Isildur | Mon 20-Jul-15 08:51 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#60168, "RE: don't like this either."
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>What does Joe PK'r do when his range is nada? he >logs off - right now Joe PK'r can go and explore/enhance his >game during PK downtimes (more frequent than they used to be)
You mean: "He can go grind up some explore / observation xp".
Joe can still explore new areas that he legitimately hasn't been through before without the incentive of edge points for observation / exploration xp. Because he wants gear, preps, area knowledge he can later use for PK, etc.
Initially I was against the "choice" idea as well, but I warmed to it after thinking about it some more. My first reaction was, "This will exacerbate the problem of one-sided characters." But think about it:
If observation / exploration XP actually does motivate PK characters to "explore" (i.e. grind) then that's not actually a "benefit" to the game.
If edge points for PK actually motivated non-PK characters to participate in PK (and have success) then it would be beneficial, but I don't think it does that. The set of characters wishing to "opt out" of PK completely is generally not that good at PK, and generally know it. Ergo they know they won't amass very many wins, meaning the incentive to participate is correspondingly smaller.
My one concern with the "choice" strategy is that it shoe-horns a character for life. Maybe I think I'm going to be all about exploring, then decide mid-way through the characters life that I want to spend more time on PK. Etc.
Also: allowing the choice would necessitate re-balancing the point rewards (for PK and for observation / exploration xp) for certain classes. Consider healer. If healers get the same # of edge points for PK and observation/exploration as every other class, then no healer is ever going to choose the PK path. But if healers got more points-per-PK than, say, warriors, then some probably would.
The rule would need to be: If you take player A who's aces at exploring and is going to spend all his time exploring, and player B who's aces at PK and is going to spend all his time PKing, and both of them play the same class, then they should ultimately acrrue approximately the same # of edge points. You don't want one choice to be "obviously better" than the other one, for a given class, or everybody who plays that class will choose that particular path. ![](http://esme.freeshell.org/cfsig.gif)
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Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges
[View all] , Umiron , Sun 19-Jul-15 04:59 PM
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Wand edges.,
Kalageadon,
11-Aug-15 05:19 PM, #84
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Combat Elementalist,
Malakhi,
11-Aug-15 01:47 PM, #83
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Herbal Forage,
trewyn,
10-Aug-15 12:02 PM, #81
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That too much power to give away.,
Aereglen,
10-Aug-15 11:45 PM, #82
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) MOAR EDGES,
TrapperJohn (Anonymous),
06-Aug-15 11:30 AM, #78
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This one is nice ~,
Kstatida,
07-Aug-15 02:55 AM, #79
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Feign strength/weakness should be toggleable skills, no...,
Relio,
04-Aug-15 06:10 PM, #69
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I could just about but into thi,
incognito,
05-Aug-15 01:15 AM, #72
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Feign weakness should just be removed,
Kstatida,
05-Aug-15 09:30 AM, #74
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yeah, no, that edge is hardly OP.,
lasentia,
05-Aug-15 09:58 AM, #76
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm not sure I agree,
Talisin (Anonymous),
05-Aug-15 10:11 AM, #77
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Agreed totally,
Kstatida,
07-Aug-15 02:58 AM, #80
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I'd like to two things with edges. More this or that ch...,
KoeKhaos,
04-Aug-15 06:05 AM, #68
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I like all of this,
incognito,
05-Aug-15 09:42 AM, #75
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) A few ideas regarding edge reform.,
Quixotic,
03-Aug-15 09:47 AM, #66
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) As said before,
incognito,
04-Aug-15 01:26 AM, #67
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: As said before,
Isildur,
05-Aug-15 12:43 AM, #70
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: As said before,
incognito,
05-Aug-15 01:13 AM, #71
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: As said before,
Isildur,
05-Aug-15 08:29 AM, #73
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I don't think I'd like this,
Swordsosaurus,
02-Aug-15 12:56 AM, #65
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I also niminate the Slaver edge,
laxman,
23-Jul-15 12:29 PM, #61
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) My two cents on slaver.,
Tac,
24-Jul-15 10:43 AM, #63
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts,
Calion,
21-Jul-15 06:01 PM, #50
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts,
Bemused,
21-Jul-15 07:08 PM, #51
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) obs/exp grind is demented,
KaguMaru,
21-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #52
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: obs/exp grind is demented,
Bemused,
21-Jul-15 10:24 PM, #53
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: obs/exp grind is demented,
Isildur,
22-Jul-15 12:52 AM, #54
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Bewildering Jolt. nt,
TMNS,
21-Jul-15 12:39 AM, #42
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Your reading comprehension is ####,
Bemused,
21-Jul-15 12:59 AM, #43
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) +1 nt,
Artificial,
21-Jul-15 01:12 AM, #44
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) 3 Things...,
TMNS,
21-Jul-15 01:56 AM, #45
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) When I did my lowbie tranny,
Artificial,
21-Jul-15 07:43 AM, #47
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What Race?,
Sarien,
21-Jul-15 01:22 PM, #49
