Calion | Tue 21-Jul-15 06:01 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#60202, "A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts"
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I think that some edge cost repricing/rebalancing is required, but is there really any glaringly underpowered class or race for which incorporating any of the generally picked "must-have" edges would be justified? The "must-haves" tend to be edges that make an already good and useful ability even better, so incorporating them for everyone seems not only unnecessary but probably unbalancing too. However, I guess there are a number of minor edges which could likely be factored in without creating further problems (Sacred Word comes to mind).
Many edges have been added for key abilities to improve them, for abilities that are going to be used anyway, edge or not (e.g. Steal Sight & Psyche Crush). I think this is perhaps the major reason why certain edges are picked by everyone eligible. Also now with less edge points available the choices gravitate even more towards the "mandatory" ones. People of course want to choose the edges that will generally be the most helpful to their character (though e.g. their enemy range might cause some variation and have them pick another instead of the "obvious" one).
IMHO the focus on edges should rather be improving the various less-used/niche skills and/or race/class combos, making them more viable options (e.g. the elf/delf/svirf special shifter forms) and thus creating more diverse edge choices among the players.
All that said, I think you're kind of focusing on the wrong thing here. It seems that according to general opinion the issue with edges is edge point acquisition (i.e. the repetitive exp/obs grind, but I won't rehash that here). People seem happy with edges themselves and the choices available, even if currently the choices may be very concentrated. Also to have more diversity with the more popular/powerful edges, I think rather than trying to incorporate them into existing skills/classes/races, a more viable course would be to create alternatives of similar level, so that there's a real choice (due to functionality and cost; also some down-tweaking seems called for).
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Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges
[View all] , Umiron, Sun 19-Jul-15 04:59 PM
Wand edges.,
Kalageadon,
11-Aug-15 05:19 PM, #84
Combat Elementalist,
Malakhi,
11-Aug-15 01:47 PM, #83
Herbal Forage,
trewyn,
10-Aug-15 12:02 PM, #81
That too much power to give away.,
Aereglen,
10-Aug-15 11:45 PM, #82
MOAR EDGES,
TrapperJohn (Anonymous),
06-Aug-15 11:30 AM, #78
This one is nice ~,
Kstatida,
07-Aug-15 02:55 AM, #79
Feign strength/weakness should be toggleable skills, no...,
Relio,
04-Aug-15 06:10 PM, #69
I could just about but into thi,
incognito,
05-Aug-15 01:15 AM, #72
Feign weakness should just be removed,
Kstatida,
05-Aug-15 09:30 AM, #74
Yeah, no, that edge is hardly OP.,
lasentia,
05-Aug-15 09:58 AM, #76
I'm not sure I agree,
Talisin (Anonymous),
05-Aug-15 10:11 AM, #77
Agreed totally,
Kstatida,
07-Aug-15 02:58 AM, #80
I'd like to two things with edges. More this or that ch...,
KoeKhaos,
04-Aug-15 06:05 AM, #68
I like all of this,
incognito,
05-Aug-15 09:42 AM, #75
A few ideas regarding edge reform.,
Quixotic,
03-Aug-15 09:47 AM, #66
As said before,
incognito,
04-Aug-15 01:26 AM, #67
RE: As said before,
Isildur,
05-Aug-15 12:43 AM, #70
RE: As said before,
incognito,
05-Aug-15 01:13 AM, #71
RE: As said before,
Isildur,
05-Aug-15 08:29 AM, #73
I don't think I'd like this,
Swordsosaurus,
02-Aug-15 12:56 AM, #65
I also niminate the Slaver edge,
laxman,
23-Jul-15 12:29 PM, #61
My two cents on slaver.,
Tac,
24-Jul-15 10:43 AM, #63
A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts,
Calion,
21-Jul-15 06:01 PM #50
RE: A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts,
Bemused,
21-Jul-15 07:08 PM, #51
obs/exp grind is demented,
KaguMaru,
21-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #52
RE: obs/exp grind is demented,
Bemused,
21-Jul-15 10:24 PM, #53
