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ValguarneraFri 12-Jan-07 01:47 PM
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#926, "RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki:"


          

It's not hard to make a case that relative to other realistic options in 1945, the use of an atomic weapon on Hiroshima cost the fewest lives (140,000, including future deaths attributible to radiation). For comparison, conquering Okinawa by conventional warfare cost upwards of 250,000 lives. Single days of firebombing during the war cost ~100,000 lives in Dresden (Germany) and Tokyo. Had Operations Coronet and Olympic (the Allied plan for invading Japan itself) gone forward, the casualty totals would have been in the seven digits. Pre-Hiroshima, the Japanese imperial command structure had shown no signs of cracking.

(Nagasaki is less defensible, IMHO, as a single demonstration already had the Japanese command structure in turmoil. At the very least, the military could have given Japan a little more time to surrender. Considerable evidence exists that the Japanese had no idea what caused the destruction of Hiroshima until the White House broadcast describing it, so this was certainly an unexpected turn of events.)

If you object to the use of atomic weapons on Hiroshima, you should provide an alternative, relevant to 1945. It's flippant at best to just say "testing nukes on citizens" without context.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

  

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HOT TopicLike there wasn't enough to worry about [View all] , Marcus_, Fri 05-Jan-07 08:31 AM
Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, Vortex Magus, 10-Jan-07 11:21 AM, #14
Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, Marcus_, 11-Jan-07 04:45 AM, #19
     Reply Ummm, DurNominator, 11-Jan-07 07:18 AM, #20
          Reply Are you serious?, Chuntog, 11-Jan-07 09:45 AM, #21
               Reply RE: Are you serious?, Rodriguez, 11-Jan-07 01:45 PM, #22
                    Reply RE: Are you serious?, Chuntog, 12-Jan-07 08:59 AM, #27
                         Reply Well, Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 12:58 PM, #28
                              Reply RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki:, Valguarnera, 12-Jan-07 01:47 PM #29
                                   Reply I think Dresden might be a poor example., GinGa, 12-Jan-07 02:21 PM, #31
                                   Reply RE: I think Dresden might be a poor example., Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 03:09 PM, #33
                                        Reply The emphasis was meant on the target., GinGa, 12-Jan-07 04:41 PM, #38
                                             Reply Sorry, was a misunderstanding. /nt, Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 04:53 PM, #39
                                   Reply I am not a military expert,, Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 03:08 PM, #32
                                        Reply RE: I am not a military expert,, Daevryn, 12-Jan-07 03:27 PM, #34
                                             Reply RE: I am not a military expert,, Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 04:00 PM, #35
                                                  Reply Isn't this one of the 10%?, Valguarnera, 12-Jan-07 04:26 PM, #36
                                                  Reply No, Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 05:41 PM, #40
                                                       Reply RE: No, Valguarnera, 13-Jan-07 09:49 AM, #43
                                                            Reply RE: No, Rodriguez, 13-Jan-07 11:01 AM, #44
                                                                 Reply RE: No, Daevryn, 13-Jan-07 11:51 AM, #45
                                                                 Reply RE: No, DurNominator, 13-Jan-07 12:21 PM, #46
                                                                 Reply Over a million., Valguarnera, 13-Jan-07 12:56 PM, #47
                                                                      Reply If the war continued like it did before, yes maybe., Rodriguez, 13-Jan-07 01:39 PM, #48
                                                                           Reply Question:, Daevryn, 13-Jan-07 03:21 PM, #49
                                                                           Reply In that case it truly would make no difference. /nt, Rodriguez, 13-Jan-07 04:30 PM, #50
                                                                           Reply Japan, Chuntog, 15-Jan-07 12:58 PM, #51
                                                                                Reply It's also worth mentioning..., Daevryn, 15-Jan-07 01:46 PM, #52
                                                                                Reply RE: It's also worth mentioning..., Valguarnera, 15-Jan-07 02:06 PM, #53
                                                                                Reply ...or try to invade Swizerland, Rodriguez, 15-Jan-07 03:28 PM, #54
                                                                                Reply Hmm, thats a good point... /nt, Rodriguez, 15-Jan-07 03:29 PM, #55
                                                                                Reply Militarily Unneccessary, Linolaques, 15-Jan-07 11:07 PM, #56
                                                  Reply RE: I am not a military expert,, Daevryn, 12-Jan-07 04:30 PM, #37
                                                       Reply Sounds good in theorie, Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 05:52 PM, #41
                                                            Reply RE: Sounds good in theorie, Daevryn, 12-Jan-07 06:03 PM, #42
Reply I play with bacillus anthracis all the time..., Sapphire_Eyes (Anonymous), 08-Jan-07 11:56 PM, #10
Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, somebody, 08-Jan-07 05:10 PM, #4
Reply RE: Biological Weapons:, Valguarnera, 08-Jan-07 05:58 PM, #5
Reply RE: Biological Weapons:, somebody, 08-Jan-07 09:01 PM, #6
     Reply RE: Biological Weapons:, Daevryn, 08-Jan-07 10:15 PM, #8
          Reply Just forget it, somebody, 08-Jan-07 10:24 PM, #9
Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, Igsoeh, 08-Jan-07 09:46 PM, #7
     Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, Rodriguez, 09-Jan-07 05:53 AM, #11
          Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, Igsoeh, 09-Jan-07 06:17 PM, #12
          Reply Hmm, Rodriguez, 10-Jan-07 08:47 AM, #13
               Reply RE: Hmm, Igsoeh, 11-Jan-07 11:52 PM, #24
          Reply We have world police. The UN., GinGa, 10-Jan-07 04:56 PM, #15
               Reply So true, its sad. /nt, Rodriguez, 10-Jan-07 05:28 PM, #17
               Reply RE: We have world police. The UN., Igsoeh, 11-Jan-07 11:34 PM, #23
                    Reply RE: We have world police. The UN., DurNominator, 12-Jan-07 03:54 AM, #25
                    Reply RE: We have world police. The UN., Rodriguez, 12-Jan-07 05:08 AM, #26
                    Reply Blatantly false accusations. (and some foot stamping), GinGa, 12-Jan-07 02:16 PM, #30
Reply RE: Like there wasn't enough to worry about, Valguarnera, 05-Jan-07 10:27 AM, #1
     Reply What is your job? n/t, Stunna, 08-Jan-07 10:41 AM, #2
     Reply From below:, Valguarnera, 08-Jan-07 02:39 PM, #3
     Reply Two things I'd like to ask you, GinGa, 10-Jan-07 05:10 PM, #16
          Reply RE: Two things I'd like to ask you, Valguarnera, 10-Jan-07 06:10 PM, #18
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