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lasentiaWed 05-Aug-15 09:58 AM
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#60301, "Yeah, no, that edge is hardly OP."


          

If it could be toggled between on, off and feign either, that would be insanely OP. People would never know if a bard was actually near death. As it is, after maybe two fights you know if a bard has either edge (most assume bards have weakness) and it ceases to matter for the most part.

The problem with the feign edges to me is always this.

Feign strength- You look healthier, and maybe opponents flee instead of finishing you. Except opponents in control of the fight don't care if you die in four rounds or six. Bards are not scary in passive melee and have crap for ability to lag opponents out. Fights you are in control of, opponents are leaving earlier because they don't think they are in as much control or that they have a shot to swing it to their favor. This means you're pretty much screwing your ability to kill them because you can't keep them engaged as readily in the fight by stringing them along. Great for maybe survival, horrible for landing PKs. Nobody has ever cared about being the most survivable bard. (well, besides my overly conservative self)

Feign Weakness- Most vets assume bards have this, know general hp levels of classes, can assess gear bonuses, and track their own damage output. After maybe two fights, you know if a bard has the edge. They might over commit to a fight, but in most cases where they see a bard convulsing, the bard dies anyway. In close fights, they are probably going in knowing it is close anyway. People decide to flee when looking at their own chances and their opponents, and most weigh in this edge into making that decision when comparing their health to the bards.

The only way a bard can really maximize feign weakness, is to feign it through his actions as well as having the edge. This means fleeing at 50% health, maybe 60%, because you know you look writhing to them. It means not blasting away at people that are gushing when you know you look to be convulsing to them. The only way the edge is useful, is if people genuinely don't know, or have reason to suspect that you have it. And that's a lot harder to pull off.

  