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) half-drow.nt,
Artificial,
22-Jul-15 01:54 PM, #56
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges,
Jarmel,
20-Jul-15 08:32 PM, #41
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Twitchy.,
Isildur,
20-Jul-15 04:21 PM, #37
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I only ever took it once, and I wouldn't take it again.,
Murphy,
21-Jul-15 03:04 AM, #46
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Paladin & Invoker edges.,
Perpetual_Noob,
20-Jul-15 11:20 AM, #34
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Invoker,
Perpetual_Noob,
20-Jul-15 05:48 PM, #39
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Paladin,
Perpetual_Noob,
20-Jul-15 06:09 PM, #40
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) That's interesting ,
TJHuron,
20-Jul-15 10:49 AM, #32
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Sacred word,
Calion,
20-Jul-15 10:38 AM, #31
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Oh and to keep Sacred word as an edge,
Calion,
12-Aug-15 12:01 PM, #85
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Additional Thoughts,
Polmier (Anonymous),
20-Jul-15 10:35 AM, #30
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Roll racial edges in as racial traits?,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 07:35 AM, #22
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Not sure I like this.,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 06:46 AM, #20
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Just pick a lane already. n/t,
Lhydia,
20-Jul-15 06:31 AM, #18
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That wasn't very productive.,
Lhydia,
20-Jul-15 09:15 AM, #27
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: That wasn't very productive.,
Umiron ,
20-Jul-15 09:26 AM, #28
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What about making cabal edges choosable based on cabal ...,
Lhydia,
24-Jul-15 04:11 PM, #64
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Please leave everything as it is.,
Murphy,
20-Jul-15 12:48 AM, #15
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Just a few off the top of my head,
Torak,
20-Jul-15 12:40 AM, #12
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Yours too. nt,
TMNS,
20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #14
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I don't put steal sight high on my list anymore,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 04:10 AM, #16
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It's fairly cheap,
Torak,
20-Jul-15 09:34 AM, #29
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Not convinced,
incognito,
20-Jul-15 12:54 PM, #35
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yup,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 04:44 PM, #38
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) IMHO Steal sight is a good example of...,
Calion,
20-Jul-15 10:56 AM, #33
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) It's really got nothing on cure blindness,
KaguMaru,
21-Jul-15 08:12 AM, #48
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It really isn't,
incognito,
22-Jul-15 10:52 AM, #55
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) My list (did this quickly),
Artificial,
19-Jul-15 11:38 PM, #10
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Your reading comprehension is ####. nt,
TMNS,
20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #13
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) It was previously mentioned the desert folk needed some...,
Bedouin (Anonymous),
19-Jul-15 10:20 PM, #9
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Roll the Bones, Spin the Wheel,
Bemused,
19-Jul-15 09:11 PM, #7
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Slaver,
Polmier (Anonymous),
19-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #6
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Slaver,
Jhyrbian,
19-Jul-15 09:18 PM, #8
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Nope,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 06:43 AM, #19
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This isn't true...,
Tac,
24-Jul-15 10:26 AM, #62
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Nargash and Azhag didn't have it,
KaguMaru,
20-Jul-15 06:17 AM, #17
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Smoke and mirrors,
Mort,
19-Jul-15 07:43 PM, #5
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'd argue,
incognito,
20-Jul-15 12:59 PM, #36
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I don't think that's a great solution ,
incognito,
19-Jul-15 05:21 PM, #2
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I don't think that's a great solution ,
Umiron ,
19-Jul-15 05:39 PM, #3
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Can I suggest,
incognito,
19-Jul-15 11:47 PM, #11
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) don't like this either.,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 07:33 AM, #21
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: don't like this either.,
Isildur,
20-Jul-15 08:51 AM #25
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Also - multikilling,
Sarien,
20-Jul-15 09:02 AM, #26
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What about edge points for longevity?,
The_Shark,
22-Jul-15 02:31 PM, #57
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This has been brought up before - People would just idl...,
Sarien,
23-Jul-15 07:34 AM, #58
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: This has been brought up before - People would just...,
Isildur,
23-Jul-15 08:31 AM, #59
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I seriously doubt it would be a problem,
Calion,
23-Jul-15 09:13 AM, #60
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I don't think that's a great solution ,
Isildur,
20-Jul-15 08:35 AM, #24
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Perfect Pitch is the most obvious,
Talisin (Anonymous),
19-Jul-15 05:16 PM, #1
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Perfect Pitch is the most obvious,
Jarmel,
19-Jul-15 06:32 PM, #4
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) wrong on a few accounts,
silat,
20-Jul-15 08:04 AM, #23
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