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Susubienko | Fri 31-Jul-09 09:45 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
113 posts
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#26042, "Bard Sleep"
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Somewhere else, on Internet 5 I think, there is a series of messages about the power of bard sleep having been significantly toned down.
Is there any truth to these rumors or is this another one of Al Gore's baby's stories?
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Bard Sleep,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-09 09:55 PM, #1
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Here what happend recently:,
Dorz,
01-Aug-09 11:55 PM, #2
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Here what happend recently:,
Daevryn,
01-Aug-09 11:57 PM, #3
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Follow up (LOG),
Dorz,
06-Aug-09 12:13 PM, #14
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I'll go ahead and echo this...,
Guilo,
06-Aug-09 12:59 PM, #15
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You know, why my current char I've been slept by bards ...,
Amberion,
06-Aug-09 02:27 PM, #16
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm not sure why, but this post cracked me up. nt,
Java,
01-Aug-09 11:59 PM, #4
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I know! I laughed as well! I think...,
Amberion,
02-Aug-09 03:39 AM, #5
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Nep once told me cranial worked a certain way...,
TMNS,
03-Aug-09 10:45 PM, #6
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I know.,
Stunna,
04-Aug-09 04:27 PM, #7
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I know.,
Daevryn,
04-Aug-09 04:41 PM, #8
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Way to elaborate -nt-,
Mekantos,
04-Aug-09 04:50 PM, #9
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Way to elaborate -nt-,
Daevryn,
04-Aug-09 04:58 PM, #10
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) It was more along the lines of...,
TMNS,
04-Aug-09 06:08 PM, #12
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That would be awful. And long. Very, very long.,
Dallevian,
04-Aug-09 08:51 PM, #13
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Disarm legacy anyone? ~,
Ahtieli,
04-Aug-09 05:03 PM, #11
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Daevryn | Fri 31-Jul-09 09:55 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#26043, "RE: Bard Sleep"
In response to Reply #0
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It lost a tick or two (at hero) a while back. I don't think it was all that recently.
Probably what's being seen more is that its duration can vary a *lot* based on a bunch of different factors, including:
- Everything that can affect sing in general, which isn't a short list - The instrument - The repertoire (I don't think what's good for sleep is what people think is good for sleep, but I may be wrong) - State of the victim - Repeated sleep attempts (like sleep spell) in a short period get weaker/shorter
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Dorz | Sat 01-Aug-09 11:55 PM |
Member since 18th Mar 2009
16 posts
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#26084, "Here what happend recently:"
In response to Reply #1
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>It lost a tick or two (at hero) a while back.
Bard sleep went from 10+ hours to 4 hours duration.
>I don't think it was all that recently.
I've first noticed it on July 28, 2009.
>Probably what's being seen more is that its duration can vary >a *lot* based on a bunch of different factors, including: > >- Everything that can affect sing in general, which isn't a >short list >- The instrument >- The repertoire (I don't think what's good for sleep is what >people think is good for sleep, but I may be wrong) >- State of the victim >- Repeated sleep attempts (like sleep spell) in a short period >get weaker/shorter
First sleep attempt/perfect health victim/best insturment/etc. None of which did change.
It is your intention to weaken bards significantly just say so. If it not - please fix it back.
Thank you.
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Daevryn | Sat 01-Aug-09 11:57 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#26085, "RE: Here what happend recently:"
In response to Reply #2
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Bard sleep could always be that short.
It won't always be, but it certainly can be.
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Dorz | Thu 06-Aug-09 12:13 PM |
Member since 18th Mar 2009
16 posts
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#26192, "Follow up (LOG)"
In response to Reply #3
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<2 PM> sing lul You sing 'There once was a thief who did creep Through the streets without making a peep In the shadows she'd hide 'til her target was spied, Then she'd whack the poor sod straight to sleep!'
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The evil Laxian collapses into a deep sleep. The tiny forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep. The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
//....
The evil Laxian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The small forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up. The tiny forest guardian wakes and stands up. The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
Autosaving. You feel less pugilistic. <7 PM>
<7 PM> look Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending. The Laxian glares at you contemptuously. The tiny forest guardian smiles at you shyly. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest. The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
==== END of LOG =======
I dont see no 10 hour sleep no more. One I had before the change. Slept whole bunch at 2pm, they woke up at the begining of 7pm = 5 hours.
>It lost a tick or two (at hero) a while back. I don't think it was all that recently.
10 - 5 = 5. This is how much I lost. Not one or two ticks as you claim.
>Bard sleep could always be that short.
It is (almost) always this short. At least I have not seen any longer ones.
>It won't always be, but it certainly can be.
And I tested it multiple times on multiple mobs. The duration is consistant.
Granted it might be one of other coders tinked with bard sleep (and possibly 'symphonic echoes' too) recently. It is just an unrelable blackjack now. Couild you have a look please?
Thank you in advance.
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Amberion | Thu 06-Aug-09 02:27 PM |
Member since 06th Jun 2007
945 posts
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#26194, "You know, why my current char I've been slept by bards ..."
In response to Reply #14
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... The shortest duration was what? 6 ticks? Once. The rest was 7-9 ticks. (Some of those was with mental resist up.) Always shoot first and then call whatever you hit the target.
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Java | Sat 01-Aug-09 11:59 PM |
Member since 07th Apr 2003
1055 posts
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#26086, "I'm not sure why, but this post cracked me up. nt"
In response to Reply #2
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TMNS | Mon 03-Aug-09 10:45 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
2670 posts
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#26112, "Nep once told me cranial worked a certain way..."
In response to Reply #5
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...and I believed him until I died because it worked in a way he said was impossible.
Now I only trust Zulg with code matters (sorry Nep, you're still my go-to-guy with game mechanics and gameplay).
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Daevryn | Tue 04-Aug-09 04:41 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#26130, "RE: I know."
In response to Reply #7
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It isn't and never was better than trip lag, directly, but indirectly is where things got complicated.
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Mekantos | Tue 04-Aug-09 04:50 PM |
Member since 06th Dec 2003
796 posts
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#26131, "Way to elaborate -nt-"
In response to Reply #8
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Daevryn | Tue 04-Aug-09 04:58 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#26133, "RE: Way to elaborate -nt-"
In response to Reply #9
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Basically in some situations you could end up resting and needing to stand in order to move/flee, which would be your one command between cranials.
To be honest, I don't see any reason why the same thing couldn't happen with trip in those situations.
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Dallevian | Tue 04-Aug-09 08:51 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
1625 posts
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#26140, "That would be awful. And long. Very, very long."
In response to Reply #10
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I think whatever the alternate targets would have to be would die at some point before that ever occurred.
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Ahtieli | Tue 04-Aug-09 05:03 PM |
Member since 12th Oct 2008
76 posts
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#26134, "Disarm legacy anyone? ~"
In response to Reply #5
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