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IsildurMon 20-Jul-15 08:51 AM
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#60168, "RE: don't like this either."


          

>What does Joe PK'r do when his range is nada? he
>logs off - right now Joe PK'r can go and explore/enhance his
>game during PK downtimes (more frequent than they used to be)

You mean: "He can go grind up some explore / observation xp".

Joe can still explore new areas that he legitimately hasn't been through before without the incentive of edge points for observation / exploration xp. Because he wants gear, preps, area knowledge he can later use for PK, etc.

Initially I was against the "choice" idea as well, but I warmed to it after thinking about it some more. My first reaction was, "This will exacerbate the problem of one-sided characters." But think about it:

If observation / exploration XP actually does motivate PK characters to "explore" (i.e. grind) then that's not actually a "benefit" to the game.

If edge points for PK actually motivated non-PK characters to participate in PK (and have success) then it would be beneficial, but I don't think it does that. The set of characters wishing to "opt out" of PK completely is generally not that good at PK, and generally know it. Ergo they know they won't amass very many wins, meaning the incentive to participate is correspondingly smaller.

My one concern with the "choice" strategy is that it shoe-horns a character for life. Maybe I think I'm going to be all about exploring, then decide mid-way through the characters life that I want to spend more time on PK. Etc.

Also: allowing the choice would necessitate re-balancing the point rewards (for PK and for observation / exploration xp) for certain classes. Consider healer. If healers get the same # of edge points for PK and observation/exploration as every other class, then no healer is ever going to choose the PK path. But if healers got more points-per-PK than, say, warriors, then some probably would.

The rule would need to be: If you take player A who's aces at exploring and is going to spend all his time exploring, and player B who's aces at PK and is going to spend all his time PKing, and both of them play the same class, then they should ultimately acrrue approximately the same # of edge points. You don't want one choice to be "obviously better" than the other one, for a given class, or everybody who plays that class will choose that particular path.

  

