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RagDoll (Anonymous)Tue 02-Jan-18 08:37 PM
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#22959, "Multiple ground controls."


          

Rag doll ... As in throw round like one

Is it right that ground control is stacking in this way?
For the damage it does, the lag it can do, stacking maledictions seems a bit much. This was from one successful owaza and 3 throw ground controls. (IE every ground control maledicted)

-31 dex from ground control
-6 strength

Spell: 'bless' modifies save vs spell by -4 for 20 hours.
Spell: 'bless' modifies hit roll by 2 for 20 hours.
Spell: 'protection from good' for 18 hours.
Song: 'canticle of the gods' modifies save vs spell by -9 for 18 hours.
Song: 'canticle of the gods' modifies hit roll by 5 for 18 hours.
Song: 'charismatic prelude' modifies charisma by 2 for 10 hours.
Skill: 'ground control' modifies dexterity by -8 for 8 hours.
Skill: 'ground control' modifies dexterity by -8 for 8 hours.
Skill: 'ground control' modifies dexterity by -7 for 7 hours.
Skill: 'kotegaeshi' modifies dexterity by -7 for 6 hours.
Skill: 'kotegaeshi' modifies strength by -7 for 6 hours.
Song: 'anthem of resistance' for 4 hours.
Skill: 'ground control' modifies dexterity by -6 for 3 hours.
Skill: 'ground control' modifies strength by -6 for 3 hours.
Skill: 'recuperate' modifies movement regeneration by 7 for 2 hours.

  

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Reply RE: Multiple ground controls., Scarabaeus, 05-Jan-18 08:50 PM, #1
     Reply Am I right to assume, Murphy, 08-Jan-18 12:11 PM, #2
     Reply RE: Am I right to assume, Scarabaeus, 08-Jan-18 12:16 PM, #5
     Reply Unlikely, Kstatida, 09-Jan-18 07:30 PM, #9
     Reply Can we have the same for bat? NT, Kstatida, 08-Jan-18 12:16 PM, #3
     Reply you never know! NT, Scarabaeus, 08-Jan-18 12:21 PM, #7
     Reply RE: Multiple ground controls., Rag Doll (Anonymous), 08-Jan-18 12:16 PM, #4
          Reply HELP files, Scarabaeus, 08-Jan-18 12:17 PM, #6
               Reply RE: HELP files, RagDoll (Anonymous), 09-Jan-18 07:30 PM, #8

ScarabaeusFri 05-Jan-18 08:50 PM
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#22965, "RE: Multiple ground controls."
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There appears to have been a bug in the logic for ground control--which may have been in place for a very long time. I have updated it to work the way I believe it is supposed to work.

The one update we may need to make for the HELP file is that you can get up to 2 ground control affects: one if your arm is hyper-extended and one if your elbow is hyper-extended. But at that point it should max out.

  

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MurphySat 06-Jan-18 04:02 AM
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#22966, "Am I right to assume"
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that one of them is -str and the other -dex?

Also, does that mean that after the first crippling control the rest will always be strikes to the ribs/kicks to the face and thus more likely to permalag?

  

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ScarabaeusMon 08-Jan-18 12:16 PM
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#22969, "RE: Am I right to assume"
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The two non-repeatable actions are -dex. Owaza can flag someone with a -str affect that is also marked as GC.

  

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KstatidaTue 09-Jan-18 02:46 AM
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#22973, "Unlikely"
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You'll just have hyperextensions that don't maladict.

  

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KstatidaSat 06-Jan-18 12:32 PM
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#22967, "Can we have the same for bat? NT"
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NT

  

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ScarabaeusMon 08-Jan-18 12:20 PM
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#22971, "you never know! NT"
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Edited on Mon 08-Jan-18 12:21 PM

  

          

ἡσυχία χρυσῆ

  

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Rag Doll (Anonymous)Sun 07-Jan-18 06:27 PM
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#22968, "RE: Multiple ground controls."
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I feel it would be worth updating the help file:

Once a joint has been hyperextended, further ground controls will
not be possible to this person until they have healed. If the ground
control executed is a strike, however, further ground controls are
possible upon additional successful throws.

The help file does hint that once a hyperextension has landed (regardless of location) that no more of these strikes are possible.
So perhaps replace the above with:

Two types of joint hyperextension are possible, shoulder or elbow, once
a specific joint has been hyper extended, further ground controls will
not be possible to this joint until it has healed. If the ground
control executed is a strike, however, further ground controls are
possible upon additional successful throws.

  

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ScarabaeusMon 08-Jan-18 12:17 PM
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#22970, "HELP files"
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We'd have to think about how to add the Owaza information I note above.

  

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RagDoll (Anonymous)Mon 08-Jan-18 04:07 PM
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#22972, "RE: HELP files"
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Fair point!

Remove ground control from Owaza? Just kidding.

So perhaps replace the above with (Essentially just breaking it out
into the two technique types ... I have no idea if I am even in the
ballpark with how Owaza works tho):

When the opponent is thrown, two types of joint hyper-extension are
possible, shoulder or elbow, once a joint has been hyper-extended,
further ground controls will not be possible to this joint until
it has healed. If the ground control executed is a strike, further
ground controls are possible upon additional successful throws.

When an owaza technique is applied to the opponent two further
variations of joint hyper-extension are possible, shoulder or elbow,
once a joint has been hyper-extended, further ground controls will
not be possible to this joint until it has healed. If the ground
control executed is a strike, further ground controls are possible
upon additional successful throws.

  

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