RE: obs/exp grind is demented,
Isildur,
22-Jul-15 12:52 AM, #54
Bewildering Jolt. nt,
TMNS,
21-Jul-15 12:39 AM, #42
Your reading comprehension is ####,
Bemused,
21-Jul-15 12:59 AM, #43
+1 nt,
Artificial,
21-Jul-15 01:12 AM, #44
3 Things...,
TMNS,
21-Jul-15 01:56 AM, #45
When I did my lowbie tranny,
Artificial,
21-Jul-15 07:43 AM, #47
What Race?,
Sarien,
21-Jul-15 01:22 PM, #49
half-drow.nt,
Artificial,
22-Jul-15 01:54 PM, #56
RE: Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges,
Jarmel,
20-Jul-15 08:32 PM, #41
Twitchy.,
Isildur,
20-Jul-15 04:21 PM, #37
I only ever took it once, and I wouldn't take it again.,
Murphy,
21-Jul-15 03:04 AM, #46
Paladin & Invoker edges.,
Perpetual_Noob,
20-Jul-15 11:20 AM, #34
Invoker,
Perpetual_Noob,
20-Jul-15 05:48 PM, #39
Paladin,
Perpetual_Noob,
20-Jul-15 06:09 PM, #40
That's interesting ,
TJHuron,
20-Jul-15 10:49 AM, #32
Sacred word,
Calion,
20-Jul-15 10:38 AM, #31
Oh and to keep Sacred word as an edge,
Calion,
12-Aug-15 12:01 PM, #85
Additional Thoughts,
Polmier (Anonymous),
20-Jul-15 10:35 AM, #30
Roll racial edges in as racial traits?,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 07:35 AM, #22
Not sure I like this.,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 06:46 AM, #20
Just pick a lane already. n/t,
Lhydia,
20-Jul-15 06:31 AM, #18
That wasn't very productive.,
Lhydia,
20-Jul-15 09:15 AM, #27
RE: That wasn't very productive.,
Umiron,
20-Jul-15 09:26 AM, #28
What about making cabal edges choosable based on cabal ...,
Lhydia,
24-Jul-15 04:11 PM, #64
Please leave everything as it is.,
Murphy,
20-Jul-15 12:48 AM, #15
Just a few off the top of my head,
Torak,
20-Jul-15 12:40 AM, #12
Yours too. nt,
TMNS,
20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #14
I don't put steal sight high on my list anymore,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 04:10 AM, #16
It's fairly cheap,
Torak,
20-Jul-15 09:34 AM, #29
Not convinced,
incognito,
20-Jul-15 12:54 PM, #35
Yup,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 04:44 PM, #38
IMHO Steal sight is a good example of...,
Calion,
20-Jul-15 10:56 AM, #33
It's really got nothing on cure blindness,
KaguMaru,
21-Jul-15 08:12 AM, #48
It really isn't,
incognito,
22-Jul-15 10:52 AM, #55
My list (did this quickly),
Artificial,
19-Jul-15 11:38 PM, #10
Your reading comprehension is ####. nt,
TMNS,
20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #13
It was previously mentioned the desert folk needed some...,
Bedouin (Anonymous),
19-Jul-15 10:20 PM, #9
Roll the Bones, Spin the Wheel,
Bemused,
19-Jul-15 09:11 PM, #7
Slaver,
Polmier (Anonymous),
19-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #6
RE: Slaver,
Jhyrbian,
19-Jul-15 09:18 PM, #8
Nope,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 06:43 AM, #19
This isn't true...,
Tac,
24-Jul-15 10:26 AM, #62
Nargash and Azhag didn't have it,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 06:17 AM, #17
Smoke and mirrors,
Mort,
19-Jul-15 07:43 PM, #5
I'd argue,
incognito,
20-Jul-15 12:59 PM, #36
I don't think that's a great solution ,
incognito,
19-Jul-15 05:21 PM, #2
RE: I don't think that's a great solution ,
Umiron,
19-Jul-15 05:39 PM, #3
Can I suggest,
incognito,
19-Jul-15 11:47 PM, #11
don't like this either.,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 07:33 AM, #21
RE: don't like this either.,
Isildur,
20-Jul-15 08:51 AM, #25
Also - multikilling,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 09:02 AM, #26
What about edge points for longevity?,
The_Shark,
22-Jul-15 02:31 PM, #57
This has been brought up before - People would just idl...,
Sarien,
23-Jul-15 07:34 AM, #58
RE: This has been brought up before - People would just...,
Isildur,
23-Jul-15 08:31 AM, #59
I seriously doubt it would be a problem,
Calion,
23-Jul-15 09:13 AM, #60
RE: I don't think that's a great solution ,
Isildur,
20-Jul-15 08:35 AM, #24
Perfect Pitch is the most obvious,
Talisin (Anonymous),
19-Jul-15 05:16 PM, #1
RE: Perfect Pitch is the most obvious,
Jarmel,
19-Jul-15 06:32 PM, #4
wrong on a few accounts,
silat,
20-Jul-15 08:04 AM, #23
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