Jormyr | Wed 13-Apr-16 12:44 AM |
Member since 31st Dec 2014
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#63353, "My personal comments"
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Obviously, first and foremost, no - the Imms are not trying to kill the MUD.
Secondly, to address your Umiron quote -
> "Lastly, I would encourage players to remember that regardless > of how you feel about this or episodes like it, you almost > always lack information and context that we do not. That doesn't > automatically make us right or someone else wrong, but do try to > acknowledge that reality when not only forming your opinion but > specifically when passing judgement in writing on a public > forum. Thanks."
Having to deal with Umiron WAY more often than most players, at no point is he a control freak. The one bit of truth I'll possibly give Mr. HardTruth is that he may not always come across as the best PR guy. In all my dealings with him, Umiron is very much like many other coders who've also been maligned at times (Valguarnera, Zulghinlour, etc) - he's direct, no-nonsense, and a get-the-job-done sort. I tend to feel like it's a personality trait of coders.
As far as posting the log of the whole scenario, it's not that we're keeping it from everyone for our own nefarious purposes, it's for the players' own sake that we don't spew those situations into the realm of public knowledge. As an example, I've deal with multiple RotDs this month, and the entire goal is to address whatever concern/problem/cheat there may be, punish if needed, and then hopefully that's the end of it. As with anything, some have been characters I've had to keep an eye on, others have been ones I never expected, and haven't had a problem since.
Also, for those who continually whine about favorites, or jalim's supposed hookups - that's part of exactly why Matrik got the punishment he did - because he got punished based exactly on his actions, and nothing to do with who he is or isn't. Most of the time Imms don't want to know what player's behind the character, and often don't know. I happened to be on later on after the original incident, and spent a good bit of time looking into it myself...and until these threads had no idea it was Matrik who got banned.
I'm actually rather surprised to find out it was him, as I feel as though for the most part, I've generally enjoyed Matrik as a player. As far as banned - yes, bans are permanent - but perhaps the better term is they're indefinite. Doesn't mean someone can't be unbanned, but it's not going to happen w/o Immortals specifically choosing to remove it. Given the fact that he got banned, a forum crusade definitely isn't the way for it to happen (though yes, it has sparked a great deal of discussion, awareness, etc). I expect the better option to possibly see results would be a civil e-mail to Immortals. It's quite possible, perhaps probably, that he remains banned, but it's the proper route to approach it, if he wants to convince the staff he's not going to run into further trouble. It's also something he'd have to initiate.
Ultimately, I am rather pleased to see that aside from perhaps a bit much passion, and assumption that the Immortals have no clue what we're doing...overall this has been a relatively civil conversation. For that, I'd like to offer at least a small thanks to those involved.
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It looks like you are actually trying to kill this game...
[View all] , robdarken_, Wed 13-Apr-16 07:41 AM
I normally wouldn't agree with this type of thing...,
Bubthegreat,
21-Apr-16 03:03 AM, #55
Huh? What? Huh?,
TMNS,
21-Apr-16 04:18 AM, #56
That seemed a tad harsh. nt,
Saagkri,
21-Apr-16 08:43 AM, #57
It might have been, was 6am here so I was fighting slee...,
TMNS,
21-Apr-16 07:54 PM, #60
Haha. Replied under the wrong post. I agree with Sam's ...,
jalbrin,
21-Apr-16 02:41 PM, #58
RE: Huh? What? Huh?,
Bubthegreat,
22-Apr-16 02:35 AM, #61
RE: I normally wouldn't agree with this type of thing.....,
Umiron,
21-Apr-16 07:14 PM, #59
RE: I normally wouldn't agree with this type of thing.....,
Bubthegreat,
22-Apr-16 02:46 AM, #62
Aaaaand I'm back to the not okay with it.,
Bubthegreat,
25-Apr-16 03:52 AM, #63
I still do it manually.,
Murphy,
25-Apr-16 04:50 AM, #64
This particular instance is just silly to try and white...,
Destuvius,
25-Apr-16 05:45 AM, #65
I think he believed he wasn't breaking the rules.,
robdarken_,
