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TwistSun 05-Jul-09 09:44 PM
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#82542, "Your math is faulty, but..."


          

I was waiting for someone to complain about the imm rewards.

Let me first address your faulty math - Woldrun was a cabal leader for probably 3/4 of his life, and I'd say 80% or more of his deaths were during that time. So those 139 deaths were mostly at the 5-deaths-per-con level. So more like 30 points of con.

IIRC he gained 6 con. There's a history entry from Thror about Woldrun being awarded some con for the Thror return quest, but before he could reward it I specifically told Yean (who told Thror) as Woldrun that I did not want any reward - that I had been given plenty of gifts from the Gods, and I wanted my men to be rewarded, not me. I told this to Thror IC too - Susubienko was in the room with me when I did.

I think Woldrun got too much imm-loving early in his life, to be honest. He was given a third legacy for winning a warrior-brawl-thing that was organized by Grawshen and sponsored by Iunna. There was an *extremely* poor showing for the event - at least 3 ragers that had told me they'd be there weren't, and I know of 2 or three non-ragers that should've been there. In the end there were only four of us, Woldrun won pretty much hands down, and there you have it. Third legacy that was (at the time) debateably undeserved. I like to think Iunna would have given the same-value-prize to whoever won, regardless. But that's something she can answer.

The polearm spec was for a role contest, and, as I said before, I personally wouldn't have chosen Woldrun's role. I am fairly certain Marcatis (who gave me the spec) did not know I played Woldrun at the time. It was nice in a few situations. I don't think it made the char all that much more powerful - it netted me a few kills that I wouldn't have gotten, via cutoff, but it also got me killed a few times where if I'd have used swords/hth instead of relying on chargeset or cutoff I'd have probably escaped. I can't say that this was an undeserved deal - Woldrun was judged a RC winner as opposed to runner up, and those types of things often net a quest form, third legacy, or something comparable. I'm not sure if a fourth legacy would have been more OP - I think so, but it's open for debate I guess - but my guess is that Marcatis figured so. Also, since my role mentioned Borkahd a lot, polearm was a neat choice.

Set Fracture was very nice. Maybe too nice for rager berserker sword spec, since it allowed me to really never fear assassins again other than assassination. But really, before set fracture, it was like wrist broken, retreat, wait for it to heal. It saved time, drove off a foe once, but never netted me a kill. It also almost killed me more than once, since you take damage when you set your own fracture, and decalcification and soften naturally make it worse. That would've been embarrassing. Anyway.

The edges I can't let you bitch about too much. I got almost all of those myself via a massive amount of exploration and observation and RP with lots of imms which involved repeated visits to shrines - still didn't get to talk to all the ones I wanted to. Some of those visits netted me nothing but a line in a role entry, others netted me a neat edge or something else...but each was appreciated a lot.

In the end, I think Woldrun did earn everything he got - just perhaps not at the times he got them. The Thror quest was a month-and-a-half long deal that, had I been running it, would have probably ended up with a third legacy for the spearhead character, and some nice bennies for the others. I believe Thror gave bennies to the others, and I already commented about trying to make sure Woldrun didn't get a lot out of it.

In the end, I'm fairly certain most of the imms who did dole out rewards to me did not know it was me - at least not when they gave the awards out. I know Thror didn't know it was me. I don't think Yean did (haven't spoken to her about it yet). I know Iunna did know it was me, but whether it was pre-tournament or post, I do not know.

Lastly, I'd like to you analyze your second paragraph, specifically the second sentence. You never interacted with me, but you read "his logs". I've posted 4. All of them involving PK. You've read logs that other people posted of me. You've no idea about anything Woldrun did, really, but you're angered by the amount of imm-love he got. That's a reasonable feeling, I think, especially if you feel neglected in that area. But I think it's also reasonable to say that if you didn't interact with him, saying it was fair or unfair is something you really can't be the judge of.

