Twist | Sun 05-Jul-09 09:44 PM |
Member since 23rd Sep 2006
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#82542, "Your math is faulty, but..."
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I was waiting for someone to complain about the imm rewards.
Let me first address your faulty math - Woldrun was a cabal leader for probably 3/4 of his life, and I'd say 80% or more of his deaths were during that time. So those 139 deaths were mostly at the 5-deaths-per-con level. So more like 30 points of con.
IIRC he gained 6 con. There's a history entry from Thror about Woldrun being awarded some con for the Thror return quest, but before he could reward it I specifically told Yean (who told Thror) as Woldrun that I did not want any reward - that I had been given plenty of gifts from the Gods, and I wanted my men to be rewarded, not me. I told this to Thror IC too - Susubienko was in the room with me when I did.
I think Woldrun got too much imm-loving early in his life, to be honest. He was given a third legacy for winning a warrior-brawl-thing that was organized by Grawshen and sponsored by Iunna. There was an *extremely* poor showing for the event - at least 3 ragers that had told me they'd be there weren't, and I know of 2 or three non-ragers that should've been there. In the end there were only four of us, Woldrun won pretty much hands down, and there you have it. Third legacy that was (at the time) debateably undeserved. I like to think Iunna would have given the same-value-prize to whoever won, regardless. But that's something she can answer.
The polearm spec was for a role contest, and, as I said before, I personally wouldn't have chosen Woldrun's role. I am fairly certain Marcatis (who gave me the spec) did not know I played Woldrun at the time. It was nice in a few situations. I don't think it made the char all that much more powerful - it netted me a few kills that I wouldn't have gotten, via cutoff, but it also got me killed a few times where if I'd have used swords/hth instead of relying on chargeset or cutoff I'd have probably escaped. I can't say that this was an undeserved deal - Woldrun was judged a RC winner as opposed to runner up, and those types of things often net a quest form, third legacy, or something comparable. I'm not sure if a fourth legacy would have been more OP - I think so, but it's open for debate I guess - but my guess is that Marcatis figured so. Also, since my role mentioned Borkahd a lot, polearm was a neat choice.
Set Fracture was very nice. Maybe too nice for rager berserker sword spec, since it allowed me to really never fear assassins again other than assassination. But really, before set fracture, it was like wrist broken, retreat, wait for it to heal. It saved time, drove off a foe once, but never netted me a kill. It also almost killed me more than once, since you take damage when you set your own fracture, and decalcification and soften naturally make it worse. That would've been embarrassing. Anyway.
The edges I can't let you bitch about too much. I got almost all of those myself via a massive amount of exploration and observation and RP with lots of imms which involved repeated visits to shrines - still didn't get to talk to all the ones I wanted to. Some of those visits netted me nothing but a line in a role entry, others netted me a neat edge or something else...but each was appreciated a lot.
In the end, I think Woldrun did earn everything he got - just perhaps not at the times he got them. The Thror quest was a month-and-a-half long deal that, had I been running it, would have probably ended up with a third legacy for the spearhead character, and some nice bennies for the others. I believe Thror gave bennies to the others, and I already commented about trying to make sure Woldrun didn't get a lot out of it.
In the end, I'm fairly certain most of the imms who did dole out rewards to me did not know it was me - at least not when they gave the awards out. I know Thror didn't know it was me. I don't think Yean did (haven't spoken to her about it yet). I know Iunna did know it was me, but whether it was pre-tournament or post, I do not know.
Lastly, I'd like to you analyze your second paragraph, specifically the second sentence. You never interacted with me, but you read "his logs". I've posted 4. All of them involving PK. You've read logs that other people posted of me. You've no idea about anything Woldrun did, really, but you're angered by the amount of imm-love he got. That's a reasonable feeling, I think, especially if you feel neglected in that area. But I think it's also reasonable to say that if you didn't interact with him, saying it was fair or unfair is something you really can't be the judge of.
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(CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomitable ...
