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UmironTue 12-Jul-16 01:55 PM
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#64048, "RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards."


          

>I just don't get why, when a majority of people come with
>ideas they are all shot down because YOU or the IMMs aren't a
>fan of the ideas. I mean votes, polls, are non existent?
>Considering that it is something for the player base which we
>all see is dwindling. I don't know why it's always an
>iron-fist with IMM's about anything being changed or looked
>at.

Dallevian isn't wrong. We're all chasing fun. For players, that means choosing whether to play CF or something else, managing the expectations, and others things. For the staff, it (usually) means balancing other people's fun with their own because oftentimes their fun is derived from that of others. Which is to say that most of us enjoy CF more when, and perhaps only if, it has enough (some subjective amount of) players. On the other hand, we have to also prioritize our own happiness in working on CF otherwise it doesn't make sense to do it at all, which means no CF. Because CF isn't a product and we're not getting paid, the only motivation to contribute is fun, and building someone else's vision when that vision doesn't match one's own is probably not fun. For 22 years now the proposition hasn't changed: we build the kind of game that appeals to us and hope other people enjoy it too. It's a little more complicated than that, but sans the sugarcoating that's basically the crux of it.

So there's that.

Also, you're taking one example and using it as a foundation to assert that we unilaterally ignore players and their feedback, which isn't true. We've changed or implemented a lot of things based on player-submitted ideas and feedback, include some very favorable changes to skill learning and experience. IIRC, the item search (and later upping it's level ceiling) was a player idea, and I'm sure I could come up with many more without even dipping into Santa Zulg.

If a dozen players demanded we let them start at level 51 or allow them to load equipment citing that it would "reduce the grind" or make the game more fun we would say no over and over, no matter how many times they asked. If your assertion is that somehow means we're tyrannical or unreadable then I guess I'll have to get used to your disappointment.

  

