Funny thing is, I can appreciate most of that. It's unfortunate that a number of people seem to feel rping with "the rp crowd" (heralds, imms, cabal leaders, whatever) is like jumping through a hoop, instead of an opportunity to interact in a unique, rich, challenging way. I personally view an opportunity to "verbally spar" with interesting characters and enemies, and to argue/act/say crazy #### from *my character's* strange Theran history and warped philosophy as another form of competition.

I'm not sure right now (due to my lack of motivation and constrained time) how to explain to you the "magic" of when your character truly comes to life... when (personal anecdote) even though you despise Eshval, you have to tip your cap to Soucivi emoting taking a towel in hand to take a hot kettle from the fire.

I'm guessing your roles are something like "I'm evil murderconjie. I'm going to kill people, take their #### if I want, join Scion, and be super-duper-powerful!" That is a role, but it's cliche and unspecific. If you really wanted to try, you could be "I'm evil murderconjie from Hamsah: Achmed Arat-ibn-shahamud-ibn-hashmet-ibn-quq. My great, great, great grandfather was a compatriot of Faruq, and so my family had abandoned the art of magical conjuration until my burning curiosity, fueled by stories of my grandfather of his grandfather's stories of HIS father's glory and power drove me to seek training in Arkham. I will summon enough demons and devils to destroy the Sultan's palace! Only then will my family's glory and fame be restored, and I shall crown myself the new Sultan!"

I appreciate having a basic role, and staying in character... if you do. Daevryn disagrees with you. Just cut out the "I wanna nail Gzur" and "the ####ing asshole gaunted me" and speak like a person in Thera would speak. Or at least make it different from what you would say on AIM.

RP is not jumping through hoops. It's actually another way to show how cool and clever you are (that's why I rely on it, since I'm bad at pk). And your response to Neltouda still doesn't make any ####ing sense. I guess take our genuine advice, or don't, but don't make more threads in a month if you don't even give it an honest shot. Play the full game, not just the half you can min-max.