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HOT TopicThought Experiment: Incorporating Edges [View all] , Umiron, Sun 19-Jul-15 04:59 PM
Reply Wand edges., Kalageadon, 11-Aug-15 05:19 PM, #84
Reply Combat Elementalist, Malakhi, 11-Aug-15 01:47 PM, #83
Reply Herbal Forage, trewyn, 10-Aug-15 12:02 PM, #81
Reply That too much power to give away., Aereglen, 10-Aug-15 11:45 PM, #82
Reply MOAR EDGES, TrapperJohn (Anonymous), 06-Aug-15 11:30 AM, #78
Reply This one is nice ~, Kstatida, 07-Aug-15 02:55 AM, #79
Reply Feign strength/weakness should be toggleable skills, no..., Relio, 04-Aug-15 06:10 PM, #69
Reply I could just about but into thi, incognito, 05-Aug-15 01:15 AM, #72
Reply Feign weakness should just be removed, Kstatida, 05-Aug-15 09:30 AM, #74
     Reply Yeah, no, that edge is hardly OP., lasentia, 05-Aug-15 09:58 AM #76
          Reply I'm not sure I agree, Talisin (Anonymous), 05-Aug-15 10:11 AM, #77
               Reply Agreed totally, Kstatida, 07-Aug-15 02:58 AM, #80
Reply I'd like to two things with edges. More this or that ch..., KoeKhaos, 04-Aug-15 06:05 AM, #68
Reply I like all of this, incognito, 05-Aug-15 09:42 AM, #75
Reply A few ideas regarding edge reform., Quixotic, 03-Aug-15 09:47 AM, #66
Reply As said before, incognito, 04-Aug-15 01:26 AM, #67
     Reply RE: As said before, Isildur, 05-Aug-15 12:43 AM, #70
          Reply RE: As said before, incognito, 05-Aug-15 01:13 AM, #71
               Reply RE: As said before, Isildur, 05-Aug-15 08:29 AM, #73
Reply I don't think I'd like this, Swordsosaurus, 02-Aug-15 12:56 AM, #65
Reply I also niminate the Slaver edge, laxman, 23-Jul-15 12:29 PM, #61
Reply My two cents on slaver., Tac, 24-Jul-15 10:43 AM, #63
Reply A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts, Calion, 21-Jul-15 06:01 PM, #50
Reply RE: A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 07:08 PM, #51
     Reply obs/exp grind is demented, KaguMaru, 21-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #52
          Reply RE: obs/exp grind is demented, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 10:24 PM, #53
               Reply RE: obs/exp grind is demented, Isildur, 22-Jul-15 12:52 AM, #54
Reply Bewildering Jolt. nt, TMNS, 21-Jul-15 12:39 AM, #42
Reply Your reading comprehension is ####, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 12:59 AM, #43
     Reply +1 nt, Artificial, 21-Jul-15 01:12 AM, #44
     Reply 3 Things..., TMNS, 21-Jul-15 01:56 AM, #45
          Reply When I did my lowbie tranny, Artificial, 21-Jul-15 07:43 AM, #47
               Reply What Race?, Sarien, 21-Jul-15 01:22 PM, #49
                    Reply half-drow.nt, Artificial, 22-Jul-15 01:54 PM, #56
Reply RE: Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges, Jarmel, 20-Jul-15 08:32 PM, #41
Reply Twitchy., Isildur, 20-Jul-15 04:21 PM, #37
Reply I only ever took it once, and I wouldn't take it again., Murphy, 21-Jul-15 03:04 AM, #46
Reply Paladin & Invoker edges., Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 11:20 AM, #34
Reply Invoker, Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 05:48 PM, #39
Reply Paladin, Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 06:09 PM, #40
Reply That's interesting , TJHuron, 20-Jul-15 10:49 AM, #32
Reply Sacred word, Calion, 20-Jul-15 10:38 AM, #31
Reply Oh and to keep Sacred word as an edge, Calion, 12-Aug-15 12:01 PM, #85
Reply Additional Thoughts, Polmier (Anonymous), 20-Jul-15 10:35 AM, #30
Reply Roll racial edges in as racial traits?, Sarien, 20-Jul-15 07:35 AM, #22
Reply Not sure I like this., Sarien, 20-Jul-15 06:46 AM, #20
Reply Just pick a lane already. n/t, Lhydia, 20-Jul-15 06:31 AM, #18
Reply That wasn't very productive., Lhydia, 20-Jul-15 09:15 AM, #27
     Reply RE: That wasn't very productive., Umiron, 20-Jul-15 09:26 AM, #28
          Reply What about making cabal edges choosable based on cabal ..., Lhydia, 24-Jul-15 04:11 PM, #64
Reply Please leave everything as it is., Murphy, 20-Jul-15 12:48 AM, #15
Reply Just a few off the top of my head, Torak, 20-Jul-15 12:40 AM, #12
Reply Yours too. nt, TMNS, 20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #14
Reply I don't put steal sight high on my list anymore, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 04:10 AM, #16
Reply It's fairly cheap, Torak, 20-Jul-15 09:34 AM, #29
     Reply Not convinced, incognito, 20-Jul-15 12:54 PM, #35
          Reply Yup, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 04:44 PM, #38
Reply IMHO Steal sight is a good example of..., Calion, 20-Jul-15 10:56 AM, #33
     Reply It's really got nothing on cure blindness, KaguMaru, 21-Jul-15 08:12 AM, #48
     Reply It really isn't, incognito, 22-Jul-15 10:52 AM, #55
Reply My list (did this quickly), Artificial, 19-Jul-15 11:38 PM, #10
Reply Your reading comprehension is ####. nt, TMNS, 20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #13
Reply It was previously mentioned the desert folk needed some..., Bedouin (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 10:20 PM, #9
Reply Roll the Bones, Spin the Wheel, Bemused, 19-Jul-15 09:11 PM, #7
Reply Slaver, Polmier (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #6
Reply RE: Slaver, Jhyrbian, 19-Jul-15 09:18 PM, #8
Reply Nope, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 06:43 AM, #19
Reply This isn't true..., Tac, 24-Jul-15 10:26 AM, #62
Reply Nargash and Azhag didn't have it, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 06:17 AM, #17
Reply Smoke and mirrors, Mort, 19-Jul-15 07:43 PM, #5
Reply I'd argue, incognito, 20-Jul-15 12:59 PM, #36
Reply I don't think that's a great solution , incognito, 19-Jul-15 05:21 PM, #2
Reply RE: I don't think that's a great solution , Umiron, 19-Jul-15 05:39 PM, #3
     Reply Can I suggest, incognito, 19-Jul-15 11:47 PM, #11
     Reply don't like this either., Sarien, 20-Jul-15 07:33 AM, #21
          Reply RE: don't like this either., Isildur, 20-Jul-15 08:51 AM, #25
               Reply Also - multikilling, Sarien, 20-Jul-15 09:02 AM, #26
               Reply What about edge points for longevity?, The_Shark, 22-Jul-15 02:31 PM, #57
                    Reply This has been brought up before - People would just idl..., Sarien, 23-Jul-15 07:34 AM, #58
                         Reply RE: This has been brought up before - People would just..., Isildur, 23-Jul-15 08:31 AM, #59
                              Reply I seriously doubt it would be a problem, Calion, 23-Jul-15 09:13 AM, #60
     Reply RE: I don't think that's a great solution , Isildur, 20-Jul-15 08:35 AM, #24
Reply Perfect Pitch is the most obvious, Talisin (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 05:16 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Perfect Pitch is the most obvious, Jarmel, 19-Jul-15 06:32 PM, #4
          Reply wrong on a few accounts, silat, 20-Jul-15 08:04 AM, #23
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