Valguarnera | Fri 12-Jan-07 01:47 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#926, "RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki:"
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It's not hard to make a case that relative to other realistic options in 1945, the use of an atomic weapon on Hiroshima cost the fewest lives (140,000, including future deaths attributible to radiation). For comparison, conquering Okinawa by conventional warfare cost upwards of 250,000 lives. Single days of firebombing during the war cost ~100,000 lives in Dresden (Germany) and Tokyo. Had Operations Coronet and Olympic (the Allied plan for invading Japan itself) gone forward, the casualty totals would have been in the seven digits. Pre-Hiroshima, the Japanese imperial command structure had shown no signs of cracking.
(Nagasaki is less defensible, IMHO, as a single demonstration already had the Japanese command structure in turmoil. At the very least, the military could have given Japan a little more time to surrender. Considerable evidence exists that the Japanese had no idea what caused the destruction of Hiroshima until the White House broadcast describing it, so this was certainly an unexpected turn of events.)
If you object to the use of atomic weapons on Hiroshima, you should provide an alternative, relevant to 1945. It's flippant at best to just say "testing nukes on citizens" without context.
valguarnera@carrionfields.com
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Like there wasn't enough to worry about
[View all] , Marcus_, Fri 05-Jan-07 08:31 AM
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
Vortex Magus,
10-Jan-07 11:21 AM, #14
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
Marcus_,
11-Jan-07 04:45 AM, #19
Ummm,
DurNominator,
11-Jan-07 07:18 AM, #20
Are you serious?,
Chuntog,
11-Jan-07 09:45 AM, #21
RE: Are you serious?,
Rodriguez,
11-Jan-07 01:45 PM, #22
RE: Are you serious?,
Chuntog,
12-Jan-07 08:59 AM, #27
Well,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 12:58 PM, #28
RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki:,
Valguarnera,
12-Jan-07 01:47 PM #29
I think Dresden might be a poor example.,
GinGa,
12-Jan-07 02:21 PM, #31
RE: I think Dresden might be a poor example.,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 03:09 PM, #33
The emphasis was meant on the target.,
GinGa,
12-Jan-07 04:41 PM, #38
Sorry, was a misunderstanding. /nt,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 04:53 PM, #39
I am not a military expert,,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 03:08 PM, #32
RE: I am not a military expert,,
Daevryn,
12-Jan-07 03:27 PM, #34
RE: I am not a military expert,,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 04:00 PM, #35
Isn't this one of the 10%?,
Valguarnera,
12-Jan-07 04:26 PM, #36
No,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 05:41 PM, #40
RE: No,
Valguarnera,
13-Jan-07 09:49 AM, #43
RE: No,
Rodriguez,
13-Jan-07 11:01 AM, #44
RE: No,
Daevryn,
13-Jan-07 11:51 AM, #45
RE: No,
DurNominator,
13-Jan-07 12:21 PM, #46
Over a million.,
Valguarnera,
13-Jan-07 12:56 PM, #47
If the war continued like it did before, yes maybe.,
Rodriguez,
13-Jan-07 01:39 PM, #48
Question:,
Daevryn,
13-Jan-07 03:21 PM, #49
In that case it truly would make no difference. /nt,
Rodriguez,
13-Jan-07 04:30 PM, #50
Japan,
Chuntog,
15-Jan-07 12:58 PM, #51
It's also worth mentioning...,
Daevryn,
15-Jan-07 01:46 PM, #52
RE: It's also worth mentioning...,
Valguarnera,
15-Jan-07 02:06 PM, #53
...or try to invade Swizerland,
Rodriguez,
15-Jan-07 03:28 PM, #54
Hmm, thats a good point... /nt,
Rodriguez,
15-Jan-07 03:29 PM, #55
Militarily Unneccessary,
Linolaques,
15-Jan-07 11:07 PM, #56
RE: I am not a military expert,,
Daevryn,
12-Jan-07 04:30 PM, #37
Sounds good in theorie,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 05:52 PM, #41
RE: Sounds good in theorie,
Daevryn,
12-Jan-07 06:03 PM, #42
I play with bacillus anthracis all the time...,
Sapphire_Eyes (Anonymous),
08-Jan-07 11:56 PM, #10
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
somebody,
08-Jan-07 05:10 PM, #4
RE: Biological Weapons:,
Valguarnera,
08-Jan-07 05:58 PM, #5
RE: Biological Weapons:,
somebody,
08-Jan-07 09:01 PM, #6
RE: Biological Weapons:,
Daevryn,
08-Jan-07 10:15 PM, #8
Just forget it,
somebody,
08-Jan-07 10:24 PM, #9
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
Igsoeh,
08-Jan-07 09:46 PM, #7
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
Rodriguez,
09-Jan-07 05:53 AM, #11
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
Igsoeh,
09-Jan-07 06:17 PM, #12
Hmm,
Rodriguez,
10-Jan-07 08:47 AM, #13
RE: Hmm,
Igsoeh,
11-Jan-07 11:52 PM, #24
We have world police. The UN.,
GinGa,
10-Jan-07 04:56 PM, #15
So true, its sad. /nt,
Rodriguez,
10-Jan-07 05:28 PM, #17
RE: We have world police. The UN.,
Igsoeh,
11-Jan-07 11:34 PM, #23
RE: We have world police. The UN.,
DurNominator,
12-Jan-07 03:54 AM, #25
RE: We have world police. The UN.,
Rodriguez,
12-Jan-07 05:08 AM, #26
Blatantly false accusations. (and some foot stamping),
GinGa,
12-Jan-07 02:16 PM, #30
RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about,
Valguarnera,
05-Jan-07 10:27 AM, #1
What is your job? n/t,
Stunna,
08-Jan-07 10:41 AM, #2
From below:,
Valguarnera,
08-Jan-07 02:39 PM, #3
Two things I'd like to ask you,
GinGa,
10-Jan-07 05:10 PM, #16
RE: Two things I'd like to ask you,
Valguarnera,
10-Jan-07 06:10 PM, #18
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