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ScrimbulWed 09-Jan-08 01:06 PM
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#20228, "If we're going to be overdramatic just like the players..."


  

          

>They might delete their characters, but would probably roll up
>something again. I'd be out for good.

You'd be out of shapeshifters for good, yes. There would be other classes to roll.

If you're saying no other class has this element of randomness for you, I happily point you to a properly labelled dartboard and a blindfold for the warrior, thief, ranger classes and invoker affinities.

I personally don't touch this class partly because of a lack of versatility and the randomness factor only makes one giddy once or twice.

After that it's '500tnl. Watch my form suck ass. Aaaayep.' or even better, 'I didn't get a form the last two levels. 500 tnl. Watch my form suck. Aaaaayep.'

So I can see why Dwoggurd can make a strong argument for the randomness to go away, and Magus is making an ass of himself again by demanding to know why his point-of-view hasn't been implemented immediately because it's the 'most logical' one.

But I also fail to understand why they both are demanding the re-pick edge AND a full shifter customization system prior to seeing how the shapeshifter balancing shakes out. (Quite possibly they are pressing their arguments this hard due to the randomness of the class would make balancing this take even longer quite possibly in the realm of years.)

I understand the 'pickers' argument far better than the 'gamblers' argument, and very seriously doubt the gamblers have as much to lose on this as you claim Qaledus. My opinion sides with the pickers even if they are being unfairly self-entitled about the arguments for it from a lack of patience.




  