25-Apr-16 08:41 AM, #67
On that note, thread locked due to clutter.,
Jormyr,
25-Apr-16 09:44 PM, #72
RE: Aaaaand I'm back to the not okay with it.,
robdarken_,
25-Apr-16 09:06 AM, #68
relax man,
laxman,
25-Apr-16 11:33 AM, #69
The docks aren'the even that bad to do...,
Onewingedangel,
25-Apr-16 12:39 PM, #70
Let me get this straight,
TJHuron,
25-Apr-16 04:18 PM, #71
My own personal CF odyssey of the last 2 decades,
laxman,
19-Apr-16 10:19 PM, #53
I'm still mad I was wasting my time partying in HS inst...,
TMNS,
20-Apr-16 12:08 AM, #54
My personal comments,
Jormyr,
13-Apr-16 12:44 AM #39
Whatever Jorm, you promised us you'd publish your taxes...,
Raltevio,
13-Apr-16 02:47 AM, #41
RE: Whatever Jorm, you promised us you'd publish your t...,
robdarken_,
13-Apr-16 07:04 AM, #46
RE: My personal comments,
robdarken_,
13-Apr-16 07:09 AM, #45
RE: My personal comments,
Jormyr,
13-Apr-16 02:16 PM, #47
I started writing a long post, but what it amounted to ...,
Raltevio,
12-Apr-16 03:24 AM, #19
Y'all just need to chill,
Quiet Majority (Anonymous),
12-Apr-16 06:46 PM, #37
RE: Y'all just need to chill,
Raltevio,
13-Apr-16 03:50 AM, #43
Brilliant. Thank you for saying this. :-) n/t,
Evil_Ranger,
13-Apr-16 03:53 AM, #44
I disagree on one minor point,
Doof,
19-Apr-16 05:56 AM, #51
One thing I feel you left out.,
Onewingedangel,
19-Apr-16 05:10 PM, #52
House building,
Swordsosaurus,
12-Apr-16 09:30 PM, #38
So a few comments.,
Raltevio,
13-Apr-16 02:43 AM, #40
RE: So a few comments.,
Swordsosaurus,
13-Apr-16 03:21 AM, #42
RE: I started writing a long post, but what it amounted...,
Eskelian,
15-Apr-16 08:14 AM, #48
You misunderstand..,
Raltevio,
15-Apr-16 06:45 PM, #49
Why CF is dead and isn't coming back,
HardTruth,
11-Apr-16 06:40 PM, #2
I like Umiron. I think they do a pretty good job lately...,
Lhydia,
11-Apr-16 06:43 PM, #
Umiron hands your village assassins legacies. I'm not s...,
HardTruth,
11-Apr-16 06:45 PM, #4
Sweet. ,
Lhydia,
11-Apr-16 06:47 PM, #5
I am being helpful right now, by giving my genuine opin...,
HardTruth,
11-Apr-16 06:50 PM, #6
Oh okay. Good talk. Very helpful. Thanks. n/t,
Lhydia,
11-Apr-16 06:51 PM, #7
#### you, leave Jalim alone nt,
N b M,
11-Apr-16 08:56 PM, #10
I honestly agree here.,
Onewingedangel,
11-Apr-16 06:55 PM, #8
RE: Why CF is dead and isn't coming back,
Destuvius,
11-Apr-16 08:49 PM, #9
RE: Why CF is dead and isn't coming back,
Swordsosaurus,
11-Apr-16 09:59 PM, #11
I love Matrik...but one of our best players???,
TMNS,
11-Apr-16 10:20 PM, #12
Yes,
Swordsosaurus,
11-Apr-16 10:26 PM, #14
There is a reason for that...,
Destuvius,
12-Apr-16 05:44 AM, #21
Pretty sure..,
Lhydia,
12-Apr-16 06:35 AM, #22
RE: Pretty sure..,
Destuvius,
12-Apr-16 08:40 AM, #24
Agreed, Never understood the...,
TMNS,
12-Apr-16 09:36 AM, #25
Yeah but you're resident drama king...,
Lhydia,
12-Apr-16 09:58 AM, #27
I mean, that is a valid conspiracy theory.,
TMNS,
12-Apr-16 11:42 AM, #28
As the trusted reader I can confirm both of those claim...,
robdarken_,
12-Apr-16 01:00 PM, #29
Well, there you have it. NT,
TMNS,
12-Apr-16 01:10 PM, #30
Now we know. n/t,
Lhydia,
12-Apr-16 03:38 PM, #32
You misunderstood,
Swordsosaurus,
12-Apr-16 03:37 PM, #31
RE: You misunderstood,
Destuvius,
12-Apr-16 06:27 PM, #35
RE: Why CF is dead and isn't coming back,
robdarken_,
12-Apr-16 12:29 AM, #15
I suppose its a chicken/egg problem,
Destuvius,
12-Apr-16 05:38 AM, #20
RE: I suppose its a chicken/egg problem,
robdarken_,
12-Apr-16 03:51 PM, #33
RE: I suppose its a chicken/egg problem,
Destuvius,
12-Apr-16 06:36 PM, #36
Perhaps he just has a healthy fear of retribution.,
Grifter,
12-Apr-16 05:01 PM, #34
Umiron is the most transparent, not least.,
KoeKhaos,
16-Apr-16 11:16 AM, #50
RE: Why CF is dead and isn't coming back,
Isildur,
25-Apr-16 07:29 AM, #66
I'm not and I've never gotten the impression any other ...,
Umiron,
11-Apr-16 06:34 PM, #1
RE: I'm not and I've never gotten the impression any ot...,
robdarken_,
11-Apr-16 06:44 PM, #3
Dude...they let Torak come back.,
TMNS,
11-Apr-16 10:22 PM, #13
RE: Dude...they let Torak come back.,
robdarken_,
12-Apr-16 12:57 AM, #16
Would it be better if matrix still played?,
incognito,
12-Apr-16 01:29 AM, #17
Who are you again?,
robdarken_,
12-Apr-16 01:51 AM, #18
Someone who dealt with your dios troll pack,
incognito,
12-Apr-16 07:59 AM, #23
Agreed about banning him from the forum.,
TMNS,
12-Apr-16 09:40 AM, #26
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