[View all] , Death_Angel, Thu 02-Jul-09 11:12 PM
Good Job Twist. =),
Krilcov Krieger,
08-Jul-09 08:55 AM, #131
Hah, rats!,
Goroel (Guest),
07-Jul-09 05:58 PM, #126
Do you have any idea what we had to go through because ...,
Arrna (Guest),
07-Jul-09 06:21 PM, #127
RE: Do you have any idea what we had to go through beca...,
Goroel (Guest),
07-Jul-09 09:08 PM, #128
Goroel was worse.,
Iunna,
07-Jul-09 09:43 PM, #129
RE: Goroel was worse.,
Fyeereth (Guest),
07-Jul-09 10:21 PM, #130
RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita...,
Malthalia (Guest),
06-Jul-09 08:03 AM, #96
You really love your giant sword specs,
Abernytee (Guest),
06-Jul-09 04:11 AM, #93
Talk about your imm-rewards,
Wow (Guest),
05-Jul-09 09:06 PM, #74
Only polearm and setfracture,
Forsakenz (Guest),
05-Jul-09 09:12 PM, #75
So other people detract from the game?,
Wow (Guest),
05-Jul-09 09:19 PM, #76
Huh.,
Iunna,
05-Jul-09 09:39 PM, #78
RE: Huh.,
Wow (Guest),
06-Jul-09 09:35 AM, #98
You don't read or do math very well apparently....,
Twist,
06-Jul-09 09:52 AM, #99
You fail at something...,
Wow (Guest),
06-Jul-09 05:45 PM, #105
RE: You fail at something...,
Daevryn,
06-Jul-09 06:51 PM, #106
RE: You fail at something...,
Wow. (Guest),
06-Jul-09 07:12 PM, #107
RE: You fail at something...,
Daevryn,
06-Jul-09 07:42 PM, #108
I would submit,
Twist,
06-Jul-09 08:23 PM, #112
Just curious....,
Lightmaged (Guest),
06-Jul-09 08:34 PM, #114
I think Dwoggurd was a remarkable char as well,
Dwoggurd,
06-Jul-09 09:02 PM, #115
RE: Just curious....,
Daevryn,
06-Jul-09 09:02 PM, #116
RE: You fail at something...,
Malakhi (Guest),
07-Jul-09 12:04 PM, #124
Eh.,
Iunna,
06-Jul-09 10:31 AM, #101
RE: So other people detract from the game?,
Daevryn,
05-Jul-09 09:43 PM, #79
RE: So other people detract from the game?,
Straklaw,
06-Jul-09 04:13 AM, #94
RE: So other people detract from the game?,
Isildur,
06-Jul-09 07:53 PM, #109
Your math is faulty, but...,
Twist,
05-Jul-09 09:44 PM #80
RE: Your math is faulty, but...,
Daevryn,
05-Jul-09 09:48 PM, #81
Biting my tongue!,
Susu (Guest),
05-Jul-09 10:13 PM, #82
I think the point is:,
HammerSong,
05-Jul-09 11:02 PM, #83
OMG was that a Cactus Jack reference?,
TMNS_lazy (Guest),
05-Jul-09 11:45 PM, #87
People bitched about what they got?!,
N b M (Guest),
06-Jul-09 11:39 AM, #102
Round to Hunsobobigsmashguy!,
Humbert. (Guest),
06-Jul-09 03:00 AM, #91
The only thing that stands out to me...,
_Magus_,
06-Jul-09 10:00 AM, #100
Woldrun isn't the one with the highest IMM-XP count... ...,
Arrna (Guest),
06-Jul-09 01:40 PM, #103
RE: Woldrun isn't the one with the highest IMM-XP count...,
Isildur,
06-Jul-09 08:12 PM, #111
And Waris wasn't really THAT liked by the IMMs either! ...,
Arrna (Guest),
07-Jul-09 08:07 AM, #118
How many...,
_Magus_Guest_ (Guest),
07-Jul-09 10:28 AM, #120
As Nanorab I got...,
Yhorian (Guest),
06-Jul-09 09:31 AM, #97
RE: So other people detract from the game?,
Isildur,
06-Jul-09 07:58 PM, #110
The other thing,
Daevryn,
06-Jul-09 08:25 PM, #113
Unless you are Seyriannia/Izuhlzin ntnt,
CraftedD (Guest),
07-Jul-09 09:23 AM, #119
RE: Unless you are Seyriannia/Izuhlzin ntnt,
Isildur,
07-Jul-09 11:01 AM, #121
Im not talking about immexp. ntnt,
CD (Guest),
07-Jul-09 11:11 AM, #122
Rush Limbaugh's idea of wealth envy, is what I see.,
