Also, rereading it, many of the things in it are true regardless of how badass cabdru was. For instance, I still consider AP's easy pickings as a general rule, and I generally beat the #### out of them. Also, I still don't see how an ap could avoid a determined binder thief taking his weapon, despite you saying to had a plan for that, I don't see it. Also, Cabdru had full wand sets at 36... this is (extremely?) abnormal... I beleive that entire post was about binder thief vs ap and not the general strength of the ap class. Of course an ap with a bunch of charges is strong. An ap with wands is strong... A shifter with wands is... well a shifter with wands. They may not go down as fast, but you shouldn't be dying to them either. Kind of like an assassin that only assassinates.... you may not be able to land the kill if you are assassinate wary, but you aren't going to die to them either unless they have insane tracking ability and the patience to stalk for hours for one decent oportunity.

You think shifters are fine, and no doubt you could woop ass with one, but that doesn't change the fact they are tactically boring and weak.

Question for you: Do you consider shifters frightening at all? Do you consider AP's frightening as a general rule? Or, like me, do you generally consider them weak and easy to kill unless proven otherwise by an obviously skillful player.