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HOT TopicEdges - NOT a post about PK rewards. [View all] , Sarien, Tue 12-Jul-16 12:11 PM
Reply The nice things are strictly rationed in today's CF., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 01:41 AM, #23
Reply RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards., Umiron, 12-Jul-16 12:54 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards., LoverofCF (Anonymous), 12-Jul-16 01:12 PM, #2
     Reply who does the work?, Dallevian, 12-Jul-16 01:23 PM, #3
     Reply I'd do it. n/t, Saagkri, 12-Jul-16 01:48 PM, #6
          Reply You know how/where to apply to the staff nt, Destuvius, 12-Jul-16 05:12 PM, #10
               Reply I'd do it., Murphy, 12-Jul-16 06:46 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards., Umiron, 12-Jul-16 01:55 PM #7
     Reply RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards., LoverofCF (Anonymous), 12-Jul-16 02:59 PM, #9
     Reply It's not just player ideas., Jormyr, 12-Jul-16 10:55 PM, #15
          Reply Start passing the hat around for a new keyboard. , Demos, 12-Jul-16 10:28 PM, #18
     Reply Followup - Your cookie cutter comment., Sarien, 12-Jul-16 01:25 PM, #4
     Reply RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment., Umiron, 12-Jul-16 01:36 PM, #5
          Reply RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment., TJHuron, 12-Jul-16 02:06 PM, #8
          Reply Bards are no longer my favorite class, Murphy, 12-Jul-16 06:50 PM, #12
          Reply That was actually the one class I had in mind when maki..., TJHuron, 12-Jul-16 07:40 PM, #13
          Reply Bards still are my fav. class, lasentia, 13-Jul-16 07:05 AM, #25
               Reply I'm not revealing any of my secrets., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 07:58 AM, #26
               Reply I would trade every edge I could get for bash protectio..., lasentia, 13-Jul-16 10:08 AM, #29
                    Reply Dude, you don't understand Murph. He needs at least 15..., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 06:52 PM, #38
                    Reply You know nothing, Same., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 07:44 PM, #47
                    Reply Play a centaur bard., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 08:47 PM, #53
               Reply I think you need to know the bard type to answer this, TJHuron, 13-Jul-16 08:10 AM, #28
                    Reply RE: I think you need to know the bard type to answer th..., lasentia, 13-Jul-16 10:35 AM, #30
                         Reply Well, one can make your argument for any class and edge..., TJHuron, 13-Jul-16 11:16 AM, #31
                         Reply I think we do agree, lasentia, 13-Jul-16 02:57 PM, #32
                              Reply RE: I think we do agree, stlucian1992, 13-Jul-16 03:59 PM, #35
                         Reply Honestly, Perfect Pitch was the only "must have"., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 06:53 PM, #39
                              Reply Perfect pitch is not required, Murphy, 13-Jul-16 08:21 PM, #52
          Reply Ironically, I go entirely the other way., Jormyr, 12-Jul-16 07:53 PM, #14
          Reply I found a few like that., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 01:38 AM, #22
          Reply RE: Ironically, I go entirely the other way., Saagkri, 13-Jul-16 08:08 AM, #27
          Reply RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment., Umiron, 12-Jul-16 09:05 PM, #16
               Reply Armchair balancing., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 01:38 AM, #21
                    Reply RE: Armchair balancing., Umiron, 13-Jul-16 05:42 PM, #36
                         Reply This is why I've never applied. =) n/t, Lhydia, 13-Jul-16 06:43 PM, #37
                         Reply Not for nothing, but remember Murph is ESL., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 06:56 PM, #40
                         Reply "Has ESL", not "is ESL"., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 08:51 PM, #54
                              Reply ESL = English Speaking Louse, TMNS, 13-Jul-16 09:32 PM, #55
                                   Reply You stinking RLB., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 11:21 PM, #57
                         Reply Oh I understand, Murphy, 13-Jul-16 07:48 PM, #44
                              Reply RE: Oh I understand, Umiron, 13-Jul-16 07:46 PM, #48
                                   Reply One caveat here, Murphy, 13-Jul-16 08:00 PM, #49
                                        Reply RE: One caveat here, Umiron, 13-Jul-16 08:09 PM, #50
                                             Reply I judge from my own experience, Murphy, 13-Jul-16 08:16 PM, #51
          Reply This made my night!, SPN, 12-Jul-16 11:06 PM, #19
          Reply In practice, there are huge gamechanger edges, Sertius, 13-Jul-16 03:21 PM, #33
               Reply Buki edges are super cheap., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 03:29 PM, #34
               Reply Hey! I came up with that regen in forest's better edge..., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 06:57 PM, #41
     Reply RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards., Bemused, 12-Jul-16 09:17 PM, #17
     Reply Plenty of edge points is what allows one to NOT min-max..., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 01:35 AM, #20
     Reply No, your ass broke it with your 32 edged-character. FF..., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 06:59 PM, #42
          Reply 31-edged., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 07:42 PM, #45
     Reply Edge popularity doesn't measure strength or usefulness., KaguMaru, 13-Jul-16 05:40 AM, #24
     Reply They've been scarce for all of 6 months or so., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 07:01 PM, #43
          Reply 30 edges is fine and it never hurt the game., Murphy, 13-Jul-16 07:43 PM, #46
          Reply My funstick disagrees., TMNS, 13-Jul-16 09:33 PM, #56
          Reply RC rewards:, Iunna, 14-Jul-16 03:16 PM, #61
          Reply Nah, throw them a minor power., TMNS, 14-Jul-16 06:21 PM, #62
          Reply Yeah but that sounds boring., Iunna, 14-Jul-16 06:40 PM, #63
               Reply RE: Yeah but that sounds boring., Umiron, 14-Jul-16 06:47 PM, #64
          Reply The fact that you actually had 7 legacies makes it sort..., Lhydia, 14-Jul-16 09:18 PM, #65
          Reply They were scarce before and experimenting with uknown e..., KaguMaru, 16-Jul-16 05:02 AM, #67
     Reply Two ideas., Shapa, 14-Jul-16 01:44 AM, #58
          Reply RE: Two ideas., Umiron, 14-Jul-16 06:35 AM, #59
          Reply I have a counter suggestion, Kstatida, 14-Jul-16 07:54 AM, #60
               Reply RE: I have a counter suggestion, Shapa, 14-Jul-16 09:36 PM, #66
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