I do know for a fact that that char spent *ALOT* of time sitting working songs for alot of her life, but alot of chars spend time perfecting pk skills, and once she got going at hero, I know I witnessed (from both sides, first as a lawman, then as Sehvoor) her and her damned bard songs, with a few battle backups, tear into groups that were much larger.


I think what you refer to touches one of the points of Aarn's post. As morts, each of us only have a very limited fraction of a view of most other pc's. If A character is utterly kickass 10% of the time, and utterly worthless 10% of the time, and above average 80% of the time, I am sure there will be players who come away completely convinced that the char was worthless, and other players who come away completely convinced that the char was the end-all-be-all, and many others who are convinced the char was good, but nothing overly great.

Which is why I think imm opinions of chars have the POTENTIAL to be more valid. On one hand, if they choose, they can see much more about a char than any other char can. On the other hand, they do so much work and there are so many pc's that I'm sure many pc's get overlooked.


A few examples.
I remember watching a scribe/acolyte healer change gradually and try to make the change to squire maran. Some imm must have not been paying attention to the long, logical change, and veto'ed it. The healer deleted the details I know come from the somewhat acid deletion post he posted on official. The next day, the deletion post is gone, and the char is back, and is a squire, so my guess was that some imm who knew what was going on rectified the situation.

Also, I got the impression that some imms caught glimpses of my Necro Malzhaalohn being so sunny and cheerful and friendly, and came to the conclusion that I was just HORRIBLE at being evil because they didn't bother to read through my role enough to catch WHY I was acting that way.

On the other hand. Alot of goodie chars that were around with Odrirg were convinced that Odrirg should have been turned neut, and they might not have been TOOO far wrong, but because Odrirg had a detailed role and reasons and thoughts and motivations, He was able to continue with his God's blessings.


All of which is a long way to say, I'm more interested in who the *IMMS* think were the kind of leader characters in the past, than in who the players think were.