So how did Iramath make these groups better? They couldn't figure out on their own not to dirt kick someone who's immune, he told them, then they magically became better players? That's what I was getting at in the original post. You can tell people what to do and what not to do, but that only goes so far. You have no control over them once the fighting starts, and if they suck, having had one or two little coaching sessions probably isn't going to change that.