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CalionTue 21-Jul-15 06:01 PM
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#60202, "A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts"


          

I think that some edge cost repricing/rebalancing is required, but is there really any glaringly underpowered class or race for which incorporating any of the generally picked "must-have" edges would be justified? The "must-haves" tend to be edges that make an already good and useful ability even better, so incorporating them for everyone seems not only unnecessary but probably unbalancing too. However, I guess there are a number of minor edges which could likely be factored in without creating further problems (Sacred Word comes to mind).

Many edges have been added for key abilities to improve them, for abilities that are going to be used anyway, edge or not (e.g. Steal Sight & Psyche Crush). I think this is perhaps the major reason why certain edges are picked by everyone eligible. Also now with less edge points available the choices gravitate even more towards the "mandatory" ones. People of course want to choose the edges that will generally be the most helpful to their character (though e.g. their enemy range might cause some variation and have them pick another instead of the "obvious" one).

IMHO the focus on edges should rather be improving the various less-used/niche skills and/or race/class combos, making them more viable options (e.g. the elf/delf/svirf special shifter forms) and thus creating more diverse edge choices among the players.

All that said, I think you're kind of focusing on the wrong thing here. It seems that according to general opinion the issue with edges is edge point acquisition (i.e. the repetitive exp/obs grind, but I won't rehash that here). People seem happy with edges themselves and the choices available, even if currently the choices may be very concentrated. Also to have more diversity with the more popular/powerful edges, I think rather than trying to incorporate them into existing skills/classes/races, a more viable course would be to create alternatives of similar level, so that there's a real choice (due to functionality and cost; also some down-tweaking seems called for).

  

