Umiron | Tue 12-Jul-16 01:36 PM |
Member since 29th May 2017
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#64046, "RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment."
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>"Ironically, while there are a LOT of edges (see below), >relatively few of them are remotely popular. So while in >theory edges allow for a huge degree of customization, in >practice they don't really result in customization so much as >they amplify the strength or mitigate the weaknesses of builds >that still end up being built and played the exact same way. >In essence, things are just as 'cookie-cutter' as they would >be without edges at all." > >I see your point there. Would you maybe consider rolling >these "Need to Succeed" style cookie-cutter edges into their >respective class/skill combo's?
These are almost never "need to succeed" and almost always "insist because it's good and possible to have so why wouldn't I?", which are different things. So this goes back to finding the time to refactor some of those edges so that they're not the obvious choice 100% of the time. Of course, then we're the bad guy for "nerfing" things. There are exceptions, don't get me wrong, but more often than not we're talking about a player going, "Well the +10 to assbeating sword is good, but the +15 is better" and eventually forming an expectation that only the +15 will do even though the +10 is plenty effective. That's probably our fault for catering too much to the wrong kind of player.
>I think also, that since edges are more scarce than they were >before - people are less likely to vary from "what is known" >to try something new.
That's a reasonable theory, though I do occasionally see people comment about experimentation on death threads.
>For reference, I had been considering taking the 'lucky' edge. > I have never taken it - ever. And, I'm playing a class which >has several critical success chance based abilities. I mulled >over taking it for about a week (possibly longer) and ended up >going with an edge that I already knew instead.
And that's kind of the point. To a degree, we want to put you to your guns, as the saying goes.
>The availability of less edges, and less lee-way to experiment >with edges probably ensures that the same edges are always >taken.
I don't agree with this conclusion.
>Now, I don't think that my character would be "ruined" if I >had taken the lucky edge. But, it isn't tried and true and >the edge points I had were hard earned.
Your character wouldn't have been ruined if they had taken the Lucky edge.
>Would you take the lucky edge?
Never.
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Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards.
[View all] , Sarien, Tue 12-Jul-16 12:11 PM
The nice things are strictly rationed in today's CF.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 01:41 AM, #23
RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards.,
Umiron,
12-Jul-16 12:54 PM, #1
RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards.,
LoverofCF (Anonymous),
12-Jul-16 01:12 PM, #2
who does the work?,
Dallevian,
12-Jul-16 01:23 PM, #3
I'd do it. n/t,
Saagkri,
12-Jul-16 01:48 PM, #6
You know how/where to apply to the staff nt,
Destuvius,
12-Jul-16 05:12 PM, #10
I'd do it.,
Murphy,
12-Jul-16 06:46 PM, #11
RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards.,
Umiron,
12-Jul-16 01:55 PM, #7
RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards.,
LoverofCF (Anonymous),
12-Jul-16 02:59 PM, #9
It's not just player ideas.,
Jormyr,
12-Jul-16 10:55 PM, #15
Start passing the hat around for a new keyboard. ,
Demos,
12-Jul-16 10:28 PM, #18
Followup - Your cookie cutter comment.,
Sarien,
12-Jul-16 01:25 PM, #4
RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment.,
Umiron,
12-Jul-16 01:36 PM #5
RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment.,
TJHuron,
12-Jul-16 02:06 PM, #8
Bards are no longer my favorite class,
Murphy,
12-Jul-16 06:50 PM, #12
That was actually the one class I had in mind when maki...,
TJHuron,
12-Jul-16 07:40 PM, #13
Bards still are my fav. class,
lasentia,
13-Jul-16 07:05 AM, #25