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HOT TopicThought Experiment: Incorporating Edges [View all] , Umiron, Sun 19-Jul-15 04:59 PM
Reply Wand edges., Kalageadon, 11-Aug-15 05:19 PM, #84
Reply Combat Elementalist, Malakhi, 11-Aug-15 01:47 PM, #83
Reply Herbal Forage, trewyn, 10-Aug-15 12:02 PM, #81
Reply That too much power to give away., Aereglen, 10-Aug-15 11:45 PM, #82
Reply MOAR EDGES, TrapperJohn (Anonymous), 06-Aug-15 11:30 AM, #78
Reply This one is nice ~, Kstatida, 07-Aug-15 02:55 AM, #79
Reply Feign strength/weakness should be toggleable skills, no..., Relio, 04-Aug-15 06:10 PM, #69
Reply I could just about but into thi, incognito, 05-Aug-15 01:15 AM, #72
Reply Feign weakness should just be removed, Kstatida, 05-Aug-15 09:30 AM, #74
     Reply Yeah, no, that edge is hardly OP., lasentia, 05-Aug-15 09:58 AM, #76
          Reply I'm not sure I agree, Talisin (Anonymous), 05-Aug-15 10:11 AM, #77
               Reply Agreed totally, Kstatida, 07-Aug-15 02:58 AM, #80
Reply I'd like to two things with edges. More this or that ch..., KoeKhaos, 04-Aug-15 06:05 AM, #68
Reply I like all of this, incognito, 05-Aug-15 09:42 AM, #75
Reply A few ideas regarding edge reform., Quixotic, 03-Aug-15 09:47 AM, #66
Reply As said before, incognito, 04-Aug-15 01:26 AM, #67
     Reply RE: As said before, Isildur, 05-Aug-15 12:43 AM, #70
          Reply RE: As said before, incognito, 05-Aug-15 01:13 AM, #71
               Reply RE: As said before, Isildur, 05-Aug-15 08:29 AM, #73
Reply I don't think I'd like this, Swordsosaurus, 02-Aug-15 12:56 AM, #65
Reply I also niminate the Slaver edge, laxman, 23-Jul-15 12:29 PM, #61
Reply My two cents on slaver., Tac, 24-Jul-15 10:43 AM, #63
Reply A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts, Calion, 21-Jul-15 06:01 PM, #50
Reply RE: A couple of (insomnia induced) thoughts, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 07:08 PM, #51
     Reply obs/exp grind is demented, KaguMaru, 21-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #52
          Reply RE: obs/exp grind is demented, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 10:24 PM, #53
               Reply RE: obs/exp grind is demented, Isildur, 22-Jul-15 12:52 AM, #54
Reply Bewildering Jolt. nt, TMNS, 21-Jul-15 12:39 AM, #42
Reply Your reading comprehension is ####, Bemused, 21-Jul-15 12:59 AM, #43
     Reply +1 nt, Artificial, 21-Jul-15 01:12 AM, #44
     Reply 3 Things..., TMNS, 21-Jul-15 01:56 AM, #45
          Reply When I did my lowbie tranny, Artificial, 21-Jul-15 07:43 AM, #47
               Reply What Race?, Sarien, 21-Jul-15 01:22 PM, #49
                    Reply half-drow.nt, Artificial, 22-Jul-15 01:54 PM, #56
Reply RE: Thought Experiment: Incorporating Edges, Jarmel, 20-Jul-15 08:32 PM, #41
Reply Twitchy., Isildur, 20-Jul-15 04:21 PM, #37
Reply I only ever took it once, and I wouldn't take it again., Murphy, 21-Jul-15 03:04 AM, #46
Reply Paladin & Invoker edges., Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 11:20 AM, #34
Reply Invoker, Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 05:48 PM, #39
Reply Paladin, Perpetual_Noob, 20-Jul-15 06:09 PM, #40
Reply That's interesting , TJHuron, 20-Jul-15 10:49 AM, #32
Reply Sacred word, Calion, 20-Jul-15 10:38 AM, #31
Reply Oh and to keep Sacred word as an edge, Calion, 12-Aug-15 12:01 PM, #85
Reply Additional Thoughts, Polmier (Anonymous), 20-Jul-15 10:35 AM, #30
Reply Roll racial edges in as racial traits?, Sarien, 20-Jul-15 07:35 AM, #22
Reply Not sure I like this., Sarien, 20-Jul-15 06:46 AM, #20
Reply Just pick a lane already. n/t, Lhydia, 20-Jul-15 06:31 AM, #18
Reply That wasn't very productive., Lhydia, 20-Jul-15 09:15 AM, #27
     Reply RE: That wasn't very productive., Umiron, 20-Jul-15 09:26 AM, #28
          Reply What about making cabal edges choosable based on cabal ..., Lhydia, 24-Jul-15 04:11 PM, #64
Reply Please leave everything as it is., Murphy, 20-Jul-15 12:48 AM, #15
Reply Just a few off the top of my head, Torak, 20-Jul-15 12:40 AM, #12
Reply Yours too. nt, TMNS, 20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #14
Reply I don't put steal sight high on my list anymore, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 04:10 AM, #16
Reply It's fairly cheap, Torak, 20-Jul-15 09:34 AM, #29
     Reply Not convinced, incognito, 20-Jul-15 12:54 PM, #35
          Reply Yup, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 04:44 PM, #38
Reply IMHO Steal sight is a good example of..., Calion, 20-Jul-15 10:56 AM, #33
     Reply It's really got nothing on cure blindness, KaguMaru, 21-Jul-15 08:12 AM, #48
     Reply It really isn't, incognito, 22-Jul-15 10:52 AM, #55
Reply My list (did this quickly), Artificial, 19-Jul-15 11:38 PM, #10
Reply Your reading comprehension is ####. nt, TMNS, 20-Jul-15 12:47 AM, #13
Reply It was previously mentioned the desert folk needed some..., Bedouin (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 10:20 PM, #9
Reply Roll the Bones, Spin the Wheel, Bemused, 19-Jul-15 09:11 PM, #7
Reply Slaver, Polmier (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 08:00 PM, #6
Reply RE: Slaver, Jhyrbian, 19-Jul-15 09:18 PM, #8
Reply Nope, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 06:43 AM, #19
Reply This isn't true..., Tac, 24-Jul-15 10:26 AM, #62
Reply Nargash and Azhag didn't have it, KaguMaru, 20-Jul-15 06:17 AM, #17
Reply Smoke and mirrors, Mort, 19-Jul-15 07:43 PM, #5
Reply I'd argue, incognito, 20-Jul-15 12:59 PM, #36
Reply I don't think that's a great solution , incognito, 19-Jul-15 05:21 PM, #2
Reply RE: I don't think that's a great solution , Umiron, 19-Jul-15 05:39 PM, #3
     Reply Can I suggest, incognito, 19-Jul-15 11:47 PM, #11
     Reply don't like this either., Sarien, 20-Jul-15 07:33 AM, #21
          Reply RE: don't like this either., Isildur, 20-Jul-15 08:51 AM #25
               Reply Also - multikilling, Sarien, 20-Jul-15 09:02 AM, #26
               Reply What about edge points for longevity?, The_Shark, 22-Jul-15 02:31 PM, #57
                    Reply This has been brought up before - People would just idl..., Sarien, 23-Jul-15 07:34 AM, #58
                         Reply RE: This has been brought up before - People would just..., Isildur, 23-Jul-15 08:31 AM, #59
                              Reply I seriously doubt it would be a problem, Calion, 23-Jul-15 09:13 AM, #60
     Reply RE: I don't think that's a great solution , Isildur, 20-Jul-15 08:35 AM, #24
Reply Perfect Pitch is the most obvious, Talisin (Anonymous), 19-Jul-15 05:16 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Perfect Pitch is the most obvious, Jarmel, 19-Jul-15 06:32 PM, #4
          Reply wrong on a few accounts, silat, 20-Jul-15 08:04 AM, #23
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