I have been waiting a while to
>post this argument, and I think the time has come, There are
>a couple forms that can see hidden/camo the large bat, the
>owl, and the fox. The first two, should be changed in my
>opinion, as lets face it, seeing hidden/camo as a mage is
>damn powerful.

I don't know about the owl because I've never had it, being as Lanaulyn was my first shifter. But I would like to say that the bat isn't all it's cracked up to be, for a third major form. It doesn't help you rank in any way, and you are vulnerable to weapons. If you doubt that ready Loranessa's log when she killed Drengal. Also, the bat can only see hidden during the night time. And also, when it's in the air, it cannot see anyone in it's where pk down below. That means I don't get to hunt people who are hiding by staying in the air. I am not complaining, because it saved my life a few times. But I don't know if it would be right to change it. When I got bat form, I nearly deleted, just because of how terrible it was in all aspects of combat.

The fox, who can see hidden is a major
>utility form, not a minor air form, and hence, more
>deserving of such capabilities, it seems a bit too easy to
>get the bat/owl, as I note that almost every shifter I saw
>had one of the two. I mean, why bother with defensive forms
>or util forms that have danger sense, when you can just
>minor in air, and have a form that sees everyone for 12
>minutes at a time? I would not necessarilly say remove them
>from the game, perhaps change their rarity and make them
>major type forms?

I think one of the reasons Vazanir was so strong is that he had TWO great forms together, not just one. He happened to get a good combo. Sometimes that can happen. It would be like if Viornsra had gotten an owl form. And she was also deadly enough. I played an assassin a while back named Jiijjustan. He was non-cabaled, and his pk ratio sucked, but one thing I am proud of is I never died to flyto forms... Because they are so easy to get away from if you just keep your head on straight. You can dust/dirt and they are screwed. Of course, with Vazanir, you might be dead before you could do one of those and flee... I guess what I would just suggest is to look at him like more of a 'shapeshifter lich'. Once in a while, there are going to be shapeshifters that have two good forms, and therefore are seemingly unstoppable.