  

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HOT Topic(CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomitable ... [View all] , Death_Angel, Thu 02-Jul-09 11:12 PM
Reply Good Job Twist. =), Krilcov Krieger, 08-Jul-09 08:55 AM, #131
Reply Hah, rats!, Goroel (Guest), 07-Jul-09 05:58 PM, #126
Reply Do you have any idea what we had to go through because ..., Arrna (Guest), 07-Jul-09 06:21 PM, #127
     Reply RE: Do you have any idea what we had to go through beca..., Goroel (Guest), 07-Jul-09 09:08 PM, #128
          Reply Goroel was worse., Iunna, 07-Jul-09 09:43 PM, #129
               Reply RE: Goroel was worse., Fyeereth (Guest), 07-Jul-09 10:21 PM, #130
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita..., Malthalia (Guest), 06-Jul-09 08:03 AM, #96
Reply You really love your giant sword specs, Abernytee (Guest), 06-Jul-09 04:11 AM, #93
Reply Talk about your imm-rewards, Wow (Guest), 05-Jul-09 09:06 PM, #74
Reply Only polearm and setfracture, Forsakenz (Guest), 05-Jul-09 09:12 PM, #75
Reply So other people detract from the game?, Wow (Guest), 05-Jul-09 09:19 PM, #76
     Reply Huh., Iunna, 05-Jul-09 09:39 PM, #78
     Reply RE: Huh., Wow (Guest), 06-Jul-09 09:35 AM, #98
          Reply You don't read or do math very well apparently...., Twist, 06-Jul-09 09:52 AM, #99
          Reply You fail at something..., Wow (Guest), 06-Jul-09 05:45 PM, #105
               Reply RE: You fail at something..., Daevryn, 06-Jul-09 06:51 PM, #106
                    Reply RE: You fail at something..., Wow. (Guest), 06-Jul-09 07:12 PM, #107
                    Reply RE: You fail at something..., Daevryn, 06-Jul-09 07:42 PM, #108
                    Reply I would submit, Twist, 06-Jul-09 08:23 PM, #112
                    Reply Just curious...., Lightmaged (Guest), 06-Jul-09 08:34 PM, #114
                         Reply I think Dwoggurd was a remarkable char as well, Dwoggurd, 06-Jul-09 09:02 PM, #115
                         Reply RE: Just curious...., Daevryn, 06-Jul-09 09:02 PM, #116
                    Reply RE: You fail at something..., Malakhi (Guest), 07-Jul-09 12:04 PM, #124
          Reply Eh., Iunna, 06-Jul-09 10:31 AM, #101
     Reply RE: So other people detract from the game?, Daevryn, 05-Jul-09 09:43 PM, #79
     Reply RE: So other people detract from the game?, Straklaw, 06-Jul-09 04:13 AM, #94
          Reply RE: So other people detract from the game?, Isildur, 06-Jul-09 07:53 PM, #109
     Reply Your math is faulty, but..., Twist, 05-Jul-09 09:44 PM #80
     Reply RE: Your math is faulty, but..., Daevryn, 05-Jul-09 09:48 PM, #81
     Reply Biting my tongue!, Susu (Guest), 05-Jul-09 10:13 PM, #82
     Reply I think the point is:, HammerSong, 05-Jul-09 11:02 PM, #83
     Reply OMG was that a Cactus Jack reference?, TMNS_lazy (Guest), 05-Jul-09 11:45 PM, #87
     Reply People bitched about what they got?!, N b M (Guest), 06-Jul-09 11:39 AM, #102
     Reply Round to Hunsobobigsmashguy!, Humbert. (Guest), 06-Jul-09 03:00 AM, #91
     Reply The only thing that stands out to me..., _Magus_, 06-Jul-09 10:00 AM, #100
          Reply Woldrun isn't the one with the highest IMM-XP count... ..., Arrna (Guest), 06-Jul-09 01:40 PM, #103
               Reply RE: Woldrun isn't the one with the highest IMM-XP count..., Isildur, 06-Jul-09 08:12 PM, #111
                    Reply And Waris wasn't really THAT liked by the IMMs either! ..., Arrna (Guest), 07-Jul-09 08:07 AM, #118
                    Reply How many..., _Magus_Guest_ (Guest), 07-Jul-09 10:28 AM, #120
     Reply As Nanorab I got..., Yhorian (Guest), 06-Jul-09 09:31 AM, #97
     Reply RE: So other people detract from the game?, Isildur, 06-Jul-09 07:58 PM, #110
          Reply The other thing, Daevryn, 06-Jul-09 08:25 PM, #113
