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#70139, "RE: These were all before the throw edge hype."
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I'm assuming the list of throw-exploiting-assassins is basically Tiiga, Jeede, Nazaretes, Cainasir and Qinsa, all of whom died in 2016, and all of whom except Jeede had Master of Nage Waza.
I sorted by PKW and then went from the top down and picked out characters that died in 2016. Many of these have detect hidden, and some of them would have been allies of some (but not all) of the above assassins. Here's what I've got:
Reegun, human shaman, 163-53 overall, 1-3 vs. assassin Others: 0-2 vs. transmuter, 7-7 vs. druid, 2-2 vs. AP
Golthazar, duergar warrior, 158-62 overall, 9-2 vs. assassin Others: 0-6 vs. transmuter, 8-9 vs. paladin
Kaer, fire warrior, 150-77 overall, 8-7 vs. assassin Others: 2-3 vs. rangers, 7-14 vs. shaman, 0-1 vs. necromancer
Darvoderis, half-drow shaman, 131-114 overall, 5-16 vs. assassin Others: 0-2 vs. transmuter, 2-4 vs. thief, 6-8 vs. paladin
Grimghal, duegar warrior, 128-28 overall, 1-1 vs. assassin Others: 4-4 vs. paladin, 5-4 vs. necromancer
Mhirnal, drow anti-paladin, 118-6 overall, 8-1 vs. assassin Others: n/a
Zalgordrax, mummy necromancer, 113-16 overall, 4-4 vs. assassin Others: n/a
Muuksube, duergar shaman, 112-11 overall, 4-1 vs. assassin Others: n/a
Tsalantha, drow anti-paladin, 174-9 overall, 15-0 vs. assassin Others: n/a
Out of these nine, five did worse against assassin than their overall record would predict. Though, in some cases we're talking about very small numbers, e.g. Reegun going 2-2. That's worse than his 163-53 record would predict, but when you only die twice to a class over a long life it's hard to argue you were dominated by that class.
Only two, Kaer and Darvoderis, had more than a handful of deaths to assassins. Darvoderis had 114 PK deaths (!!!) so his assassin death count may not mean much. He seemed to die to all kinds of classes.
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CF Assassins
[View all] , Mcbeth, Thu 15-Mar-18 01:10 PM
don't forget -STR changes and lag to walking,
Dallevian,
25-Mar-18 06:15 PM, #47
No -str from ground control on throw...,
Tac,
26-Mar-18 09:27 AM, #48
For gods sake can we let it go!,
DeathIncarnate,
23-Mar-18 07:07 PM, #43
They have NOT been the same.,
Murphy,
23-Mar-18 07:27 PM, #44
Wrong.,
Matrik-,
24-Mar-18 01:46 PM, #45
Yuck, he has Matrik's memories, too. (n/t),
Murphy,
24-Mar-18 05:39 PM, #46
How about the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu?,
Murphy,
23-Mar-18 03:50 AM, #39
Assassins suck,
Kstatida,
23-Mar-18 06:35 AM, #40
RE: CF Assassins,
Jormyr,
16-Mar-18 02:20 PM, #21
FWIW Perma-lag throw isn't generally the issue...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 04:45 PM, #22
RE: CF Assassins,
Saagkri,
16-Mar-18 05:54 PM, #23
Two Cents,
Daerkshyn,
18-Mar-18 01:12 AM, #26
I'm on board with the spirit of this post...,
Tac,
19-Mar-18 09:09 AM, #27
RE: I'm on board with the spirit of this post...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 12:02 PM, #28
Thieves,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 02:40 PM, #29
RE: Thieves,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 04:22 PM, #30
RE: Thieves,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 05:46 PM, #31
RE: Thieves,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 10:44 PM, #37
I'd also add one more thing,
Bemused,
19-Mar-18 06:29 PM, #32
Incentives are good...,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 06:38 PM, #33
RE: Incentives are good...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 07:24 PM, #34
RE: Incentives are good...,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 07:34 PM, #35
RE: Incentives are good...,
Bemused,
19-Mar-18 08:42 PM, #36
RE: Incentives are good...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 10:48 PM, #38
There is some partially self selected data (From PBFs),
SPN,
23-Mar-18 01:34 PM, #41
RE: There is some partially self selected data (From PB...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
23-Mar-18 04:21 PM, #42
All #### needs to be supported by statistics,
Kstatida,
16-Mar-18 02:57 AM, #10
RE: All #### needs to be supported by statistics,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 09:26 AM, #11
So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a rep...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 11:04 AM, #13
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 11:31 AM, #14
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 11:57 AM, #15
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 12:53 PM, #16
We tell newbs to play assassins.,
Saagkri,
16-Mar-18 01:53 PM, #20
These were all before the throw edge hype.,
Murphy,
16-Mar-18 08:11 PM, #24
RE: These were all before the throw edge hype.,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 09:24 PM #25
What would you do stats on exactly?,
robdarken_,
16-Mar-18 01:33 PM, #17
RE: CF Assassins,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
15-Mar-18 04:52 PM, #9
"That includes when I don't have detect hidden." When ...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 10:46 AM, #12
#truth (N/T),
Jormyr,
16-Mar-18 01:14 PM, #18
RE: CF Assassins,
Jaegendar,
15-Mar-18 02:56 PM, #7
RE: CF Assassins,
Tac,
15-Mar-18 04:39 PM, #8
IMO it's just the OP edges,
Calion,
15-Mar-18 02:02 PM, #6
Just speculation...,
Saagkri,
15-Mar-18 01:32 PM, #3
Taking away trance might up the number of assassination...,
Mcbeth,
15-Mar-18 01:36 PM, #4
RE: CF Assassins,
robdarken_,
15-Mar-18 01:21 PM, #1
Throw/GC vs rest of the skillset in PK,
Mcbeth,
15-Mar-18 01:26 PM, #2
Agree.,
robdarken_,
16-Mar-18 01:30 PM, #19
RE: CF Assassins,
Tac,
15-Mar-18 01:44 PM, #5
Having just put almost 300 hour in one...,
Dhoyshdean,
28-Mar-18 09:37 AM, #49
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