> Once you get to hero, who's really permalagging? Transmuters maybe, certain ranger builds, Greeting giants, but it's not very common.

You've hit the big ones. But almost every class has moves that lag for 2 rounds. This means that a combination of just about any 2 characters can permalag any single. Bash was used as an example in this thread, but it applies to all lag moves that all the classes have. Bash is a fairly weak form of lag considering there are higher damage moves that give two round lag.

In designing these moves I believe that no consideration was given to the difference between flee denial and command denial. The reason is that bash had lag and this style of lag (the code) is what was moved to new spells/skills. It was simple and it worked. It wasn't used because it was the best or a perfect fit. Flee denial and command denial came later but noone has given serious consideration to relationship of these two separate affects and classic mud lag.

> All in all, I think that there are things that would serve the playerbase much better in terms of funstick than changing up a lag system that, while not perfect, is far from being broken.

I'm with you. I like throwing out ideas, trying to shoot it full of holes, and seeing what sticks all in hopes of contributing to making the game better. What are you thinking needs to be done.