ROGUE_guest (Guest),
05-Jul-09 09:20 PM, #77
RE: Talk about your imm-rewards,
Taichabel (Guest),
05-Jul-09 11:51 PM, #88
RE: Talk about your jackasses,
A2,
06-Jul-09 12:36 AM, #90
Battle leaders...,
Lightmaged (Guest),
06-Jul-09 06:45 AM, #95
I seem to remember a similar thread when Vhloughvang di...,
TJHuron,
06-Jul-09 09:26 PM, #117
RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita...,
Humbert. (Guest),
05-Jul-09 02:51 AM, #70
RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita...,
sulzaen (Guest),
03-Jul-09 05:35 PM, #54
RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita...,
Brexamir (Guest),
04-Jul-09 12:33 AM, #64
Great leader.,
Hudralon (Guest),
03-Jul-09 05:35 PM, #53
This goes back... but you sure had Pzuryxal's number ma...,
Kadsies (Guest),
03-Jul-09 04:01 PM, #50
Killing you is always such a royal pain in the ass no m...,
Scrimbul,
03-Jul-09 01:07 AM, #13
So how many leaders/RC winners does this make for you,
Wonderkin (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:51 AM, #11
RE: So how many leaders/RC winners does this make for y...,
Isildur,
03-Jul-09 08:43 AM, #21
Trying to remember...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 11:04 AM, #41
I consider myself a creative writer,
Wonderkin (Guest),
03-Jul-09 06:35 PM, #57
That's just it...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 08:12 PM, #58
Finally Dead.,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 12:29 AM, #5
Loved you as Grawshen. Now I see why. stxt,
Grawsh (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:42 AM, #8
Crude jokes,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:40 AM, #33
Salute,
Lancelot (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:46 AM, #9
My heart is happy knowing you still play this game. n/t,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:39 AM, #31
Oh come now =P,
Kyaltaru (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:57 AM, #12
Oh yes you certainly did.,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:38 AM, #30
*sigh*,
Kyaltaru (Guest),
03-Jul-09 02:00 PM, #46
Hah!,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 04:55 PM, #52
How sad.,
Malakhi (Guest),
03-Jul-09 01:08 AM, #14
Started to take on?,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:35 AM, #28
Knew it was you,
Cyrn (Guest),
03-Jul-09 01:16 AM, #15
Where's my cut? n/t,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:32 AM, #27
Bitch!,
Sarien,
03-Jul-09 01:22 AM, #16
Hey!,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:31 AM, #26
Was that Araevin you killed in one round when he rescue...,
Aeinrez (Guest),
03-Jul-09 03:03 PM, #48
Hey it was fun,
Quas (Guest),
03-Jul-09 06:34 AM, #17
Under control,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:30 AM, #24
I was hoping for something more, alas. ~,
Ahtielie2 (Guest),
03-Jul-09 07:48 AM, #19
Well, like I said...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:24 AM, #23
RE: Well, like I said...,
Taichabel (Guest),
03-Jul-09 09:37 AM, #29
RE: Well, like I said...,
Ahtieli2 (Guest),
03-Jul-09 10:02 AM, #36
So long Commander,
thendrell,
03-Jul-09 07:52 AM, #20
Oh yeah that was cool...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:19 AM, #22
Well played as always.,
Marsen (Guest),