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HOT TopicThought Experiment: Incorporating Edges [View all] , Umiron, Sun 19-Jul-15 04:59 PM
Reply Wand edges., Kalageadon, 11-Aug-15 05:19 PM, #84
Reply Combat Elementalist, Malakhi, 11-Aug-15 01:47 PM, #83
Reply Herbal Forage, trewyn, 10-Aug-15 12:02 PM, #81
Reply That too much power to give away., Aereglen, 10-Aug-15 11:45 PM, #82
Reply MOAR EDGES, TrapperJohn (Anonymous), 06-Aug-15 11:30 AM, #78
Reply This one is nice ~, Kstatida, 07-Aug-15 02:55 AM, #79
Reply Feign strength/weakness should be toggleable skills, no..., Relio, 04-Aug-15 06:10 PM, #69
Reply I could just about but into thi, incognito, 05-Aug-15 01:15 AM, #72
Reply Feign weakness should just be removed, Kstatida, 05-Aug-15 09:30 AM, #74
     Reply Yeah, no, that edge is hardly OP., lasentia, 05-Aug-15 09:58 AM, #76
          Reply I'm not sure I agree, Talisin (Anonymous), 05-Aug-15 10:11 AM, #77
               Reply Agreed totally, Kstatida, 07-Aug-15 02:58 AM, #80
Reply I'd like to two things with edges. More this or that ch..., KoeKhaos, 04-Aug-15 06:05 AM, #68
Reply I like all of this, incognito, 05-Aug-15 09:42 AM, #75
Reply A few ideas regarding edge reform., Quixotic, 03-Aug-15 09:47 AM, #66
Reply As said before, incognito, 04-Aug-15 01:26 AM, #67
     Reply RE: As said before, Isildur, 05-Aug-15 12:43 AM, #70
          Reply RE: As said before, incognito, 05-Aug-15 01:13 AM, #71
               Reply RE: As said before, Isildur, 05-Aug-15 08:29 AM, #73
Reply I don't think I'd like this, Swordsosaurus, 02-Aug-15 12:56 AM, #65
Reply I also niminate the Slaver edge, laxman, 23-Jul-15 12:29 PM, #61
Reply My two cents on slaver., Tac, 24-Jul-15 10:43 AM, #63
Reply A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts, Calion, 21-Jul-15 06:01 PM #50
Reply RE: A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 07:08 PM, #51
     Reply obs/exp grind is demented, KaguMaru, 21-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #52
          Reply RE: obs/exp grind is demented, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 10:24 PM, #53
               Reply RE: obs/exp grind is demented, Isildur, 22-Jul-15 12:52 AM, #54
Reply Bewildering Jolt. nt, TMNS, 21-Jul-15 12:39 AM, #42
Reply Your reading comprehension is ####, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 12:59 AM, #43
     Reply +1 nt, Artificial, 21-Jul-15 01:12 AM, #44
     Reply 3 Things..., TMNS, 21-Jul-15 01:56 AM, #45
          Reply When I did my lowbie tranny, Artificial, 21-Jul-15 07:43 AM, #47
               Reply What Race?, Sarien, 21-Jul-15 01:22 PM, #49
                    Reply half-drow.nt, Artificial, 22-Jul-15 01:54 PM, #56
Reply RE: Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges, Jarmel, 20-Jul-15 08:32 PM, #41
Reply Twitchy., Isildur, 20-Jul-15 04:21 PM, #37
Reply I only ever took it once, and I wouldn't take it again., Murphy, 21-Jul-15 03:04 AM, #46
Reply Paladin & Invoker edges., Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 11:20 AM, #34
Reply Invoker, Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 05:48 PM, #39
Reply Paladin, Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 06:09 PM, #40
Reply That's interesting , TJHuron, 20-Jul-15 10:49 AM, #32
Reply Sacred word, Calion, 20-Jul-15 10:38 AM, #31
Reply Oh and to keep Sacred word as an edge, Calion, 12-Aug-15 12:01 PM, #85
Reply Additional Thoughts, Polmier (Anonymous), 20-Jul-15 10:35 AM, #30
Reply Roll racial edges in as racial traits?, Sarien, 20-Jul-15 07:35 AM, #22
Reply Not sure I like this., Sarien, 20-Jul-15 06:46 AM, #20
Reply Just pick a lane already. n/t, Lhydia, 20-Jul-15 06:31 AM, #18
Reply That wasn't very productive., Lhydia, 20-Jul-15 09:15 AM, #27
     Reply RE: That wasn't very productive., Umiron, 20-Jul-15 09:26 AM, #28
          Reply What about making cabal edges choosable based on cabal ..., Lhydia, 24-Jul-15 04:11 PM, #64
Reply Please leave everything as it is., Murphy, 20-Jul-15 12:48 AM, #15
Reply Just a few off the top of my head, Torak, 20-Jul-15 12:40 AM, #12
Reply Yours too. nt, TMNS, 20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #14
Reply I don't put steal sight high on my list anymore, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 04:10 AM, #16
Reply It's fairly cheap, Torak, 20-Jul-15 09:34 AM, #29
     Reply Not convinced, incognito, 20-Jul-15 12:54 PM, #35
          Reply Yup, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 04:44 PM, #38
Reply IMHO Steal sight is a good example of..., Calion, 20-Jul-15 10:56 AM, #33
     Reply It's really got nothing on cure blindness, KaguMaru, 21-Jul-15 08:12 AM, #48
     Reply It really isn't, incognito, 22-Jul-15 10:52 AM, #55
Reply My list (did this quickly), Artificial, 19-Jul-15 11:38 PM, #10
Reply Your reading comprehension is ####. nt, TMNS, 20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #13
Reply It was previously mentioned the desert folk needed some..., Bedouin (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 10:20 PM, #9
Reply Roll the Bones, Spin the Wheel, Bemused, 19-Jul-15 09:11 PM, #7
Reply Slaver, Polmier (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #6
Reply RE: Slaver, Jhyrbian, 19-Jul-15 09:18 PM, #8
Reply Nope, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 06:43 AM, #19
Reply This isn't true..., Tac, 24-Jul-15 10:26 AM, #62
Reply Nargash and Azhag didn't have it, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 06:17 AM, #17
Reply Smoke and mirrors, Mort, 19-Jul-15 07:43 PM, #5
Reply I'd argue, incognito, 20-Jul-15 12:59 PM, #36
Reply I don't think that's a great solution , incognito, 19-Jul-15 05:21 PM, #2
Reply RE: I don't think that's a great solution , Umiron, 19-Jul-15 05:39 PM, #3
     Reply Can I suggest, incognito, 19-Jul-15 11:47 PM, #11
     Reply don't like this either., Sarien, 20-Jul-15 07:33 AM, #21
          Reply RE: don't like this either., Isildur, 20-Jul-15 08:51 AM, #25
               Reply Also - multikilling, Sarien, 20-Jul-15 09:02 AM, #26
               Reply What about edge points for longevity?, The_Shark, 22-Jul-15 02:31 PM, #57
                    Reply This has been brought up before - People would just idl..., Sarien, 23-Jul-15 07:34 AM, #58
                         Reply RE: This has been brought up before - People would just..., Isildur, 23-Jul-15 08:31 AM, #59
                              Reply I seriously doubt it would be a problem, Calion, 23-Jul-15 09:13 AM, #60
     Reply RE: I don't think that's a great solution , Isildur, 20-Jul-15 08:35 AM, #24
Reply Perfect Pitch is the most obvious, Talisin (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 05:16 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Perfect Pitch is the most obvious, Jarmel, 19-Jul-15 06:32 PM, #4
          Reply wrong on a few accounts, silat, 20-Jul-15 08:04 AM, #23
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