>I wouldn't call trying to get your item back raiding a cabal,
>but that's really semantics.

Yeah it is. Potato tomato.

>I'd probably agree with you, except, invoker on the other
>side. What should have been his most crushing spells in that
>fight did 0 damage. Frankly, I have to respect the balls on
>invoker who'd even try to fight 3 people (one with insect
>swarm) when one on the other side is also an invoker. I think
>that's actually one of the worst kinds of fights anyone can
>get into.

The thing is, I think he saw how many levels he had on me and basically discounted my ability completely, which was clearly a mistake. Also in retrospect the person who got the title wasn't even the one who looted, and the invoker wasn't alone. There were 4 other people in my range on the opposing side in that fight. I killed one, ran one off, and was summoned to the other two after the invoker died. Sure the invoker was the focus of the defenders, but thats just good tactics. We had 5 hostile characters coming to attack us. The invoker just happened to get seperated from the others. it wasn't some massive 5 on 1 gank, it was 5 people coming to raid against 3 defenders in range. The invoker was singled out because he was up in the forefront.

>
>I have to look at situations like that and ask (not you
>specifically)... do you want to only fight massive gangs?
>Because no one rational is going to take the least risk they
>might die in fighting you if you treat your enemies that way.
>If I, IC, see something like that and then later have to fight
>one of those characters, and I think I can take them... I'm
>rounding up some people to gang them just to make sure,
>because I know what I'm not even getting my pies back if I'm
>wrong.

I get full looted anytime I die to tribs or imperials. Ragers will sac everything magical which is about everything I own, even if they gang you down. It's been said time and time again when someone complains about someone else "Ganging and full looting are a part of the game. If we didn't want them then we wouldn't allow them". In this instance it wasn't even a gang, and the person who got smacked with a negative title wasn't even the one to loot. I'm not saying there's nothing to this, but a lot of the "reasons" for it just weren't factual. If what you are going by was the impression that the character was part of some massive 4 on 1 gang on a lone invoker, thats just not the case. It was a 4 on 3 attempt at retrieval, we were the ones outnumbered (for in hero range, we did have supporting out of range players). None of the people involved in the fighting were even the ones to loot, it was a lower level person who looted. I mean, if you were told it was otherwise I can see where you might think the title was deserved, but I'm telling you thats just not how it went down. Thats why I was irked at what I saw as a singling out of one character unfairly.

All I'm really saying is, I think there should be some consistency to things like bad titles being given out. I'd like to see less subjectivity to these things so people will be able to avoid these things in the future. I happen to think the character in question is quality, and didn't deserve the title. You can say "it's just a title" but it it didn't mean anything, then it wouldn't have been given to her int he first place.