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HOT TopicLet shifters choose their forms [View all] , Dwoggurd, Mon 07-Jan-08 03:37 AM
Reply RE: Let shifters choose their forms, lumikant, 14-Jan-08 03:41 AM, #67
Reply RE: Let shifters choose their forms, Qaledus, 14-Jan-08 09:51 AM, #68
     Reply I think thats the first time an idea i've had wasn't sh..., lumikant, 14-Jan-08 04:43 PM, #69
Reply Randomness is good., Lightmage, 09-Jan-08 07:07 PM, #60
Reply Re: Quest Forms, Zulghinlour, 09-Jan-08 07:25 PM, #61
     Reply Put another rock in my crack pipe while you are at it....., Lightmage, 09-Jan-08 08:36 PM, #62
          Reply I shudder to think of the displacer now. nt, GinGa, 10-Jan-08 04:21 AM, #63
          Reply Too many rocks as is! Elemek dude, ELEMEK! *roll*, Abernyte, 10-Jan-08 04:34 AM, #64
Reply My biases against shapeshifters and their revamp, Quixotic, 09-Jan-08 05:42 PM, #58
Reply How about a compromise?, Mekantos, 09-Jan-08 05:35 PM, #57
Reply I'll add a little info about my own shifter thoughts an..., Mekantos, 09-Jan-08 05:50 PM, #59
Reply My take..., TheProphet, 09-Jan-08 09:56 AM, #41
Reply Minor correction, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 10:37 AM, #42
     Reply I don't think it's a problem. That's the difference., TheProphet, 09-Jan-08 11:09 AM, #44
          Reply Powergaming and stuff, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 11:14 AM, #45
               Reply RE: Powergaming and stuff, Daevryn, 09-Jan-08 11:28 AM, #46
               Reply Exactly, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 12:19 PM, #49
               Reply Addiction, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 12:58 PM, #50
               Reply RE: Powergaming and stuff, TheProphet, 09-Jan-08 11:47 AM, #47
                    Reply RE: Powergaming and stuff, Daevryn, 09-Jan-08 12:03 PM, #48
Reply RE: My thoughts on random forms..., Tac, 08-Jan-08 02:26 PM, #6
Reply Agree with everything you said, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 03:06 PM, #7
     Reply RE: Agree with everything you said, Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 03:10 PM, #8
     Reply Always 5 steps behind you in this game..., Dragomir, 08-Jan-08 03:17 PM, #10
     Reply The problem with this is..., _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 05:25 PM, #15
     Reply I believe Zulg said that option would not happen until...., Dragomir, 08-Jan-08 03:15 PM, #9
          Reply RE: I believe Zulg said that option would not happen un..., Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 03:20 PM, #12
               Reply I re-suggest it as a cheap shifter edge or every man's ..., DurNominator, 08-Jan-08 04:41 PM, #13
                    Reply RE: I re-suggest it as a cheap shifter edge or every ma..., Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 04:55 PM, #14
                         Reply RE: I re-suggest it as a cheap shifter edge or every ma..., DurNominator, 08-Jan-08 06:46 PM, #20
Reply RE: Let shifters choose their forms, Daevryn, 07-Jan-08 10:18 AM, #1
     Reply Hmm, Dwoggurd, 07-Jan-08 12:27 PM, #2
          Reply I personally have no interest in this..., Zulghinlour, 07-Jan-08 01:49 PM, #3
          Reply You know what, though?, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 03:11 AM, #4
               Reply RE: You know what, though?, Zulghinlour, 08-Jan-08 12:30 PM, #5
          Reply RE: Hmm, Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 03:18 PM, #11
               Reply RE: Hmm, Tac, 08-Jan-08 05:26 PM, #16
               Reply Well said. Agree 100%. ~, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 05:49 PM, #17
               Reply Damnit, stop that :P You aren't helping nt, Tac, 08-Jan-08 06:31 PM, #18
               Reply RE: Hmm, Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 08:16 PM, #21
                    Reply So every warrior and thief is a "winner." Gotcha. ~, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 08:49 PM, #24
                         Reply I give., Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 09:20 PM, #25
                              Reply You know what I think the real problem is?, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 09:31 PM, #26
                                   Reply I call ####, Zulghinlour, 08-Jan-08 11:22 PM, #27
                                   Reply RE: I call ####, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 11:37 PM, #30
                                        Reply RE: I call ####, Zulghinlour, 09-Jan-08 12:37 AM, #32
                                   Reply RE: You know what I think the real problem is?, Qaledus, 08-Jan-08 11:23 PM, #29
                                        Reply But, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 03:57 AM, #38
                                        Reply RE: But, Qaledus, 09-Jan-08 09:30 AM, #40
                                             Reply If we're going to be overdramatic just like the players..., Scrimbul, 09-Jan-08 01:06 PM #51
                                                  Reply RE: If we're going to be overdramatic just like the pla..., Daevryn, 09-Jan-08 02:13 PM, #53
                                                  Reply RE: If we're going to be overdramatic just like the pla..., _Magus_, 09-Jan-08 02:22 PM, #55
                                                  Reply Let's be fair, ORB, 09-Jan-08 04:17 PM, #56
                                                  Reply RE: If we're going to be overdramatic just like the pla..., _Magus_, 09-Jan-08 02:19 PM, #54
                                        Reply RE: You know what I think the real problem is?, Elerosse, 09-Jan-08 01:13 PM, #52
                                        Reply This post is exactly how I feel too., napoleon, 11-Jan-08 06:55 PM, #65
               Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 08-Jan-08 06:32 PM, #19
                    Reply RE: Re, Daevryn, 08-Jan-08 08:17 PM, #22
                         Reply I'm not so sure..., _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 08:48 PM, #23
                              Reply I can make up statistics too (n/t), Zulghinlour, 08-Jan-08 11:23 PM, #28
                                   Reply How made up is this?, _Magus_, 08-Jan-08 11:43 PM, #31
                                        Reply Less so than the "guesstimates" you tossed out, Zulghinlour, 09-Jan-08 12:38 AM, #33
                                             Reply Heh, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 01:07 AM, #34
                                                  Reply RE: Heh, Daevryn, 09-Jan-08 01:35 AM, #35
                                                       Reply Oh, and I'll add:, Daevryn, 09-Jan-08 01:40 AM, #36
                                                            Reply Hey man, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 03:20 AM, #37
                                                                 Reply RE: Hey man, Valguarnera, 09-Jan-08 07:50 AM, #39
                                                                      Reply Anyway, Dwoggurd, 09-Jan-08 10:42 AM, #43
                                                                           Reply RE: Anyway, Eskelian, 12-Jan-08 01:37 AM, #66
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