03-Jul-09 09:31 AM, #25
Oh yeah...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:43 AM, #34
Cheers to you!,
Vythigor_ (Guest),
03-Jul-09 09:39 AM, #32
So I'm wondering...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:44 AM, #35
RE: So I'm wondering...,
Vythigor_ (Guest),
03-Jul-09 05:51 PM, #55
Great Commander,
Estrisa (Guest),
03-Jul-09 10:17 AM, #37
HAHA I knew it was you. you sneaky bastard!,
Johnnyboy (Guest),
03-Jul-09 10:30 AM, #38
Respect.,
Dolce (Guest),
03-Jul-09 10:40 AM, #39
We know "all" about your "discussions", dear :P ~,
Ahtiele2 (Guest),
03-Jul-09 03:59 PM, #49
RE: Finally Dead.,
Susu (Guest),
03-Jul-09 10:47 AM, #40
Didn't really check on your age, I don't think.,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 11:09 AM, #42
RE: Didn't really check on your age, I don't think.,
Susu (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:35 PM, #43
RE: Finally Dead.,
Nacklewig (Guest),
03-Jul-09 01:26 PM, #44
In the end it just came down to, I didn't want to fight...,
Adeglicfh (Guest),
03-Jul-09 01:48 PM, #45
Mmmm...Twist,
Ghrummin (Guest),
03-Jul-09 02:41 PM, #47
I enjoyed the fights,
Mek (Guest),
03-Jul-09 04:23 PM, #51
I called this as you or Sebeok,
Stunna1 (Guest),
03-Jul-09 06:10 PM, #56
Actually...,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 08:17 PM, #59
Ooh, and on that note...,
Stunna1 (Guest),
03-Jul-09 09:01 PM, #60
I think that could be pretty pimp, yeah. (n/t),
Twist,
03-Jul-09 09:08 PM, #61
RE: I called this as you or Sebeok,
Daevryn,
03-Jul-09 09:32 PM, #62
I learned a lot from Twist posts.,
Stunna1 (Guest),
04-Jul-09 07:05 PM, #68
PK/hour,
Balrahd. (Guest),
04-Jul-09 08:01 PM, #69
yea...,
Stunna1 (Guest),
05-Jul-09 05:50 AM, #71
That sounds agreeable.,
Balrahd. (Guest),
05-Jul-09 11:53 PM, #89
RE: PK/hour,
Jorg (Guest),
05-Jul-09 11:36 PM, #85
True. n/t,
Balrahd. (Guest),
05-Jul-09 11:43 PM, #86
RE: Finally Dead.,
Edika (Guest),
03-Jul-09 10:23 PM, #63
RE: Finally Dead.,
Kalderseg (Guest),
04-Jul-09 07:37 AM, #65
RE: Finally Dead.,
Yean,
04-Jul-09 09:03 AM, #66
RE: Finally Dead.,
Lightmaged (Guest),
04-Jul-09 01:02 PM, #67
Straight awesome,
Khurm (Guest),
05-Jul-09 08:20 AM, #72
Damn!,
Tarleton (Guest),
05-Jul-09 07:40 PM, #73
Spectacular,
Bartis (Guest),
05-Jul-09 11:03 PM, #84
So, seriously, how was it without magic?,
TMNS_lazy (Guest),
06-Jul-09 03:51 AM, #92
Well I don't feel so bad now,
Kassibaz (Guest),
06-Jul-09 05:42 PM, #104
RE: Finally Dead.,
Borkahd,
07-Jul-09 11:52 AM, #123
RE: Finally Dead.,
Borkahd,
07-Jul-09 12:09 PM, #125
Great Commander, even better enemy.,
Kyaltaru (Guest),
02-Jul-09 11:37 PM, #4
RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita...,
HammerSong,
02-Jul-09 11:57 PM, #2
So he has been gone for what, a half hour now? He bette...,
N b M (Guest),
02-Jul-09 11:34 PM, #3
RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita...,
Taichabel (Guest),
02-Jul-09 11:20 PM, #1
You were a good enemy.,
Twist,
03-Jul-09 12:37 AM, #6
RE: You were a good enemy.,
Taichabel (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:41 AM, #7
And yes that one time you were close!,
Taichabel (Guest),
03-Jul-09 12:50 AM, #10
RE: Woldrun,
Calbaseeti (Guest),
03-Jul-09 07:03 AM, #18
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