I'm not revealing any of my secrets.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 07:58 AM, #26
I would trade every edge I could get for bash protectio...,
lasentia,
13-Jul-16 10:08 AM, #29
Dude, you don't understand Murph. He needs at least 15...,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 06:52 PM, #38
You know nothing, Same.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 07:44 PM, #47
Play a centaur bard.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 08:47 PM, #53
I think you need to know the bard type to answer this,
TJHuron,
13-Jul-16 08:10 AM, #28
RE: I think you need to know the bard type to answer th...,
lasentia,
13-Jul-16 10:35 AM, #30
Well, one can make your argument for any class and edge...,
TJHuron,
13-Jul-16 11:16 AM, #31
I think we do agree,
lasentia,
13-Jul-16 02:57 PM, #32
RE: I think we do agree,
stlucian1992,
13-Jul-16 03:59 PM, #35
Honestly, Perfect Pitch was the only "must have".,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 06:53 PM, #39
Perfect pitch is not required,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 08:21 PM, #52
Ironically, I go entirely the other way.,
Jormyr,
12-Jul-16 07:53 PM, #14
I found a few like that.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 01:38 AM, #22
RE: Ironically, I go entirely the other way.,
Saagkri,
13-Jul-16 08:08 AM, #27
RE: Followup - Your cookie cutter comment.,
Umiron,
12-Jul-16 09:05 PM, #16
Armchair balancing.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 01:38 AM, #21
RE: Armchair balancing.,
Umiron,
13-Jul-16 05:42 PM, #36
This is why I've never applied. =) n/t,
Lhydia,
13-Jul-16 06:43 PM, #37
Not for nothing, but remember Murph is ESL.,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 06:56 PM, #40
"Has ESL", not "is ESL".,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 08:51 PM, #54
ESL = English Speaking Louse,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 09:32 PM, #55
You stinking RLB.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 11:21 PM, #57
Oh I understand,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 07:48 PM, #44
RE: Oh I understand,
Umiron,
13-Jul-16 07:46 PM, #48
One caveat here,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 08:00 PM, #49
RE: One caveat here,
Umiron,
13-Jul-16 08:09 PM, #50
I judge from my own experience,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 08:16 PM, #51
This made my night!,
SPN,
12-Jul-16 11:06 PM, #19
In practice, there are huge gamechanger edges,
Sertius,
13-Jul-16 03:21 PM, #33
Buki edges are super cheap.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 03:29 PM, #34
Hey! I came up with that regen in forest's better edge...,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 06:57 PM, #41
RE: Edges - NOT a post about PK rewards.,
Bemused,
12-Jul-16 09:17 PM, #17
Plenty of edge points is what allows one to NOT min-max...,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 01:35 AM, #20
No, your ass broke it with your 32 edged-character. FF...,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 06:59 PM, #42
31-edged.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 07:42 PM, #45
Edge popularity doesn't measure strength or usefulness.,
KaguMaru,
13-Jul-16 05:40 AM, #24
They've been scarce for all of 6 months or so.,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 07:01 PM, #43
30 edges is fine and it never hurt the game.,
Murphy,
13-Jul-16 07:43 PM, #46
My funstick disagrees.,
TMNS,
13-Jul-16 09:33 PM, #56
RC rewards:,
Iunna,
14-Jul-16 03:16 PM, #61
Nah, throw them a minor power.,
TMNS,
14-Jul-16 06:21 PM, #62
Yeah but that sounds boring.,
Iunna,
14-Jul-16 06:40 PM, #63
RE: Yeah but that sounds boring.,
Umiron,
14-Jul-16 06:47 PM, #64
The fact that you actually had 7 legacies makes it sort...,
Lhydia,
14-Jul-16 09:18 PM, #65
They were scarce before and experimenting with uknown e...,
KaguMaru,
16-Jul-16 05:02 AM, #67
Two ideas.,
Shapa,
14-Jul-16 01:44 AM, #58
RE: Two ideas.,
Umiron,
14-Jul-16 06:35 AM, #59
I have a counter suggestion,
Kstatida,
14-Jul-16 07:54 AM, #60
RE: I have a counter suggestion,
Shapa,
14-Jul-16 09:36 PM, #66
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