               Reply Unless you are Seyriannia/Izuhlzin ntnt, CraftedD (Guest), 07-Jul-09 09:23 AM, #119
                    Reply RE: Unless you are Seyriannia/Izuhlzin ntnt, Isildur, 07-Jul-09 11:01 AM, #121
                         Reply Im not talking about immexp. ntnt, CD (Guest), 07-Jul-09 11:11 AM, #122
Reply Rush Limbaugh's idea of wealth envy, is what I see., ROGUE_guest (Guest), 05-Jul-09 09:20 PM, #77
Reply RE: Talk about your imm-rewards, Taichabel (Guest), 05-Jul-09 11:51 PM, #88
Reply RE: Talk about your jackasses, A2, 06-Jul-09 12:36 AM, #90
Reply Battle leaders..., Lightmaged (Guest), 06-Jul-09 06:45 AM, #95
Reply I seem to remember a similar thread when Vhloughvang di..., TJHuron, 06-Jul-09 09:26 PM, #117
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita..., Humbert. (Guest), 05-Jul-09 02:51 AM, #70
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita..., sulzaen (Guest), 03-Jul-09 05:35 PM, #54
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita..., Brexamir (Guest), 04-Jul-09 12:33 AM, #64
Reply Great leader., Hudralon (Guest), 03-Jul-09 05:35 PM, #53
Reply This goes back... but you sure had Pzuryxal's number ma..., Kadsies (Guest), 03-Jul-09 04:01 PM, #50
Reply Killing you is always such a royal pain in the ass no m..., Scrimbul, 03-Jul-09 01:07 AM, #13
Reply So how many leaders/RC winners does this make for you, Wonderkin (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:51 AM, #11
Reply RE: So how many leaders/RC winners does this make for y..., Isildur, 03-Jul-09 08:43 AM, #21
Reply Trying to remember..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 11:04 AM, #41
     Reply I consider myself a creative writer, Wonderkin (Guest), 03-Jul-09 06:35 PM, #57
          Reply That's just it..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 08:12 PM, #58
Reply Finally Dead., Twist, 03-Jul-09 12:29 AM, #5
Reply Loved you as Grawshen. Now I see why. stxt, Grawsh (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:42 AM, #8
Reply Crude jokes, Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:40 AM, #33
Reply Salute, Lancelot (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:46 AM, #9
Reply My heart is happy knowing you still play this game. n/t, Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:39 AM, #31
Reply Oh come now =P, Kyaltaru (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:57 AM, #12
Reply Oh yes you certainly did., Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:38 AM, #30
     Reply *sigh*, Kyaltaru (Guest), 03-Jul-09 02:00 PM, #46
          Reply Hah!, Twist, 03-Jul-09 04:55 PM, #52
Reply How sad., Malakhi (Guest), 03-Jul-09 01:08 AM, #14
Reply Started to take on?, Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:35 AM, #28
Reply Knew it was you, Cyrn (Guest), 03-Jul-09 01:16 AM, #15
Reply Where's my cut? n/t, Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:32 AM, #27
Reply Bitch!, Sarien, 03-Jul-09 01:22 AM, #16
Reply Hey!, Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:31 AM, #26
     Reply Was that Araevin you killed in one round when he rescue..., Aeinrez (Guest), 03-Jul-09 03:03 PM, #48
Reply Hey it was fun, Quas (Guest), 03-Jul-09 06:34 AM, #17
Reply Under control, Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:30 AM, #24
Reply I was hoping for something more, alas. ~, Ahtielie2 (Guest), 03-Jul-09 07:48 AM, #19
Reply Well, like I said..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:24 AM, #23
     Reply RE: Well, like I said..., Taichabel (Guest), 03-Jul-09 09:37 AM, #29
     Reply RE: Well, like I said..., Ahtieli2 (Guest), 03-Jul-09 10:02 AM, #36
Reply So long Commander, thendrell, 03-Jul-09 07:52 AM, #20
Reply Oh yeah that was cool..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:19 AM, #22
Reply Well played as always., Marsen (Guest), 03-Jul-09 09:31 AM, #25
