. Because I don't think these classes are unstoppable power combos. I encourage you to explore whether your perception matches reality by actually playing some of them.

  

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ProWed 13-Oct-10 05:48 PM
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#35885, "I have. "
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Bit cranky sorry.

  

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TsunamiWed 13-Oct-10 05:25 PM
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#35877, "No, here is why:"
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I still suck as those things too .

I haven't really tried "power combos" like giant sword or whatever, but I'm pretty certain I can make them look really terrible.

  

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IsildurWed 13-Oct-10 05:24 PM
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#35875, "RE: Anyone else feel like they are degrading themselves..."
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For kicks, since they're just too easy to play, play one and show us how badass you can be.

  

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