I understand edges aren't supposed to be on par with legacies. However shouldn't doubling up on edges be better then still hitting for scratches and grazes. I mean the descriptions are extremely misleading. Can they get a little bump at least?

<575hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> Your character has the following edges:


Stone Shoulders: Your powerful shoulders deliver mighty bashes.
Iron Shoulders: The muscles in your shoulders surge with immense power.


leading with your shoulder, you slam into an elite dungeon guard and send him flying!
Your bash wounds an elite dungeon guard.
An elite dungeon guard has a few scratches.

<636hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard

You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard's kick maims you!
An elite dungeon guard parries your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard parries your wrath.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard has a few scratches.

<602hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard

You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard parries your wrath.
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard has a few scratches.

<602hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> Leading with your shoulder, you slam into an elite dungeon guard and send him flying!
Your bash scratches an elite dungeon guard.
An elite dungeon guard has a few scratches.

<602hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard

You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard parries your wrath.
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard has some small but disgusting cuts.

<602hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard gets a wild look in his eyes.
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard has some small but disgusting cuts.

<602hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> Leading with your shoulder, you slam into an elite dungeon guard and send him flying!
Your bash injures an elite dungeon guard.
An elite dungeon guard has some small but disgusting cuts.

<602hp 391m 725mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is covered with bleeding wounds.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard

You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard is covered with bleeding wounds.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> You slam into an elite dungeon guard, and send him flying!
Your bash grazes an elite dungeon guard.
An elite dungeon guard is covered with bleeding wounds.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard

You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath misses an elite dungeon guard.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is covered with bleeding wounds.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave and return an attack of your own.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath MANGLES an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is gushing blood.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> Springing forward, you send an elite dungeon guard sprawling with a solid body blow!
Your bash injures an elite dungeon guard.
An elite dungeon guard is gushing blood.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave and return an attack of your own.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You dodge an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is gushing blood.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave and return an attack of your own.
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard parries your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard parries your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard is writhing in agony.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard
Springing forward, you send an elite dungeon guard sprawling with a solid body blow!
Your bash mauls an elite dungeon guard.
An elite dungeon guard is writhing in agony.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is writhing in agony.

<612hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)>
An elite dungeon guard's cleave EVISCERATES you!
Your wrath EVISCERATES an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
Your wrath MASSACRES an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is convulsing on the ground.

<564hp 391m 727mv 8486tnl (48.41%)> bash guard
You slam into an elite dungeon guard, and send him flying!
Your bash hits an elite dungeon guard.
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
You parry an elite dungeon guard's cleave.
An elite dungeon guard dodges your wrath.
Your wrath DISMEMBERS an elite dungeon guard!
An elite dungeon guard is DEAD!!
You receive 0 experience points.
An elite dungeon guard's severed head plops on the ground.
You get 3 silver coins from the burnt corpse of an elite dungeon guard.
You get 15 copper coins from the burnt corpse of an elite dungeon guard.
The gods give you 10 copper coins for your sacrifice of the burnt corpse of an elite dungeon guard.

That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.

I'm pretty happy with the effect the edges have for their cost.

They multiply your bash damage. Obviously a bash that would normally be a scratch or graze isn't going to become a whole lot more than that.

So is the only thing this would be good for is if you took the bash legacy, or it does not multiply the dmg for that? Kinda weaksauce if you ask me.

That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.

(at least as I saw them, since I came up with them)

is to basically make something that is already a completely viable and often used tactic and make it a little better.

Nobody bashes for damage. That hasn't changed. But doing an extra 10 or so damage each time you bash someone has the net effect of doing one extra unblockable DISMEMBER after 5 bashes.

They are cheap edges that make something that is really good a little better. They aren't intended to make it so bash is a better (or even comparable) alternative to, say, bludgeon or doublethrust or crescent or chop or any other direct-damage skill.

My bashes should do pinceresque damage. I mean if someone else gets these edges, well that's ####, but my bashes should permalag every time and deal unspeaks. It's only fair.

Exaggerate much? Before you go blowing what I said completely out of proportion why don't you take a look at my log and tell me you would be psyched you just wasted to edges on it? Again I don't expect CAP dmg, just something better then still hitting for scratches.

That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.

I think he was just being silly, I wouldn't get too bent outta shape.

My experience with Hunsobo was that I'd average about grazes-injures pre-edges and about mauls-decimates post-edges. I don't know about other factors for you - Max weight, for instance, smaller opponents for another?

Hell, it may even increase in damage with level, I don't know. I know the mighty kick skill is that way.

>I think he was just being silly, I wouldn't get too bent
>outta shape.
>
>My experience with Hunsobo was that I'd average about
>grazes-injures pre-edges and about mauls-decimates post-edges.
>I don't know about other factors for you - Max weight, for
>instance, smaller opponents for another?
>
>Hell, it may even increase in damage with level, I don't know.
>I know the mighty kick skill is that way.


From a fight against Xinrithil I had with both edges:
Your bash mauls Xinrithil.
Your bash mauls Xinrithil.
Your bash MUTILATES Xinrithil!

Worked like a champ for me.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Yeah I see your point. Though I didn't mean for them to do CAP dmg, if that's what you think I meant, just more then scratches and grazes if someone picks both. Yes I know it's a modifier now, but flat dmg bonus might be better?

That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.