Somewhere else, on Internet 5 I think, there is a series of messages about the power of bard sleep having been significantly toned down.

Is there any truth to these rumors or is this another one of Al Gore's baby's stories?

It lost a tick or two (at hero) a while back. I don't think it was all that recently.

Probably what's being seen more is that its duration can vary a *lot* based on a bunch of different factors, including:

- Everything that can affect sing in general, which isn't a short list
- The instrument
- The repertoire (I don't think what's good for sleep is what people think is good for sleep, but I may be wrong)
- State of the victim
- Repeated sleep attempts (like sleep spell) in a short period get weaker/shorter

>It lost a tick or two (at hero) a while back.

Bard sleep went from 10+ hours to 4 hours duration.


>I don't think it was all that recently.

I've first noticed it on July 28, 2009.


>Probably what's being seen more is that its duration can vary
>a *lot* based on a bunch of different factors, including:
>
>- Everything that can affect sing in general, which isn't a
>short list
>- The instrument
>- The repertoire (I don't think what's good for sleep is what
>people think is good for sleep, but I may be wrong)
>- State of the victim
>- Repeated sleep attempts (like sleep spell) in a short period
>get weaker/shorter

First sleep attempt/perfect health victim/best insturment/etc.
None of which did change.

It is your intention to weaken bards significantly just say so.
If it not - please fix it back.

Thank you.

Bard sleep could always be that short.

It won't always be, but it certainly can be.

<2 PM> sing lul
You sing 'There once was a thief who did creep
Through the streets without making a peep
In the shadows she'd hide
'til her target was spied,
Then she'd whack the poor sod straight to sleep!'

The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The small forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The evil Laxian collapses into a deep sleep.
The tiny forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.
The medium forest guardian collapses into a deep sleep.

//....


The evil Laxian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The small forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The tiny forest guardian wakes and stands up.
The medium forest guardian wakes and stands up.

Autosaving.
You feel less pugilistic.
<7 PM>

<7 PM> look
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
Smiling at you, the small forest guardian turns back to his tree-mending.
The Laxian glares at you contemptuously.
The tiny forest guardian smiles at you shyly.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.
The medium forest guardian welcomes you to his forest.

==== END of LOG =======



I dont see no 10 hour sleep no more. One I had before the change.
Slept whole bunch at 2pm, they woke up at the begining of 7pm = 5 hours.



>It lost a tick or two (at hero) a while back. I don't think it was all that recently.

10 - 5 = 5. This is how much I lost. Not one or two ticks as you claim.



>Bard sleep could always be that short.

It is (almost) always this short.
At least I have not seen any longer ones.


>It won't always be, but it certainly can be.

And I tested it multiple times on multiple mobs.
The duration is consistant.


Granted it might be one of other coders tinked with bard sleep (and possibly 'symphonic echoes' too) recently.
It is just an unrelable blackjack now.
Couild you have a look please?

Thank you in advance.

... simply for the fact that it sounds like Daevryn is saying it wasn't intentional.

Sleep is a streamlined 5-7 hours now, and I was getting sleeps no matter what for 10-12 before... there's no possible way that it wasn't tinkered with. And symphonic echos is infinitely harder to land compared to before.

Maybe Zulg messed something up on accident when he fixed reveille?

... The shortest duration was what? 6 ticks? Once. The rest was 7-9 ticks. (Some of those was with mental resist up.)

nt

... it's because the dude thinks Nep would be lying about this. Or the fact that he didn't read Neps post when it's says that it can vary.

It's like saying that trip has a 0% chance of success and there must be a bug since he tested to trip ONCE and it failed. ;)

Just my thought though. ;)

...and I believed him until I died because it worked in a way he said was impossible.

Now I only trust Zulg with code matters (sorry Nep, you're still my go-to-guy with game mechanics and gameplay).

It usedtocould permalag - and he has always maintained that it could not.

It isn't and never was better than trip lag, directly, but indirectly is where things got complicated.

asf

Basically in some situations you could end up resting and needing to stand in order to move/flee, which would be your one command between cranials.

To be honest, I don't see any reason why the same thing couldn't happen with trip in those situations.

...you telling me that couldn't happen ;) When it could and did.

I think whatever the alternate targets would have to be would die at some point before that ever occurred.

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