Reply Oh yeah..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:43 AM, #34
Reply Cheers to you!, Vythigor_ (Guest), 03-Jul-09 09:39 AM, #32
Reply So I'm wondering..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:44 AM, #35
     Reply RE: So I'm wondering..., Vythigor_ (Guest), 03-Jul-09 05:51 PM, #55
Reply Great Commander, Estrisa (Guest), 03-Jul-09 10:17 AM, #37
Reply HAHA I knew it was you. you sneaky bastard!, Johnnyboy (Guest), 03-Jul-09 10:30 AM, #38
Reply Respect., Dolce (Guest), 03-Jul-09 10:40 AM, #39
Reply We know "all" about your "discussions", dear :P ~, Ahtiele2 (Guest), 03-Jul-09 03:59 PM, #49
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Susu (Guest), 03-Jul-09 10:47 AM, #40
Reply Didn't really check on your age, I don't think., Twist, 03-Jul-09 11:09 AM, #42
     Reply RE: Didn't really check on your age, I don't think., Susu (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:35 PM, #43
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Nacklewig (Guest), 03-Jul-09 01:26 PM, #44
Reply In the end it just came down to, I didn't want to fight..., Adeglicfh (Guest), 03-Jul-09 01:48 PM, #45
Reply Mmmm...Twist, Ghrummin (Guest), 03-Jul-09 02:41 PM, #47
Reply I enjoyed the fights, Mek (Guest), 03-Jul-09 04:23 PM, #51
Reply I called this as you or Sebeok, Stunna1 (Guest), 03-Jul-09 06:10 PM, #56
Reply Actually..., Twist, 03-Jul-09 08:17 PM, #59
Reply Ooh, and on that note..., Stunna1 (Guest), 03-Jul-09 09:01 PM, #60
     Reply I think that could be pretty pimp, yeah. (n/t), Twist, 03-Jul-09 09:08 PM, #61
Reply RE: I called this as you or Sebeok, Daevryn, 03-Jul-09 09:32 PM, #62
     Reply I learned a lot from Twist posts., Stunna1 (Guest), 04-Jul-09 07:05 PM, #68
          Reply PK/hour, Balrahd. (Guest), 04-Jul-09 08:01 PM, #69
               Reply yea..., Stunna1 (Guest), 05-Jul-09 05:50 AM, #71
               Reply That sounds agreeable., Balrahd. (Guest), 05-Jul-09 11:53 PM, #89
               Reply RE: PK/hour, Jorg (Guest), 05-Jul-09 11:36 PM, #85
                    Reply True. n/t, Balrahd. (Guest), 05-Jul-09 11:43 PM, #86
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Edika (Guest), 03-Jul-09 10:23 PM, #63
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Kalderseg (Guest), 04-Jul-09 07:37 AM, #65
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Yean, 04-Jul-09 09:03 AM, #66
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Lightmaged (Guest), 04-Jul-09 01:02 PM, #67
Reply Straight awesome, Khurm (Guest), 05-Jul-09 08:20 AM, #72
Reply Damn!, Tarleton (Guest), 05-Jul-09 07:40 PM, #73
Reply Spectacular, Bartis (Guest), 05-Jul-09 11:03 PM, #84
Reply So, seriously, how was it without magic?, TMNS_lazy (Guest), 06-Jul-09 03:51 AM, #92
Reply Well I don't feel so bad now, Kassibaz (Guest), 06-Jul-09 05:42 PM, #104
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Borkahd, 07-Jul-09 11:52 AM, #123
Reply RE: Finally Dead., Borkahd, 07-Jul-09 12:09 PM, #125
Reply Great Commander, even better enemy., Kyaltaru (Guest), 02-Jul-09 11:37 PM, #4
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita..., HammerSong, 02-Jul-09 11:57 PM, #2
Reply So he has been gone for what, a half hour now? He bette..., N b M (Guest), 02-Jul-09 11:34 PM, #3
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [BATTLE] Woldrun Grall-than the Indomita..., Taichabel (Guest), 02-Jul-09 11:20 PM, #1
     Reply You were a good enemy., Twist, 03-Jul-09 12:37 AM, #6
          Reply RE: You were a good enemy., Taichabel (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:41 AM, #7
          Reply And yes that one time you were close!, Taichabel (Guest), 03-Jul-09 12:50 AM, #10
               Reply RE: Woldrun, Calbaseeti (Guest), 03-Jul-09 07:03 AM, #18
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